
the people in this comment section are HELLA DUMB. did you guys even read the story?? im not excusing mil but to his defense, IF HE DOESNT kill linden then he and his family will DIE from linden's grudge. so him having no choice but to kill linden is fcking understandable. it can also be seen BY ANYONE WHO HAS EYES that mil treasures his family despite the sin they have done AND that mil doesnt rlly want to go down the path of killing linden but for the sake of protecting his family, he must.
MIL. HAD. NO. CHOICE.
whats not clicking??? if you guys want to hate on someone, hate on mil's uncle for forcing the coup on mil and having zero balls to apologize tf??? leave mil alone

Oh don't justify his actions because you don't want to admit he's fucking up. I did read the story, and in it there's a conversation between Linden and Mil about how Linden will only kill the empress (Mil's mom) and his uncle as long as no one gets in his way. Meaning Mil and his 2 cousins aren't at risk unless they interfere. But they are his familyyyy, well Linden and their little sister, who ended up dead because of the coup, are family too. Mil has a choice, a choice between the innocents siblings who want justice and the treasonous criminals who want to get away with what they did. And he is choosing wrong, and he knows it, look at his hesitation, but doesn't have the balls to do what's right out of a misplaced sense of duty to those who helped to raise him. People being family doesn't mean you condone their actions no matter how heinous, that's enabling not love. Actions have consequences.

Then why are you so pressed about it? If both mil and linden are doing everything for their side of the story, SHOULDN'T YOU WHO ALSO HAVE EYES LIKE US see the wrong things mil has done and will do? IF YOU HAVE EYES then you must have seen the posts below your comment AND YOU CAN SEE that we all know mil had a choice and he chose the bad ending... SO BEING STUPID instead of just thinking things through, apologizing AND ASKING FOR A SECOND CHANCE, Mil decided to kill Linded... Now tell me whos more dumb?

I'm not unsympathetic to his situation, I genuinely like Mil, most of the fandom does, and being in the position to choose whether his mother (since his uncle is already dying) or brother dies is heartbreaking. But him protecting them at the risk of his own life, his brother's and potentially his cousins' just isn't right. He loves them, as he should, but continuing this path results in either death or never ending soul-crushing guilt over killing his brother and the fiancé of the girl he loves. He is setting himself on fire to keep his mother and uncle warm, and the reality is, they don't deserve it. They made up a scandal to deface the queen (? or imperial concubine, I'm not quite sure what position she held) that not only put said queen (?) and the imperial princess in prison under such conditions that suicide seemed like the only option to save themselves and the empire. Because they also put that at risk because the emperor was put into serious question for bringing the queen (?) to court. Had things gotten worse, he could have been deposed and Linden killed. Only the shock from the double-suicide calmed things down. That's treason, and they got away with it because their family owns the country's banking system. If not for corruption, they would have been executed back in the day. While Linden's obsession is a bit worrying should Elise not rein him in in the immediate future, it's delayed justice. So I have to disagree about Mil enabling them not putting him in the wrong, the understandable certainly, but in the wrong. And frankly I believe Mil is better than that, as well as deserves better than that.

I have to agree with this post. Didn’t want to bring it up because I know it will be an unpopular opinion BUT Mil choosing to side with his family is understandable. Even if Mil’s family were bad to other people, it doesn’t change the fact that they raised him, loved, and cared for him. We also need to remember the initial crime - they made up stories of Linden’s mother and sister. It was the mother herself that ended her life along with her own child. Although I believe the supporters deserve severe punishment since they drove the two to suicide, I don’t think it justifies a death sentence. Both Mil’s feelings of wanting to prevent mass killings and Linden’s feelings of wanting revenge are both valid and that’s why it’s a tragic situation for both to be in. However in order to stop the tragedy from occurring, Linden has to choose not to kill the aristocrat group and Mil can’t convince him to do that. Even though his group can apologise, well... we can see how that’s not an option. He is the one that is in least control of the situation so I don’t feel the hate should be directed at him.
Ok so we hate the aristocrat group, but let’s not forget every life is valuable which is in accordance to the message of this manhwa. Elise would save the lives of people, good or bad. There’s a reason why Mil is trying to prevent the deaths of many people despite their sins.

I don't think you're being sarcastic at all, just passionate. And if I had to explain why I think his choice is wrong, it's that the Childe's are his family but so are Linden and the dead princess (did she have a name ?). No matter what, his actions are going to loose him family (though I'm assuming Elise will make it all right because of the hints given but Mil doesn't know that), so it feels like he should defend the (so far, Linden is making me nervous) innocent ones. Not only because it would be fairer, could minimise risks to his cousins as he could insure they were spared, but also because the guilt probably wouldn't be as bad because the Childe adults have done something worth punishing while Linden hasn't (yet ?).
Also thanks ! While I'm from an average middle-class family, my grandmother is from an old, old family and she instills... decorum into her progeny with an iron fist. I've just never been able to get in the habit of using abbreviations and I compulsively re-read what I write to make sure it's looks good.

Just want to poke my head in here quickly to say how much I value these kinds of mature conversations. Yes, people can be explosive and passionate on both sides, but in the end I see a lot of respect and understanding. While I feel Mil is destroying beautiful relationships, putting his innocent family members and himself in danger to protect the guilty.......I understand a little more on why others feel the way they do. Sometimes it’s hard to see things from different perspectives. While I still can’t excuse Mil, I at least see more of what others are feeling than I did before.

No no Mil always have a choice, let put these stupid aristocrat and his uncle aside, Mil is the head of his family, and his mother son. The first thing he need to do is APOLOGIZE if he want to save his mother, apologize. Yes Lindel did said that he wont forgive Mil mother and will kill her, but can you blame Lindel for saying that, Mil and his mother have to apologize anyway. If my mother commit a crime, i would have beg and beg for her crime, even if the victim kill me in their rage. There is no understanding in protect a crime with another crime. "Protect your family" is not an excuse to commit a crime. What's wrong is wrong. I would rather die with my mother than allowing my family to sin even more. Plus, there is no sane person will turn away from a sincerely apology from the bottom of a heart. Lindel by no mean hating Mil, so if Mil was able to control his family and uncle, together with Lindel they could solve these problem with the aristocrat. Stop his uncle at all mean, not like his uncle would kill Mil anyway, since the uncle seems to care a lot for Mil's mother too, its just his method was wrong. Yes there is more complicate matters after that, but its not an excuse to not say sorry. Mil feel bad for Lindel, but he had never say anything how do you expect forgiveness if you don't even dare to say it. Lindel tried to face Mil by asking him to join his side, but has Mil ever said anything to Lindel, Lindel shoot him down once and Mil turn away from Lindel already. I am not blaming Mil, no I love Mil and pity him for being born in such family, and he can't run away from it. Mil always have a choice, it just he too afraid to even consider that Lindel never hate him.

you got the right, yes I stand on Linden's and yes you may be understand Mil better than me, and I may be lacking for not thinking things more from Mil POV, but is he truly had no choice. Because Mil had no choice, so he going along with his uncle, so understand that? Well I will just say that you took Mil side and I for Linden. But I have never said that it was right of Linden to murder people, in fact I did said I believe with ELise he wont become insane as a murder, tho it only my hope. And this story was written with Linden as the ML, of course I'm seeing things from Linden POV and I can relate to him better to Mil. What you said seem to also say that Mil was no wrong, he as guilty as anyone else, just as how Linden tryin to kill,Mil is going along other his uncle to kill Linden too,and that's is like a never ending circle here, and both side try to end it with murdering each other, I acknowledge that. Lindel is selfish but so is Mil. Mil knew his uncle and his people wrong doing,but has he fix it? Has he admit their wrong doing? In fact he going along with these people, you said Mil had nothing to apologize for, these are enough for him to apologize, there is no excuse for that. You said Mil had no choice, I just present you one, you said I'm taking it too lightly and that apologize is not gonna solve everything so then apologize is not needed? If it so easy, so obvious why not do it. I'm sorry I'm wrong but it seems like you think it ok for Mil to not apologize. Is Mil have nothing to do with his mother? He the one whom want Linden to not kill his mom, then isn't he gonna ask forgiveness in his mother's place? Just by asking" can you not kill my mother" is not enough for what had been done. Again, I will try to be clear and said it what's wrong is wrong, murder is a crime, that's is for both Linden and Mil and everyone else. Things are easy for third party, but aside from putting yourself into these people stead is there any other way to understand them better? I don't expect everyone to act like myself, but in my best way, I'm trying to giving out option these option are available and not impossible things to do, that is why I put it out "if it was me" and not "Mil you should be like this" Yes apologies not gonna solve everything that's why I said apologize FIRST! Then solve the problem! Am I too optimistic or are you skipping the proper procedure here?

well the only ass I'm trying to wipe is my mine, here. I never said Linden was innocent nor do I think it right and that his actions are justice but he deserves apologies from all the people whom had wrong him. And please don't misunderstand that I think an apology can be excused for innocent deaths, especially the loved one. You killEd my family, you need to apologize and be punish for that. Whether forgive or not that totally depends on the victim. I never said just an apology and you will automatically forgiven, never. Just because you know you won't forgiven so then an apologize is not needed thats too convenience is what I'm trying to say. Though I guess Mil understand that his mother crime are too much that feel ashamed to even say sorry, or that he doesn't deserve Linden forgiveness so Mil gave up on that. And yes I did read the part where Linden said he would kill Mill mother and uncle and even the aristocrat side. And then should Mil just take that and walk away from Linden? has he try to make Linden understand that Mil also suffer because Mil try to be the bridge between Mil family and Linden. Has he talk to make Linden understand Mil himself better? Mil doesn't talk to Linden, he suffering, and he need help, it not something he can solve by himself,he won't be able to save his family alone, then ask for help, scream for help, which is when I hope Elise would step in. if he just stay silent and goes along with things, no one even his uncle is not going to understand that Mil is suffering.

Your words... Are exactly the words of someone who has never lost someone before... You're the type of person who blames a girl for being raped just because of the way she dresses but we're not talking about rape, we're talking about murder...... I hope you'd know I'm not writing this long ass paragraphs to defend Linden just because he is the male lead.... How about you also take time to put yourself in Linden's shoes, think about why he needs to have his revenge... Okay if you wont do it, just think about it this way ... For example, I am someone you know and I killed your mother and sister, I drove them to be insane and kill themselves ... Are you telling me that you'll let me go, me who killed your mother and sister ? How naive ... TELL THAT TO THOSE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WHO HAVE LOST A LOVED ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN KILLED AND MURDERED, TELL THAT TO THEM ! It's normal to kill the person who killed your mother and sister, it might not be morally right but what can you do? The world isn't fair ... If you were Linden, can you really stand to see the one who killed your mother and sister , the one who drove them to their death everyday? Can you smile at them and act like nothing has happened? If I were him , no I wouldn't have been sane...
" linden is also going to kill his own family HIMSELF " ,then are you telling me killing Linden's mother and sister was okay? ISN'T MIL ALSO DOING IT? KILLING / BEHEADING HIS OWN FAMILY HIMSELF.. okay let's forget about this and let's say we agree with you with Mil killing Linden because he wants to protect his family ... what does it result in? What more hatred? More guilt?
YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND LINDEN BECAUSE YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND HIM, I already said this before incase you forgot , I'm not defending Linden because he's the male lead and I've already tried to put myself in Mil's shoes but I can't really understand his decision.
Mil hasn't lost a loved one before, he hasn't cried for a lost loved one either so how could Mil what Linden has suffered? Let me tell , Linden grew up without his mother and sister when they died , not like Mil who grew up with his mother until now ...Can you see the difference? Or you can't because you're blinded by Mil? Linden's revenge is his own way of saying sorry to his mother and sister whom he can't save before , he hopes that his revenge can atleast make Mil feel what Linden has felt before..
Revenge is wrong but if it is what will stop the nightmares and regret and guilt from coming and so be it.... How heartless of you ...

isn't that why we had been going back and forth to clarify many things from both sides.And I still think an apology would be necessary and proper punishment for his family causing the dead of Linden family ( and by proper punishment I didn't mean to Linden should kill them all) what made me feel worst is that you made it out like Im unable to feel the dead of my loved ones, and incapable of discern empty apology and sincerely apology. I don't take apology and thank you for granted, and don't make it seems light, it never been light for me. Ok, so Linden is having a difficult time to let go of his grudge, then come to Mil uncle, he knows, he knows everything and made his choice. To be honest the uncle came to such method, is it really only because Linden want to kill them so they only did it to survive? No them both are out for revenge here. So it not only Linden whom had difficult of letting go of grudge, so are the other side. So that's why it a never ending circle. I said I'm taking Linden but you also said you lean toward Mil, you understand both sides but you feel for Mil more. Taking what you said, so it understandable because Mil have to kill Linden to protect his family? Then what choice does Linden have when his family was driven to death? I'm taking Linden side because he did lost his family, while Mil still have his, by no means do I said that it better for Mil family to die. I'm taking side here, but I repeatedly said Linden is selfish but so does Mil, I also said by no means Linden is innocent, I read the story and choose Linden, how is it that from you it become me cleaning Linden's action? And you, you keep saying Mil is not at fault, to leave him alone, Mil said he going along with the plan to kill Linden. That's not fault? SO Mil has reason to kill because he doing it protect, so there's no fault? I'm not attacking Mil but you didn't seem fair with Linden either.

Bro you are toxic af and I had to jump in to say this just because of how frustrating it was to read this whole comment.
Literally the original post was about validating Mil’s feelings over the matter NOT taking sides. A lot of people here seem to not know the difference between DEFENDING a character and UNDERSTANDING them. OP mentions this several times but it’s like talking to a brick wall. No one is defending Mil, we’re simply trying to say that the feelings of him not wanting his family dead is relatable. By the way, just because one understand Mil‘s side, doesn’t mean they don’t understand Linden. It’s possible to agree with both of their decisions even if they have conflicting interests.
You say that Mil doesn’t understand what it feels like to lose a loved one. Like seriously did you read the story? HIS WHOLE FAMILY IS ABOUT TO BE KILLED AKA HIS LOVED ONES. That’s why he’s going so far to protect them! I get that we relate to Linden wanting revenge because his mother/sister died, but similarly there are those that relate to Mil not wanting his OWN family to die. Whether you would protect your own family’s lives despite the sins they committed is a choice that is different for everyone, but to say that the answer is to OBVIOUSLY let them be killed is seriously ignorant. To add to that, it’s not just the people that deserve it that will be affected. Linden made it clear that he will kill a anyone that interferes - that means the whole aristocrat group, including supporters who never meant to risk death just because they preferred the second prince. In fact, in the original timeline, even the daughter of the Childe house was killed, someone who had nothing to do with it.
To Mil, both sides are a lose-lose situation (either a sht ton of people die or his brother). He already decided he would be happier choosing to kill Linden instead of letting his family die, even if it makes Elise sad or hate him. But somehow a lot of people already decided for him that he should abandon his family because Linden and Elise are more important to him, hence he is making the wrong decision, hence he is dumb, which is not true (otherwise he wouldn’t be doing what he is doing now). They misunderstand his character which is why we’re having this discussion.

Gurl if I'm toxic as fk and toxic as fk I will be ...
" You say that Mil doesn’t understand what it feels like to lose a loved one. Like seriously did you read the story? HIS WHOLE FAMILY IS ABOUT TO BE KILLED AKA HIS LOVED ONES. " Can't you read what you have written? His whole family IS ABOUT TO BE KILLED! they're not dead yet! ..... How about Linden who's mother and sister were killed? And he had to grow up without them? Not even seeing his sister be happy and married to someone she likes! ...
" To Mil, both sides are a lose-lose situation (either a sht ton of people die or his brother). He already decided he would be happier choosing to kill Linden instead of letting his family die, even if it makes Elise sad or hate him. But somehow a lot of people already decided for him that he should abandon his family because Linden and Elise are more important to him, hence he is making the wrong decision, hence he is dumb, which is not true (otherwise he wouldn’t be doing what he is doing now). They misunderstand his character which is why we’re having this discussion. " I didn't say he should abandon his family and go choose Linden and Elise , why would he?
So what? LINDEN SHOULD JUST STOP GETTING HIS REVENGE , FORGIVE MIL AND COMPANY AND BE TIPPY TOPPY HAPPY? SEEING THE FAMILY THAT LEAD YOUR OWN MOTHER AND SISTER TO DEATH EVERYDAY? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SMILE AT THEM FROM THE HEART?
IT'S NOT AS IF I CAN'T UNDERSTAND MIL, IT'S JUST YOU'RE TOO KIND FOR HIM!

" unrelated but you are a person i srsly dont want to be associated with in real life. you assume things on your own and paint others the color you want them to be. idk if its involuntarily or not but you should take a step back and re evaluate yourself. this discussion was supposed to be OF THE STORY AND CHARACTERS ONLY. if you will continue to act this way then please stop interacting. "
" i rlly RLLY HATE people like you. "
" your comprehension to what i said is srsly piss poor. "
Have you ever read this to yourself? If I can't assume what person you are , then why should you assume what type of person I am ? Then why don't you delete this? Why can't you stop commenting ?
It's because you want to explain Mil's side and for us , that is also what we're doing...
Think bad of me all you want, call me piss poor, call me toxic , i don't care but even I myself don't want to be associated with you in real life.
" re evaluate yourself. this discussion was supposed to be OF THE STORY AND CHARACTERS ONLY. if you will continue to act this way then please stop interacting. "Yes haven't you read all that long paragraph? Haven't you already noticed that most of the content I had is explaining Linden's part? But you didn't even mind it because you were too mad at me at the first sentence of my comment... Re evaluate myself? What re evaluate myself as someone piss poor , toxic , bad bitch who can't understand other's feelings?
Let me remind you it was you who were rude at first. " the people in this comment section are HELLA DUMB. " Yeah I'm sure you're much more intelligent than us " it can also be seen BY ANYONE WHO HAS EYES " rude of you to assume I don't have a pair of them ...
I'm sorry for being piss poor at comprehension and such a toxic person ... But I hope you know I'm not the only one bad here (〜 ̄△ ̄)〜

First of all, I would like to apologise to everyone involved with this part of the comment section for prolonging this discussion. I’m doing this because I want to but if anyone is tired of notifications popping up just say the word and it ends.
Okay, Point 1: “they’re not dead yet” Sure let’s wait for Mil’s family to die, so that he can suffer and grieve first, then we validate his reasoning to fight for his family. (a bit too late though?)
Point 2: Glad you agree that Mil shouldn’t abandon his family either! Which means now you understand why Mil chose to stick with his family right?
Point 3: Look I don’t know how to reply to that. This was a topic about explaining Mil’s actions and I don’t think I’ve said anything that contradicts my wish for Linden to enact justice.
Finally, good to see you understand you’re toxic, that’s the first step to better yourself as a person! Also, I don’t think I’m being too kind to Mil (at least not more than he deserves it), if that was implicated it was not intended. If anything, you might be too kind to Linden by responding to people explaining Mil’s actions with “wHaT AbOuT lINdEn” instead of addressing the actual point being made. For the fifth time, I (and others) are capable of understanding the feelings of both characters even if they have conflicting interests.
You know, if you can explain what you hope the ending will be then maybe we can find some middle ground there.

the ones complaining about aseph are truly built different like your lil bby almore couldve been 6 ft underground rn but he out there STILL BREATHING the fart from trees like what do y'all expect from a VILLAIN who underwent trauma and abuse? i mean yh the fl is there and he's inlove or whatevrr but do yall rlly think thats enough to erase the nasty sht he's been through? i had my suspicions so pls correct me if im wrong but..is it crack? is it crack that yall smoke?

I love Asaph he is so sus.. imao I am tired from all this soft/cute/good mls or the ones who killed the fl in their previous life but here they are trying to win her back... he is villian and he is good only to her..
Aseph , Alexander from (Beatrice)and Riftam from (under the oak tree) are for me the best..
i hope this story wont also be filled with people that hates plots like these but reads it anyways and then give out a bad review like in the painter of the night. istg, if its not your cup of tea then please leave quietly. you look dumb coming on here, hating it, complaining how the characters are toxic, but then are still staying. just leave, please. not everyone likes nor hates the same cake. these kinds of stories has its own community, just like the others. understand that and respect it.
You have more sense than people in this comment section. It does give me modern painter of the night vibes based on looks. But I love painter of the night so I'll love this too
Couldn't agree more. The comment section in POTN has become so toxic itself. You can't voice an opinion without being attacked
So people shouldn’t give negative review if they don’t like something? What do you think conment section is for? Compliments?
I don’t think the comment section of POTN is much toxic. People are just giving their opinion both positive and negative. If you want to see some real negative comment section then go to Love or hate /Yours to claim
Yeah I get it you are basically trying to say don’t like don’t read
But the problematic part of your statement is people are supposed to know what the story will hold for them before even starting to read the story. Again there are people like me who decide to finish what they start so they don’t drop a story simply because they don’t like where the story is going. People are allowed to complain in the comment section if they don’t like something . If you don’t like that then just dislike it amd move on
Stop trying to tell people what to do and what not to do
Maybe I wasn’t. Do fill me in on what happened. If you are talking about people hating on the story and dropping it,then I don’t see how that's toxic. People are allowed to have their opinion about a work
You totally said that people shouldn’t complaint if they don’t like anything. And how am I going to know what kind of story it is before I even start reading it?
Also I have never seen anyone who keeps complaining about the same thing in a story and I certainly am not one of them. A story is an ongoing process and if I see anything problematic of course I will express my opinion about it. You complaining about others expressing their opinion seems equally toxic. Just dislike them and move on.
If you can't say anything without sounding offensive then better don’t say anything at all. Who are you to police people on how they shoul express their opinion?
Ok first don’t put words in my mouth. Second don’t police people on how they should express their opinion. If you find it annoying just dislike it and move on. You are being as toxic as you think those people are
Why? Have I said something that offended you?
Look at our previous replies to see if I really got it or not because I remember explaining that
Should I really care about what you want? Meh
Read our previous reply becayse I do remember explaining that to you
You totally said that I said you told people to stip reading the manga. And no I don’t feel called out for something I didn’t do
So you do agree that you are being toxic?
Sad that you don’t remember. But you really should re-read them.
Didn’t sound sarcastic at all
No <3
i agree with you so much im-. its like they actively get mad at it but continue to read every new ep just to say the same old crap like "oh sooo toxic". but then get mad when they are called out. tbh its annoying ... why cant we all just watch whats going to happen in the story without complaining abt stuff WE ALREADY KNEW WAS/ IS HAPPENING!!!. like if you dont like how "toxic" the story is then idk why they dont just leave and stop nit picking at things for no reason.
its kinda funny to me- i just read the whole thread and they completely missed/twisted your point then was rude for no reason LMAOOOO
Well I have given opinions and theories in the comment section of POTN recently and been attacked for it so I no longer read or engage in the comments. I buy the chapters on lezhin and used to engage engaging with people here but not anymore
*enjoy