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As someone who ever experienced both relationship like Haesoo (with Joowon or Taku), I'll give my 2 cents. You can come at me if you want, it's intrigued me xD.

I've ever been in relationship with this guy. Not exactly relationship, because we never started it. But we did exactly like Joowon and Haesoo (although he's not my step-brother). We fooled around, we loved each other but never said it seriously, we emotionally hurted each other, we intentionally made each other jealous and enjoyed the satisfaction of getting little affection though jealousy FOR 11 years. He had several flings and me too, but we came back to each other. Though I felt sore when he held another women, he always treated me above them all, and I loved that. He thought that I'D ALWAYS COME back to him, and I thought so too. I could understand how exactly Haesoo felt, that "always coming back" thing was haunting as hell.

I always thought that what we had was love. He's my first love and I'm his, and I gave everything to him without tracing anything left. I'd always wanted to move out for that vicious circle, BUT IT WAS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO. I learned to love myself then and I let go of him. When Haesoo said that he didn't love Joowon enough to get through this, altho he might think he lied, but it contained truth a lot. I thought I will never be able to love again, but I CAN. Now, I have moved on from him for almost 3 years, though I'm still unable to get into new relationship.

So I'm very relieved for both Joowon and Haesoo in chapter 57. They were so brave to move out from their relationship (especially Haesoo), even tho it was super hard for them.

I don't know, I like both Haesoo and Jowoon individually, but I still felt unease if they'll come back together. The half of me think "In their scenario, they are meant to be. They're afraid to love because their circumtances. They should try and overcome their fear and love eo properly" but half of me feel like I don't want them to come back to that relationship (like I would never come back to my "ex"), they can still be brothers and love each other (like I'm still friend with my "ex").

Seriously being alone with myself for the moment is the best decision I made. And Haesoo should take his time a lot too.

Heyo, regarding “bastard” and “slut” (Ch13)— since they’re commonly used curses, it’s probably a little ..? to see the MCs reacting so viscerally to them. But remember that the curses are translations. The curse words were a lot more pointed in Korean.

Blondie called the son a “서자새끼.” This word goes way back to ye olden days, when titles and nobility were a thing. “서자” refers to the child of a noble x prostitute (/unofficial side chick). In context, blondie’s making fun of the son for being the offspring of the prestigious professor and some random woman who’s not even his wife. And this hits hard because the son is using his father’s prestige right now (!!) despite being a bastard child who hates his father. From blondie’s POV, he probably wanted to deliver something like, “Spill it, you arrogant POS, don’t act better than me, all you do is ride on your daddy’s coattails anyways.” Also, keep in mind that from the son’s POV, this is literally what he just punched the dude in the bathroom for... lolol. Double KO.

The son called blondie a “남창새끼.” “남창” refers to “male prostitute,” but it generally has a worse connotation than “prostitute” since it’s shameful for a man to take on a female’s role. And keep in mind that with Korea’s homophobia, even just “호모새끼” (homosexual bitch) is a pretty loaded curse. In context, this hits hard for blondie since 1) he hasn’t come out, 2) he’s been gang raped (and now someone is implying he’d sleep with any guy around the corner), and 3) the professor lowkey treats him like a side chick. From the son’s POV, he probably didn’t realize how hard this insult would hit. He probably just said it out of frustration, i.e., “I can’t believe you sleep with my dad of all people, you dirty bitch. I know you do and I’m going to hold it against you (even though I’m probably pissed off because you turn me on and I’m the one who’s actually weak to temptation)!” Which is why he apologizes pretty soon afterwards, lol.

What I like is that Haesoos narrations do not always match with the truth. This shows us how dark and depressed his view became and how much he must have lied to himself to be able to breath or be able to live with a situation

Hmm, maybe whenever your relationship turned into occasional, infrequent meet ups for half-assed angry sex, before, during and after which you acting like a complete and total douchebag. But that must've happened before the story started because that was literally every single scene between the two of them.

I know, I know people will hate me but just gotta say this as well.
Taku my boi ain't mature enough to truly understand Haesoo's current situation. It's not something that he can fix with a snap of a finger. He ain't no saint. He also needs to know love ya know? And perhaps, when Haesoo can love himself in turn maybe, juuuuust maybe he can also teach that to Taku my boi. Now for Jowoon, I really do prefer them separated because it's just too toxic since it deeply involves their both respective parents. He needs to find happiness but it's not Haesoo. Peace out!

Taku knew that HS was in some kinda rls with JW at the time yet he still forced himself in between them and proceeded to act smug abt it. It’s really irritating. Doesn’t he have any conscience? It would’ve been better if he hadn’t touched Haesoo and waited until things were settled between the two. And if Haesoo rlly wanted to start afresh, he could’ve just told Joowon the truth. If he really wanted to be freed from their relationship, he could’ve just been honest abt his feelings. That was not proper closure at all. Clearly, Haesoo still hopes for Joowon to chase after him. And have Taku as a spare if things doesn’t work between him and Joowon. Tbh, I’d be more satisfied if Joowon dies in the comic or if he disappears permanently, if the author doesn’t plan on giving him a character development. The author seem to like seeing Joowon destroy himself. Make up your mind, Haesoo, for fuck’s sake! Pick a dude and stop thinking of another dude. The end.

Wow the choice is rather hard.
One relationship lasted over 10 years and didn't move one bit. They were both toxic to each other and loved each other too much but didn't do anything in that matter.
And the other one with have the guy who wanted to observe some little,sick project of his. Play some strange game and observe two brothers as nothing more than lab mouses but meanwhile caught feelings and now he wants to build healthy relationship.
To be honest both options don't sound appealing to me.

Yall forgetting that haesoo purposely made joowon jealous in the past bcs he loved it. He loved the attention he got from joowon he wanted joowon to want him so badly so he made joowon jealous everytime he hangs out with others. And obviously thats why joowon is the way he is bcs of haesoo. The jealous joowon we see now yeah thats haesoo's doing. Haesoo wanted joowon to get jealous everytime and make him his first priority why are yall hating on joowon now that he is asking the same from haesoo? Joowon wants to be respected and not lied to. Haesoo is not innocent and he's definitely not the victim in this manhwa.

i feel like a lot of people don’t like joowon & maybe it’s because they don’t wish to understand his character. But everyone thinks taku is mysterious but no one stops to think that we don’t really know joowon at all either, a lot of the readers just want to have an antagonist and they pin everything in Joowon, they don’t give his character much benefit.

If people actually bothered to see past this “exterior” Joowon puts up they’d realise that actually Joowon has always been infatuated with Haesoo, ever since their first interaction. But h+J were forced to get away from each other, they were teenagers scared of the consequences and of fighting back so they gave up. I feel like everyone tends to forgets that joowon, too was young+afraid of the consequences which was why in the heat of the moment he said “don’t fall for me because i won’t fall for you” to Haesoo. He said this to protect H from possibly destroying his relationship with his mom- i mean who knows best what it feels like to have no motherly figure in their life ? Joowon does. Whilst in his heart J knew he loved him but he was afraid to pursue anything.

i feel like Haesoo doesn’t even try to understand Joowon because he's stuck in his feelings of hurt and heartbreak so he cant see beyond that, he doesn’t know how his mother constantly threatens Joowon, he doesn’t know just how lonely J really is. Take a minute to think who does Joowon really have ? His dad; yeah well it doesn’t seem he cares much about J if Haesoo’s mum had to tell him they’re thinking of getting back together. Haesoo’s mom? even though he calls her mom, we all know she dislikes him and that little boy inside him is yearning for a mother’s love which is why he keeps insistently calling her "mom". His manager? who makes profit off of him ? does he have any friends ? not really. Min kyuri ? his co worker/ noona who he's only doing his job with. Lastly Haesoo ? who’s already showing signs of giving up and moving on.

Then we have Taku whos shown as innocent, persistent, someone who knows the right words and actions to use when he's with Haesoo, i mean he said so himself. Let's not forget Taku already knew things about Haesoo before Haesoo knew of him, which has defo got elements of power imbalance. Those are things to think about but everyone overlooks. Im not saying taku is bad, because god knows hes not. Just some thoughts.
What are your thoughts/ opinions ?

I'm so sad sad for Joowon with all my heart.
He never had anyone by his side since day one.
And the only person he loves now already moving on without explaining him a little shit.
But I really respect Haeso decision :)
He deserves a peace:))

up until this chapter, i still seeing Joowon as the most pitiful guy and the one i should caring about cuz he is just so.. Lonely.
With his double life.

And how I see Taku can get everything he wanted when Joowon just could holding back and still... Ppl around him just say to him to stop being immature and stay away from what he wanted which is means Haeso.

what Taku do with Haeso now literally was the things Joowon did from the past.
Holding hands, kiss and have sex, come to 'nurse' Haeso...
Meanwhile Joowon got a slapped for proctecting Haeso etc ppl still called him an asshole :) while Taku all accepted with all pleasure and got all the sweet thing supported.

Taku playing manipulated games mind. You couldnt see it if reading him in the surface level. You know how? Haeso always hesitated and contradict himself yet he always agree with whatever Taku said in the end.
Taku can got everything he wanted with Haeso with his gentle character and 'easy situations' :)
Then Joowon? :)

If this ended up with TxH, it would be the Most Not satisfying ending for me, cause the messages could just it wrong from the started, and even you look at how much HaesoxJoowon been in love, they still couldnt be together cause of the circumstance.... i should called it with a poor story moving on then :)

It always been Joowon wrong from the started, it always been Haeso being so hurt, It always been Taku got his thing so smoothly and easily :)

Then Joowon should just got his lil redempt with his emotions? Hm i don't think so.
He will get the best ending!
For me Haeso doesn't deserves J at all,
And Taku doesn't deserves Haeso. But yeah these two actually the same. So do whatever they do maybe.
Since both so selfish so they matched:)

I just find one thing funny. How everyone cries: poor Taku, don't break his heart etc. And when they talk about Joowon they're like: oh he will move on. Maybe author will pair him up with pretty actress.
And I'm like for real? Yeah Taku has some strong feelings for Haesoo but how can you even start comparing his broken heart to Joowon's? He knew Haesoo for how long? Weeks? Months? Joowon was in love with Haesoo for decade. It looks like he didn't love ANYONE beside Haesoo. You have to remember that Haesoo was not only his lover but also someone who always supported him, who helped him get over his bad, depressed times, he was his friend. It looks like he was his ONLY friend. We didn't see Joowon hanging out with anyone. Taking advice from anyone. It was always Haesoo, Haesoo and once again Haesoo. Is it healthy? It's not.
But I don't get how people talk lightly about Joowon's moving on and broken heart but act as if Taku's would be end of the world.

Taekhyung is already laying the foundation of a very unhealthy relationship by telling haesoo to use him and that he can pretend to love him. Haesoo is already very dependant on Joowon (You remember how he never objected to his order in the restaurant? or how influenced he was by him during their school days? or how Joowon kept telling him he can't live without him?) and he was always aware of it but he never tried to change it. Now though, Haesoo wants to be more self reliant and independent. He has low self esteem and is used to having decisions made for him but he's doing his best, and that's why I'm cheering him on. I don't want him to be with anyone rn, I just want to take some time off, travel, go away, leave everything behind and focus on himself. Go Haesoo baby, you can do it! Find you self-worth!

But first loves are just that. First loves. Humans are meant to grow from experience. Yes Henry has loved Sam for a while now but I feel like this has become a thing where they got so used to being attached to one another that they suddenly couldn't learn how to live without. I feel that's why Sam started to panic when Henry started seeing someone in general. I'm positive it wouldn't even have to be Seth either. Sam seems to have some possible seperation anxiety, and Henry does as well. Henry also seems like he's not been able to let go of his first love possibly because his first love was the only person he was close with that truly loved him for himself. I feel like what Henry truly needs to do is take care of himself first and foremost. Not completely dump Sam and Seth and abandon them or anything, but just let himself take a step back and breath. You can still be friends with someone who was your first love, you just need to set that boundary that keeps you from trying to romanticize your friendship. All I really want from the ending is for Henry to realise that he can still give love to others without the heart ache of wanting something else out of a relationship. He can pour his attention instead into loving himself, and growing to be a better person, to know that just because you are alone in status it doesn't mean you are alone without people who love and adore you.
I'm sorry for the long read, reading this Manhwa really gave me a huge amount of anxiety, and surprisingly, I found myself just wanting Henry to be happy all on his own.

In all honesty, all of them need to take a step back from each other. Joowon needs to figure out who he is outside of this toxic 'relationship'. Like throw himself into work or just distract himself, because his situation with Haesoo is unhealthy mentally and emotionally for both of them. Joowon shows clear signs of being a mental/emotional abuser, but at the same time may also have some other repressed problems that have caused him to get this way over the years, and this 'relationship' literally did not aide in the development of his mental state. Although I feel the same could be said for Haesoo, I feel more so he needs to learn to love and value himself. Because of being in this type of bad 'relationship' from a young age, trying to emulate that person, and always having them as a through-line in your life while you're trying to grow up/experience new things and relationships you are bound to not know yourself. Also, he has anxiety, bad familial bonds, and a complex about his visuals so now's the time to take a step away from everyone and everything and learn to love yourself. You can't love others or even express an emotional connection if you don't even know yourself and your emotions well enough. And, as for Taekyung...I seriously think the nod earlier in the series about his professor telling him to separate art from reality is good advice, because all I am seeing from him is an intrigue and almost obsession with Haesoo because he interests him artistically. His 'love' for Haesoo came so suddenly & he has a history of pursuing relationships with his subjects. There are signs that he is developing real feelings, but I am just truly interested in how those feelings will develop or dissolve after the exhibition closes. How sincere are his feelings? Honestly, these are all broken people that can't even fix themselves, so IDK why they keep trying to find solace in each other. I love a story that has me question the deeper connections between its characters.

this is about to be a long post.
also i’m not trying to come for haesoo x taekyung shippers, this is just my opinion. so i’ve been rereading love or hate and i realized that haesoo has a problem. he’s constantly putting himself into unhealthy relationships or making the relationship unhealthy. and in last week’s chapter it was shown that taekyung basically does the same thing. haesoo and taekyung are both feeding off of each other’s insecurities. haesoo just needs someone to be there whenever he’s sad and lonely, so taekyung takes advantage of that by being the person who there’s. and it became evident that he wasn’t solely being there for haesoo because he wanted to make haesoo feel better, but because he wanted to feel needed.
it seems like in haesoo’s mind—he has painted a really negative image of joowoon. when haesoo said he didn’t love joowoon i’m 100% sure both of them knew he was lying. obviously he loved him, and he still does—even taekyung realizes that, but their relationship is just complicated. he’s only pushing joowoon away because of his mom. and i feel like his mom’s disgust is only partially due to the fact that they were stepbrothers and mostly due to the fact that they are both men. so regardless of whoever haesoo wants to be with for the rest of his life, his mom will be upset and disgusted because it will be a man since haesoo is gay. joowoon obviously really cares about haesoo—(1) he’s loyal to him, and we haven’t had any reasons to believe that he sees anyone other than haesoo; (2) whenever he has free time, he wants to spend it with haesoo; (3) he’d literally do anything for him i feel like haesoo magnifies all the negative aspects of their relationship or just makes things up—for example when he claims joowoon is never there when he needs him. obviously joowoon is busy af, he’s an actor!!! so of course he can’t always be there. so haesoo feels the need to fill the void with other men, taekyung being current man. the reason taekyung is so different from all the other guys he has seen in the past is because he literally does whatever to please haesoo.
as we saw in taekyung’s past relationship, his boyfriend was upset because he would just do whatever he asked and never do anything on his own. that’s exactly what haesoo wants out of taekyung and that aspect of haesoo is what taekyung wants. so now haesoo has completely shattered joowoon’s heart because of the difficult situation rather than his lack of feelings for him—and is going to taekyung because he thinks it’s easier to be with him because of the lack of circumstances.

Any "love" that makes you miserable and hate yourself is not love at all. Sure, love has it's up and down. And true love is never easy. But true love will not make you miserable. It may hurt but always deep down you know that love is worth fighting for. True love will always equate to happiness. That's just it. In black and white.

When Haesoo said his love for Jowoon is not enough there must have been an ounce--no, a
kilo-- of truth in his words. Yes, he loves Jowoon but not enough to defy those around him. Not enough to make him stop hating himself.

My take is they found each other when they wore both feeling lonely. But they were seeking two different things. Jowoon must have been looking for a lover hence his insistence on a relationship that he might never sustain. Haesoo could have been looking for a brother/family but somewhere along the road he what longed for got mixed up.

Love is never meant to make you hate yourself and feel insecure. Love is meant to be a safe place. What they have? I don't even want none of that.

Okay, so theory time. I think ultimately this story is about three people, and how thier interactions with one another challenge thier personal beliefs about themselves and love.

Haesoo is passive.
Joowon is insecure.
Taekyung is frivolous.

Haesoo has very little self belief. We see this through his opinion about his own writing and what he believes to be a lack of talent. He stays away from meaningful relationships. He has perhaps even grown bitter of romance because of his relationship with Joowon. This relationship’s dynamic has remained in tact since the beginning. It’s antagonistic and there is always the assumption that he’ll go back to Joowon. That he is responsible for him and that they’ll engage in sex even when it’s not Haesoo’s call. (Like it or not the brothers connection is a power dynamic that it think is relevant)

Taekyung’s significance in this story means Haesoo can create a meaningful connection outside of Jowoon. It’s not a question if it’s better but It’s a different kind of relationship. And I think that’s what is important for Haesoo to experience. Hopefully he’ll learn to speak his truth and stand by it.

Joowon is insecure. It explains his aggressiveness, his territorial tendencies and his jealously. The insecurity stems from thier time as kids and making the decision that what they have is purely physical (even though he was lying). As an actor we see perhaps he has an emotional immaturity as seen through his talk with the female actress. I think this is also show by that very self satisfying knowledge that Haesoo will come back to him. When this is challenged, he acts out because he knows they could have been strengthening thier relationship but instead has relied on a thier history and his family connection. He needs to take responsibility for his actions and learn to be a better partner. That love requires a bit of humility.

Taekyung’s attitudes surrounding relationships are casual and flippant. He describes them as lollies, sweet and enjoyable when consumed but will dissolve. I think that rather than mysterious and secretive I see him
as unconcerned of the consequences. He likes sex but accepts a no, likes beautiful things, will move counties for work, will say if he likes someone, will do porn with his boyfriend if asked. As a photographer, (capturing the moment) he pursues the work he wants but is also able to conform to a brief. He has no qualms.
Haesoo’s introduction to his life I think challenges this behaviour. His interest is piqued and he feels compelled to stay. Feels attached. To find out what that means for him I think is atypical for him.

I don’t know how this will end but I hope that these challenges are what this work is about. For me anyway. Who ends up with who depends on which characters grow and learn from their past. I think that will be the most satisfying outcome.

- but it shows that some of you clearly never have been in love? I didn‘t rlly care who Henry ends up with, but the author decided for Sam and I think it was clear from the very beginning that it would be him.
Love just happens. You CANNOT decide who you fall for. If one could, Seth would long ago have chosen someone different, but he couldn‘t.

Sam always loved Henry - he just never realised it because he had no reason to. It was said that he married a friend just because she asked - because he didn‘t think much of it. He never loved her THAT way. He always saw it in a friendship kind of way. I KNOW it doesn‘t make sense - that is why it is stated that his ex-wife never understood herself, that is why they had a DIVORCE.
+ Henry decided to distance himself because he guilt tripped himself for the accident. And that Henry has always loved Sam is no mystery to us either.

Henry never loved Seth romantically - he loved the FEELINGS Seth gave him. Feelings he wished for since Highschool, feelings of being loved, appreciated and cared for like a lover that he always wanted to feel from Sam but never got. He used Seth as a coping mechanism in some kind of way. Ofc that is n o t good, nor reasonable, but if you‘re lovesick or even heartbroken and someone cares for you and makes you feel loved again you think you love the person too, when you actually just love their actions. It‘s NOT clever or fair at all(!) but Henry just depicts a human. And we humans just don‘t make sense

I‘m just glad Seth was kind to himself to let Henry go because he knew it wasn‘t healthy for him. I‘m glad he took care of himself. But the point where he said that he doesn‘t care if he‘s just a replacement for Sam, that was the point where everyone should have realised that he didn‘t have a chance.

Wistful Summer kept us all for over 60 chapters because it‘s so real - psychologically seen even are the three characters so realistic. (Almost) every action makes sense to me. So we should just all be happy with the author‘s decisions (it was planned from the very beginning after all?) and should stop hating on each other (づ￣ ³￣)づ

i absolutely have nothing else to say but FUCK.