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Uncle has always got on my nerves, ever since he abandoned redhead to sleep with someone else. Anyway, he keeps using the excuse that he’s an adult and the kid is not. How many years more will he keep using that excuse? Sigh

Exactly... and he's the one like a kid. Maybe he's afraid of falling in love or sth but then he shouldn't give hope to him, since everybody can see that the kid is serious about him

Authors usually depict them as disgusting perverts so it was weird

I love your comments

this theory. is. EVERYTHING.
tbh I don't know how plausible it is, as I feel like the author would have left some obvious easter eggs.
but it's the plot twist we all deserve.
though still fine with Nakyum being an innocent bunny.

I got goosebumps. Good theory.

This literally gave me a shiver down my spine.

Sorry, clicked wrong :/

I have to disagree on one thing. BNK is introduced as an innocent young man hence he was not able to discern In Hun's selfishness, jealousy and hypocrisy.
On the other hand, the hired killer could be someone working for SH, as the man who mentioned him, met SH earlier.

I'm glad nobody(I hope) is laughing at my crazy theory lol

I'm not saying NK is a bad or fake character, he indeed is innocent, just that something is fishy about him... like we don't know everything. I feel like him saying he won't ever paint sodomy has something more to it than just doing as that shitty learned b!tch told him. Maybe it's about his psyche?

No, I have to disagree with you. First BNK is someone who has high regard for educated people. Secondly, In Hun shows good manners on the surface hence BNK felt that In Hun was a good person. So he fell in love with him as he was first treated nicely by In Hun, until the latter realized that BNK was more successful than him. Don't forget that BNK was able to publish many books with his paintings which means he could earn money. Besides, his books became popular among the nobility that's how Seungho noticed his works. Imagine, our learned sir is a noble, yet he has no recognition, while a low-born like BNK could earn much money and even get a reputation. In Hun started hitting him and telling him that these paintings were terrible. He forced him to stop painting as he was terribly jealous.

I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT

Okay but that's not what I'm talking about at all

I like your comment but it was truly Jihwa imagination. If you look at Seungho hairband it was different of the one he was wearing at the beginning when we saw him, so it seems that Jihwa didn't actually saw them properly, he must had hear them. But yeah the theory that Nakyum isn't that innocent and pure I totally worth for it but I don't think he could (this soon anyway) make this kind of expression, even in chapter 18 when he was drunk and thinking that he was making love with Inhun he didn't act this shamelessly. Let's see ^^

Wow you are right, I didn't notice that hairband! Well even I can't believe it's true because that smile totally doesn't fit our Nakyum but if I have something on my mind I can't let it go lol
But it is a very good point that he might have only heard it, without seeing them

Thank you for the warning! Now I know what not to waste my time reading. (●'◡'●)ﾉ

No problem! I wish someone warned me too...

Now I am interested

Really? I read the whole 3 chapters and then read this? Is the hour worth of reading it a joke? Why did this happen to me... how is it threesome? Is some boi gonna appear or is it a girl or smt im hella confused

nvm I read the raws im outta here im done

a threesome with a girl? or all boys??

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I'm not sure but it seems that the uke agreed to do porn with the seme but it is threesome... with another boy. Outside of porn that boy will also finger (?) the uke, I'm not sure if he also put it in him because then the seme comes and fucks him instead...

ok at least its not a girl

bUT damn ;w;

Well, it's not really threesome since they're doing this for a film purpose...Don't induce people in error, this story is very sweet ( bought most of them a long time ago) I highly recommend this manga, it's a cute love story.

Threesome is threesome, what's there to add lol if somebody doesn't like reading stories where there are threesome intercourses then it is better to warn them since many may think (like me) that it is just a sweet story with two of them when it's not

Well story is in porn industry what did you expect lol

A warning that it contains threesome lol what's not clicking

How’d it end tho? like did the two end up together or did it just end with the three of em?

Just two of them, that boy was only to spicy up the things I guess

You kind of play down the pain, even physical one of the victims of the past.
These people still felt pain and had emotions.
Also we don't know much about NK's past but he was rather innocent one so I wouldn't say he was accustomed to this brutality.
Also not every lowborn had contact with higher class. Beside poverty, many of them,at least men didn't face rape or beating in their life.
I am no expert on Korean history... So maybe you can enlighten me in that matter: was "rape" on young boys something common on daily basic in Joseon Dynasty?

Rape in general was. During the time of nobles and kings people with power did whatever the hell they wanted. Killed you for looking at them too long. Killing on a whim was normal and so was rape. They often told their servants to accept it because they were below them. While it’s not generally talked about raping young men was also fairly common. One of korea’s most common punishments was to wrap up the head of the household or a first born son in a mat and beat them to death with a cane. They didn’t the mat thing so their “inferior” blood wouldn’t get everywhere. I don’t know if that was the answer you were looking for but even if NK grew up fairly normal childhood he still would have seen things and heard things from others.

Oh can you recommend some works? Because I couldn't find anything good tbh about said matter.
But still hearing about something or seeing from far away... doesn't make you complete immune.
It's not like these people have different nervous system than ours. They still felt pain, and yeah after being beated or raped several times your tolerance gets better but still it has its impact on someone's mind.
We can read about something similar to depression already in Antiquity for example.

Where did I play down his feeling? I don't think anyone would ever be happy or even indifferent about rape or beating. What I'm trying to say he wouldn't cry over it for long or even keep it in mind that "that day he punched me in the face, poor me". That was something common not only in Korean but any history. It's exactly as AichiS said. Those with power treated lowborns like shit and they could do anything to them because nobody would dare to stand in their way. And yes, men were also raped, especially those pretty boys. And the only thing they could do was cry alone and get over it because nobody would fight for their rights. That's so cruel but it was the reality

The point is, morally it wasn’t considered as wrong or bad. Morals evolve and change with time and morals decide what is right and wrong so Seungho wasn’t particularly evil. The only thing people frowned upon was his frivolous lifestyle and the sodomy.

He liked Yoon tho. Physically, even before the rape thing.

But we are talking about falling in love with someone who nearly caused you death and kept you against your will plus "rape"... Falling for him even in the past still seems rather unrealistic?

But... I'm not talking about Seungho right now but about Nakyum's feelings and pain?

And as I said it looks like NK lived in rather peaceful way before... So it still should be rather traumatic experience. Even if he heard about such things...

As I said I don't think he's in love with him, at least not now. It's his body that is reacting. You know, it's hard to explain because it just sounds terrible and my english is poor... But if it was a girl in Nakyum's place I don't think anybody would even look down on Seungho as they do now because he plays around with boys. It would be something "normal". Nakyum is scared, nobody wants to feel pain, but he's not making a big deal out of it. At some point it becomes clear to him that he has to deal with it. It's a if he saw Seungho killing somebody. I bet he would be scared for a while but then he would forget because it was something "normal". And that wouldn't stop him from falling for him if he changed. Man, I feel bad writing it but it probably was the same with rape. That's why historical stories are so hard to read because something unbelievable for us, was something people had to deal with every day. I see those small changes in Seungho's behaviour and I won't be surprised if Nakyum really falls for him at some point if they get to know each other better. Seungho is a total scum, I want to chop his neck for what he did but in the story he is just a normal lord whose biggest sin was openly playing around with men..

Tbh it doesn't make any difference to me if it was man or woman. I still don't think getting used to something makes you forget.... Especially if it was long term, several abuse which nearly caused death...and a lot of pain. It will always be there in your subconscious. It's definitely not healthy, physiological mechanism. More of adaption one, defence mechanism, where your mind try to adjust to current circumstances.

You still don't get the point. Their mentality and morals were so much different than ours and in the story you can clearly see that. Try watching some historical documents about that case if you are ready (because for someone who is unaccustomed to those matters it can be a shock )

Be more concrete. Which titles. Now it looks like you are just trying to get rid of me with some vague post. Our brains anatomically aren't different. Such experiences sill had impact on your limbic structures.
What have morals with enduring PHYSICAL PAIN, causing near death experience and rape especially to someone so innocent. For me it's nothing more than copy mechanism, which would be considered as pathological under such circumstances.

I'm from Europe and watched many European documents and didn't see one portraying romantic relationship between noble and servant...where servant (male!servant) would fall for the noble after several abuse.
But I always prefered natural science.... So maybe that's it.

Also I think this discussion is pointless. We have different view. We agree to disagree.
But I still hope NK won't fall for SH.

Ugh I'm just saying you should see it with your eyes or hear it with your ears because you clearly don't even want to understand what I'm telling you. Would you kill a human? I suppose no. In the past? Yes, they would even tho our brains are no different. Would you feel bad after killing a human? Probably yes. Even get a trauma. In the past?
They wouldn't even care to know who they were. No regret. Maybe a lowborn would feel some regret or fear that someone might find out. You see someone being raped? You try to help, call the police, the rapist probably will be stigmatised and imprisoned. In the past? Who cares? Shit happens, dont bother or else you're going to loose your head. Your parent beats your ass to death? You call the police and hate the parents. In the past? They would still treat those parents with respect and cope with it because a bigger sin was to go against them. I'm not trying to get rid of you. I just dont see any better way to explain it to you. Search it up in the net, I'm sure you'll find it the way I did

No I don't agree. People still rebelled. Nakyum tried to run away. You try to simplify things. Abuse cause changes in brain. Now and THEN. Sorry to break it to you.
Think about all big revolutions.
We are not talking about actions but feelings.
You think they didn't keep grudge to these patents? Most of them would have rid of said parents as soon as they could. For most it was because of powerlessness. Powerlessness was the problem, not some rules created then.
We are talking about two different things. I'm talking about hidden emotions. There were cases were slaved killed their master. Why? In your logic it wouldn't make bigger sense.

First that came to my mind - emperor Hadrian and Antinous. From Europe. We cant say whether there was abuse but I dont want to believe that around 12 years old boy wanted to have sex with an adult man. Now you would call it a pedophilia. And yes, they fell in love. Is it normal? Hell no. But in the past it was

Yeah with child it's more believable than with adult man like NK. He got attached to this man, literally grew up with him. There are many cases were abused children "fell for their abusers and are together with them even years later... But it wouldn't be considered as love my nowadays science, would it be?

You know...child grooming.

sorry but i feel like butting in. hidden emotions, ok. yeah people rebelled. but a large part of every society no matter the era is conditioned to follow said society's rules. physical pain can lead to hate, depression etc. but what's important is keeping in mind that what we reffer to as 'abuse' today (rape, being beaten by your master) was not the same thing in the past, it was just how life went. (there is an exact sociological term for this which i can't remember right now, but it is also the reason african slaves remained unrebellious for a long time). even today there are cultures which for example practice unconsensual body mutialtion, which leaves severly less damage on the mental state of people living in those culture, than it would if it happened to someone living in modern western culture. so what cygnus is saying is perfectly sensible. NK is hurt, but we are probably much more appaled at Seungho than he is. therefore developing positive emotions for Seungho (even though I don't think that has happened at this point) is much more likely. :)

If you dont agree then what's your point, man... You clearly dont understand the story and the history in general but that's not my job to teach you about this. Sorry to break it to you. Obviously there are hidden feelings but as it states - they are hidden. No one cares about them since life was cruel and they had more important matters to care about. Nakyum hated Seungho but it doesn't change the fact that he has to deal with him and act as if nothing happened. But it doesn't mean he cant fall in love with him, even thought it would take some time. Now as you said, the talk is pointless so I just wish you a goodnight and a good lesson about history

For me the whole scenery is just an excuse for typical, boring from rape to love trope ;)

even a shitty trope like that can be complex and intresting to read without being romanticised. if it bores you dont read it. ok?

You got me some completely random example from history which matched out cases....only in aspect it was in past and there were two men involved.and it was in past.
- NK and the guy have are in different age which is important
- nowhere was said that the guy was beated or nearly killed... Like Nk

But NK isn't even a slave...and it looks like he was raised in peaceful environment so he most likely only heard about such things. So he SHOULDN'T be so immune. It should leave some impact on him. I don't see reason why he would fall for men who nearly cause his death,took his freedom, beated him and raped him.

OMFG. I understand history perfectly with all rules, mentality etc but I don't agree that when someone had peaceful life and it was suddenly taken by some persons and that person beated himz raped him and nearly killed him...and he would fall in love. For me it would be just copying mechanism. And I won't change my mind. It's cliché and unrealistic to me.

if you live in a society you are conditioned, he is a lowborn in a society that treats lowborns not good. i cannot explain this in a more simpler manner so I'm not responding anymore. sorry and byee :)

I love all of your patronising tone. I understand he was lowborn. But lowborn still had more rights than slave. But forget about this aspect.

It was shown he lived peacefully and everything was taken from here...but he will fal for someone who caused him all this pain. Because... He is just a lowborn and he already accepted that. Even nearly dying. But he will fall for SH... Because he is handsome... And they have good sex. Ok

And tbh Nakyum's especially doesn't live according to say rules. He tried to run away... He didn't want to have sex with SH. He was fighting him non stop only stopped because of his beloved teacher.

First of all, all people tagging NK as “innocent” or “impeccable” is stupid, it has been clearly shown in the story that NK is not mentally OK. He’s a sexual repressive, who was also physically and mentally mistreated by Sir Inhun, that consequently, NK is in love with him. Sir IH aggressions might not have looked as severe as Seunho’s, but the degree of severe doesn’t matter, at the end, both have mistreated him. Now with all this said, it would make sense that someone as NK would fall in love with SH, although he tried to denied in this chapter, blaming it on the medicinal infusions. This times were so old, and people had so stupid beliefs, but that’s how it was, why do u think there’s people still getting beating up but hiding it’s aggressions and the aggressor? Why do u think people followed Hitler?
This story takes place centuries ago, society at those times didn’t think as we do now days.
Most importantly, wouldn’t you think this would be romanticized? Not saying because that’s how every story works, but you can scroll through the comments and see for yourself that no one is looking for moralistic-fable-story, if you don’t like what ur reading because u consider it below ur expectations, you can always stop reading.

People followed Hitler (mostly farmers and middle class) because of the poor economical state of Germany after 1 world war? That was the main reason...

Not yet

*crying in the corner*