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But how though? When he and his uncle has massive debt and hospital bills to pay? When his uncle might have to sell his organs just to pay a little of his and the hospital bills debt? When the uncle practically raised MC? And when MC doesn't want to see his only remaining healthy family struggle to pay his brother's aka mc's dad hospital bills and debt?

you're saying a whole lot of nothing ngl. reread the story idk. their deal was cased closed. mc was given an advance payment and was able to solve their immediate monetary problems with a bit of sum left to spare. and that wasn't even the full payment, jfc, just a portion of it. hence how, from my memory since i stopped reading at chp19, he was finally able to eat a real meal after so long. coz if he was still tight on money, i for sure know he wouldnt eat good after receiving all that.

now all he had to do was wait for the other party to reach out for them to do the deed and him to give birth, then DONE. clean cut connection, unproblematic life, and no stress. yet what does the mc choose to do? thats right, keep getting involved and reaching out to the guy. which if i remember correctly, was supposed to be one of the clause for him not to do??? he violated that clause and got more problems in return. well deserved but annoying af to read. and, again, he had a choice to live his dollar life AWAY from trouble (trouble = that top). he consciously and voluntarily kept approaching the top and its infuriating coz he's so dumb with it.

Ohhh okay!! Now I get it lol yeah from another's perspective he is very dumb in his approach lol, thanks for the info!! I really need to reread it again lol.

He did violate the clause of getting personally involved in the other party and like he keeps going to that top even though he's treating him "rudely"

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Get out of dream land babes, me and him literally in bed rn, typing this as he blows my back out

You have surprisingly good spelling and punctuation for someone being railed as they type (●￣(ｴ)￣●)

What can I say, I'm used to it

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I don’t think there are any rape defenders who are defending rape.
“Rape defenders” is used by the ones to harass the ones who don’t see this story as rape but SA and abusive. It is an illogical argument and trying to shame us because there is no rape to defend. Rape is their POV. Maybe yours too? They are not being respectful to them. The rape defenders are the cyber bullies here because how they defend rape and obsessed with rape.
And not genuine readers who logical think rape after a scene without all the details. We always respect other pov.
You are spot on with everything else and I agree with but you got misled by the cyber stalkers on the “rape defenders” and they will not stop. They are probably teenagers who don’t know any better.

I'm sorry, I got confused by what you meant on the 'rape defenders'. Is it a derogatory term used against the people who see nothing wrong with the actions done in the story? I merely used the term to refer to people who try to say rape is okay and nothing else. I would love a clearer explanation tho!

Normalising fictional murder: done
Normalising fictional rape (straight/gay): done
Next up: Normalising fictional chi*d porn

"I don't see fictional people as real people" i am so glad we agreed on that one. Ofc i dont condone child abuse irl. I can distinguish between fantasy and reality.

(Just coz u can handle it and won't do it irl doesn't mean its not wrong bruh...far stretch from murder to rape then to child p ik but still fictional yk...i dont see why u would be opposing it coz "its fictional so its okay")

(And dont bother arguing with the rape defender over here, they will explain shit to you, in case you r not actually playing with them lol)

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Not here. Here it is used by the cyber stalkers on who has a different POV or has the POV of the story. They are forcing their pov on us instead of being respectful.
Saying this isn’t rape ≠ see nothing wrong with the actions done in the story. We still think the first uke needs to press charges for first face being slammed in the wall. We still see the SA and toxic abusive behavior how Joo treats Dan. He slammed his head in a pillow that isn’t right. We are not excusing his behavior or white washing him. We are not defending him. It is like we are saying he didn’t tie him up. It is like we are saying he didn’t keep him the basement. We are saying he didn’t rape him and it is highly illogical to think we are white washing him of his behavior when he is still abusive and toxic. He threatened Dan. Tell me how saying there is no rape erases the threats, the sa, or the abusive behavior?
We have said it is not rape but sa and abusive. Rape is apart sa but sa is more.
They hate us and are spreading misinformation about us because they think it is “funny” or trying to force us to leave. They can’t share this page or stop their lying hating bs. They can’t be adults. They have to live in hate. It is sad. Just because you see rape and someone else doesn’t, doesn’t make them a rape defender here. This story isn’t clear cut as many other stories are. When you take in all details of the story, it is not rape. If someone was denying rape in Hoga Hagyeongsu, I would be questioning it but I would avoid them and avoid making messages like yours to them. Many others are carefully reading this and coming to the conclusion: it is not rape. If you see rape that is your pov but that doesn’t make us rape defenders from your pov when the story says something else. The problem here is not pov vs pov. It is see rape or be a sicko rape apologist seeking professional help. You kind of did that. See it as rape or be a rape defender who needs professional help. However, the rest of message showed that isn’t what you meant as you are being misled by the cyber stalkers here. They are defending the view of rape as they are obsessed with rape and us. That is why they are the rape defenders here. They are forcing their into their pov and spreading misinformation on us to where we have to create a second account all because they are defending their rape pov. Rape defenders don’t define us.

There isnt an issue with ficitonal rape here, theres an issue with how it is treated and presented. For example, if this story ends up with an ending that has Dan and Jaekyung dating it minimises rape into something that can be forgiven in a relationship. Considering Korean rape culture, this is an issue. HOWEVER, if this manhwa doesnt romanticise, sexualise, minimise or dismiss the rape, it is completey okay. Media plays a huge part in rape culture which is why authors need to be careful on how they present it. Individuals romanticising this relationship have personal issues of their own it's morally wrong but you cant control nutters can you? There isnt an issue with someone reading any sort of fiction material as long as it isnt cp, there is an issue with people defending the wrong things though.

The person you replied to has been called a rape defender so i think when you said rape defender they thought you were reffering to them. The term rape defender/apologist is exactly how it sounds though, its a derogatory term for someone who defends rape be it by romanticisation, minimisation, sexualization, dismissal etc. There are rape defenders in this comment section so dont worry you used the term correctly. Being offended by it someones own personal problem since the only people you're criticising are the rape defenders not randos.

Sam. Rape defender doesn’t define me. This has been debunked many times. It is an illogical argument. It does define you.
Also I am explaining in a civil and mature conversation with Kiokio. There is no argument. People can engage in conversation with people on here. People can make friends on here. Everything does not have to be an argument or attacks.


Would you stop cyber stalking me, lying and being overdramatic. Stop being childish and disrespectful.

Sam and toilet are cyber stalkers. I am not a rape defender and only been called rape defender by cyber stalkers. They have no valid opinions.
No one here has dismissed Joo’s actions or white washed him. No one has defended him either.

I was not offended. Lol I was correcting the truth of the situation. See the insecurities? There has to be rape to defend rape. There is no rape in this story. Go educate yourself and read the story carefully. Stop forcing your pov when the story says otherwise. I stand with the story’s POV.

Oh right, people did criticise mingwa for making her story too soft in BJ Alex (kind of unbelievable), i think Korean readers are way more unhinged sometimes..

You are a heavy reacher, clearly. I don't know how you got any probability of me or anyone else on here ever excusing child porn when those jailed in actual prisons, for actual crimes, hate pedophiles to their core to the point of committing murder in front of guards. I have younger siblings and am a heavy supporter of pedophiles killing themselves. And I mean that with every fiber of my being, I couldn't care less if you think every life is precious. Pedophiles should be erased from existence IDC. So I am full taking offense of you relating me, even to make a point across, to child fuckers. What the actual fuck is wrong with you. If you think you did something with that comment, I hope you get help because I know nobody else is thinking of child porn in any of the discussion here, unlike you. Disgusting. That 'community' has nothing to do with the one here. Child porn, fiction or not, is something vastly different in terms of substance, market, and consumers.

For you taking the dig of "its fictional so it's okay", when did I ever say it's okay? Readers of dark and toxic stories know fully well it's dark and toxic. That's why we read it. No one is saying this is something we support and encourage, only that it is entertaining to read, because it is fiction. It's something exciting to some and intriguing to the other. Simply put, it's merely an interest on heavier plots.

You may not like it, clearly, but a lot of people actually find stories like these engaging to read, the same way you like reading lighter stories with a healthier setting. So why are you trying so hard to shame others for reading toxic fiction when they clearly are simply reading and limiting their interests in stories? Why are you taking our interest so personally? Does it affect you in any way? Does a stranger's interest change the trajectory of your personal life? I don't understand why you fully go out of your way to disrupt a community that's quietly reading to themselves.

No one on here is advertising the actions in the story nor are they forcing you to read it. So I don't understand your constant harassment to the people reading this.

Oh, I see. I personally read fictional stories and understand it is fiction so my opinions and beliefs aren't swayed by what I read. But then again, I am an adult. Children and minors of this generation are heavy on social media, so I fully see the problem you are presenting. That is something related but somehow also different to the problem on here, because most of the people on here, I am guessing, are adults? And a lot of people are harassing them for simply enjoying a story that doesn't reflect their beliefs outside the internet, me, being an example. I just hope people enjoy each of their own interests without headbutting each other just being they're on the opposite sides, in terms of genres.

Tmsymz? All i said is that you were called a rape defender, stop reaching so hard i didnt say it was true, my comment was directed at Kiokio stop victimizing yourself in every situation not everthing is an attack at you. Genuinely.

To be clear. Half this message was to Kiokio. The rest wasn’t to Kiokio
The break showed the change but I didn’t stated it.

To be honest...im holding a strong belief that a lot of this website is minors. Not our fault at all but that is why i take it more seriously when i see people fighting for their lives, theres an impressionable audience watching all of us and we need to take a little responsibility for our words. I joined this website when i was a minor, i am an adult now but its safe to say that the amount of kids on this website isnt little. I was atleast at the age of consent but so many are just young middle schoolers.

You’re talking facts. That person could be a child. Their English is whack too(using too much slang).

I hope others would be able to see your point because many have a disability in understanding a context.

I understand what you are trying to say. Basically, you are saying there's no rape, but SA is present, was misunderstood by the others that you are dismissing any SA in the story and is just clarifying that you see the problem but don't agree to the terms they used, which was 'rape'?

I personally do not really give much importance to terms used and mostly just enjoy the flow of the story, so I apologize but I do not share the sentiments in the whole 'rape defenders' fiasco. But I do agree getting stalked and harassed for such a thing is horrible. You should definitely just block them at this point because something like this is not healthy, for you, especially. Nobody should be treated like that in any case whatsoever.

Sam..sam my son i believe you have become a victim of the 'looking too deep into shit' disease. I understand there are insane psychos on this website but kiokios points are very well said and address different issues. Look at things in shades of grey, not everything is black and white. You are still my homeboy ight

Suddenly i became 11

I feared and hope that wasn't the case, but I have an inkling it was. Although I share your beliefs on how minors shouldn't be consuming these kinds of contents, but I also think the way people are 'handling' this is wrong. It should be done in a calm and civilized manner, like how we are doing right now, and not in an aggressive and demoralizing way. That way only incites a negative reaction and worsens both opinions on either sides.

Cant say i havent behaved that way, i mocked quite a few people as soon as i was sure they were adults though i dont think i was aggressive. A little picking never hurts anybody. You're right about it being wrong though, i tend to not take it as seriously anymore and leave it be. As i have reaped all my sows.

Well, the first step to correcting a mistake is recognizing what you did wrong. And I think that's one step closer to a more understanding community. I just hope the others who did the same can see the problem, too. Though, I guess that might just be wishful thinking lol.

Lol but I was referring to Sam though.

Chill, I was not trying to say YOU or ur community condon pedophiles. My bad that i was very blunt. I dont see smart ppl like you here every day.

Its all frictional. Idk why would you differentiate one from another? Both normal rape and c rape are...both....rape and fictional. Why is one okay and other is not? That was one of the questions but I what really wanted to make a point about was *NORMALISING* shit that shouldn't be bruh. Whatever type of rape it is. Like i said my approach was a far stretch. You dont have to read into that and assume that i am calling you all pedos. I am well aware how much people hate pedos. Me too.

The author could have given this manhua a rape/sa warning if they considered it rape, but they didn't and neither do the fans?...sounds like playing a little into the rape culture to me. Warning exist for a reason. Why is the toxic content still not kept in check?
The underlying tone. "Shota oni" ("yaoi") for example, it starts all fluffy and cute but now its taking a pedo route, people not seeing it and then defending it, i am sure many of them are females and adults. Yet again my point being its so NORMALISED that you cant even see it. Its not just creepy old men.
Seems unrelated but its the worst/best example of Normalising stuff. As for jinx there are people who dont see them as a abuser and a victim. THEY CANT EVEN SEE IT. And liking the abuser for the "romantic" aspect. (Adult or nah)
Unlike the author of killing stalking (its far worse than jinx ofc in terms of abuse) who clearly stated that its not a romance but the toxic liking 'community' thinks other wise?

You are probably the sanes of the 'community' and can understand that. But many people dont think like you.

Heavier plot isnt the problem but people not seeing it as one at the end of the day is. Which is mostly dismissed as "its fiction so its okay"

And i am sorry when did i harrasser anyone? (Yeah the blunt comment i made towards you did sound like harrassment, my bad for that) but i mostly talk shit to the rape defenders. I have never said "u r disgusting for reading this" or "what the fuk is wrong with you?" to anyone. Where did you get that info from? If you are so updated on the harrasment i do then you have read me saying "i dont hate ppl who read this shit while being fully aware or purely for the art" didn't you?
I read it coz its bad myself. It interests me coz its bad. I dont find it intriguing but i dont hate it. I read it coz i can. I am just more morally inclined than you.

As for the 'community' you talk about, it aint that peaceful. That small number of people exist that hop on when a someone says something they dont like like "its rape" as a final word, who are quietly leaving so they harrasing them for it. And some are close towards any criticism.

(Sorry if i am being blunt. Yet again you are probably the sanest person i have seen out of all. So i am not actually trying to fight with you.)

As for tmsmyz
I have never stalked you? Bruh i dont even read the big paras u send. I blocked you for a reason and u blocked me for a reason. Cant you accept that we have different povs and move on already? I only reply to the ops who clearly see the rape pov and are stuck arguing with you and ur bs....when you are trying to force them to see yours as if your pov is the absolute. A few times was okay. But ya all go all out on people so say the word "rape" in perticular now a days. Stop replying to me.

i was playin around haha

Toilet, you NEED to understand TM was explaining there are no known rape defenders here but the cyber bullies have missed called a group, rape defenders. You “VICTIMIZED” him by saying he thought Kiokio was referring to him. TM was explaining the page, man. TM was defending himself from your ignorant words on his actions. He wasn’t reaching or victimizing himself. That was disgusting that you can’t even see what you did and treat him like that with lies.
He didn’t think you called him one and he didn’t think Kiokio thought they were referring to him but misunderstood the situation. There was no reason to write about him or about him erroneously being called one thinking the message was about him when he wrote an explanation of what happened away from him. Stop “victimize” him so he doesn’t have to defend himself to where you claimed he is “victimized” himself. It seems like you were poking fun at TM, your victim of cyber bullying and toxic behavior. He is Dan to your Joo.

Sam
You never cyber stalked him? You go out of your way to cyber stalk him. LOOK AT END OF FIRST YOUR COMMENT! You directed a misused words and lies all on TM. Sounds like you need to stop lying and cyber bullying and move on. He is calling out the lies, bro. He has never argued here. He has defended from cyber bullying like you. He has tried to have conversations. He has never tried to force anyone in a pos. He is not you Sam. How about you stop gaslighting the situation, lying about him, stop the “rape defender” BS, and the cyber stalking on him?

We will correct the lies. We will call out the lies. If you don’t want a response stop lying and move on.
Stop being a pathetic insecure cyber bullying. We are here because you and others can’t stop cyber bullying after a blocked. We are not interested. Take a hint.

Prayers could be non religious. Many non-religious people prays.
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There are rape defenders in this comment section but perhaps you guys havent seen them since they were here at really early chaps. "i think when you said rape defender they thought you were reffering to them", i said i think for a reason to make it clear that i wasnt sure. You overreacted and you're again, looking too deep into what i say. Everything i said in that comment you should've taken at face value since your assumptions werent actually be confirmed nor are they true. Whether you think i was poking fun at him or not is your own problem, i was being very genuine with the first and second comment. All kiokio did was ask a question and i replied because i had an answer about the term she was using. I apologise if you got the wrong impression but comparing me to a sexual abuser is insanely insulting to say the least considering I've been molested (not that you knew). Think whatever you want, you're entitled to your opinion afterall.

Tora, you blocked me first long time ago but clearly you are still obsessed with me. Bruh. I dont get you. Bye.

Tora was helping here. He isn’t obsessed with you, Sam. He barely been here. Block = to be forgotten because of your behavior. ;). He blocked you to be obsessed with you?? Hahaha

I was so surprised when she used the word obsessed.

Toilet. Tora made a logical point not an AsSuMpTiON. We didn’t overact. You did. I think Mi Amore joined in between chapters 28-29 maybe 27. I don’t know. Tora after 28? I don’t know. I was after chapter 29 before the hiatus. We have no reason to back to earlier topics. We are not like Sam or you who are camping out to harass others. You do go in between being toxic to being decent. But once you are angry at something, we get 3 or more accounts attacking us as you do nothing and watch them attack us as if it punishes us or something. We try or avoid you. All of us had you blocked. If mangago had a better blocking system we wouldn’t be here seeing your toxic behavior.

My first comment only explain the situation. It is not clear I was apart of the situation. It wasn’t clear of my POV. I distant myself from the situation and explained the current situation to Kiokio who seemed to be misled. Currently there are no rape defenders in the real term. Tora did not make an assumption. It was a logical point from the conversation with the last 10 or so days. It was an unnecessary point to made it. It was like I had all those signs on me in a bugs bunny show saying I was in the drama and I was called a rape defender( from the cyber bullies) and I might be misunderstanding the message to be at me. No, you did not call me one but you were doing something else. You may has been “genuine”, whatever that means to you, but it seems you wanted to stir up drama and bring information here that was not necessary. For 10 days here there hasn’t been any rape defenders besides the misuse of the term of the cyber stalkers and I added a meaning to fit their actions. On the second reply of mine or one following after a question I explained more. It shows I NEVER forced a pov.
That last bit of Tora’s message wasn’t about sexual abuse. It was about the toxic behavior. It is funny you went there. He was trying to get you to understand. You were talking about 16 fingers and bombing my toilet…

If you were genuine you would said I was called rape defender by the cyber bullies (but that includes Sam and your friends) and more details of what happened instead of causing more misunderstandings. We are not looking to deep. It is very shallow. Tora said “it seems like you were” he didn’t said you were or assumed anything. You overreacted. He was pointing out your behavior and your words to what was actually said. You made it clear your did take his words at face value nor are you talking to him about his words. You are talking to your own version of him and his words.

“People who were sexually abused in childhood may have a higher risk of being in adult relationships where they are abused physically, emotionally, or sexually. In some cases, people who were victimized may become abusive themselves.This pattern is known as a cycle of abuse.”

https://www.verywellmind.com/the-cycle-of-sexual-abuse-22460#:~:text=People%20who%20were%20sexually%20abused,as%20a%20cycle%20of%20abuse.

Check yourself. You are abusive on here to many people, even before we came along. We don’t want to see more of your and others abusive comments that is why we don’t want to go back.

I was too. I don’t think Tora has said anything about Sam to me. Lol
Here is another one
In this topic. Toilet writes to Sam. “Sam Sam my son”
Sam is a male. I guess. I been thinking the same like you.

it’s not the name. Sam is unisex. I think it is the profile picture.

Thought Tora was implying something when he said it seemed i overthought that part my bad. Im not willing to argue with you about this since my conversations with you never go anywhere, sorry for even replying to a question that was referred to you i didnt have bad intentions. I dont want to talk to you as much as you do, God bless you man.

I am not saying you are calling us pedophiles. I was simply disagreeing, heavily, on the part where you think pedophilia could ever be normalized, especially in connection to this setting or community. As I've mentioned before, even the worst of the worst criminals abhor pedophiles. To put it clearly, I am saying no one, in all walks of life, would ever accept pedophilia, so I don't think there is any use of using such topic in this discussion.

And again, I have said that child porn, fiction or not, is something vastly different in terms of substance, market, and consumers. It depicts children and minors in a situation where the reader, most likely a person older than the child in the said written fiction, easily imagines themselves to be the individual committing the act. It fuels their sick desires to witness children in a sexual setting. They want to see that and are actively enjoying the acts done in the story.

The people who read heavier plots do not take pleasure in any harm done to the characters. I, personally, have never seen any readers encourage the abuse done in the story. And I don't think anyone here is reading the story for the sexual assaults either. Nobody here is saying rape is okay. Nobody is defending rape to be seen as normal. No one even wishes to be put in the same situation as the characters depicted. People are simply inclined to read heavier plots as it both races and weighs down your feelings as you read along the story. It creates a rollercoaster of emotions, the same way horror movies and action films drive out fear and excitement from its consumers.

Reading such stories doesn't make you any less morally good nor does not reading it make you more morally inclined. If watching or reading stories outside the morality of society is such a bad thing, genres like slasher movies and sci-fi would also need to be erased, no? Since it showcases death and harm to people. But people who watch and disregard the actions in the movie aren't seen as bad because, why? Because it is fiction. It is allowed to be disregarded due to that fact. Hence, why the argument of how it shouldn't be okay just because it's fiction is null. Any kind of opinion of such movies, may it be good or bad, does not translate to reality at all. I am confident to say that if any of the people here were to actually witness sexual abuse in real time, I am sure they would help the victim and report it to authorities.

Your point of view creates a prejudice in your opinion and paints this community as sexual assault apologists. You view people who give positive reviews to such stories as someone who actively motivates such behavior. No, they want it to stop. Their 'positive opinions', ones that are hoping for a character development and a happy ending, are most likely limited to the story itself. No one is actually like that in real life. I don't think I've ever encountered a reader wanting an actual case of sexual assault to have a happy ending. Those are the 'religious' people who want that, because, you know, "It's better to have a complete family". They're reading a different type of book and I won't go further on that. That's their messy business.

As for the trigger warnings, I apologize but I see that as an entitlement to demand such a thing. No one is responsible to cater to your needs aside from yourself. If you see the story is toxic, which most likely already has telltale signs way before the actual act, you simply exit the story and move along. Such stories are also pretty much rated 18+, I believe? The author for this specific manhwa is also already known to have created BJ Alex. Aside from the legal source of this manhwa, this site itself have also put warnings that states, "The following content is intended for mature audiences and may contain sexual themes, gore, violence and/or strong language. Discretion is advised." I don't know what you want more, but to also hold readers accountable for warning strangers who could very much read the room themselves is a bit much, no? Readers of such plots don't shout about the toxicity because they don't mind it. So you and the others who don't like it should just, talk among yourselves, I guess? Again, both the author and the readers are not responsible for your needs. And I mean that in the sincerest way possible.

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No, I didn't mean you harassed me, though from the way you first commented, I did assume you were one of the harassers who cyberbullied others and mocked their opinions. My bad if you weren't, I didn't really thoroughly check the comments.

The small number of people you speak of who attacked others that said the story was rape and left were probably the ones who got demonize for reading such stories. At least that's what I'm assuming from the many cases I've seen in other comment sections. I don't condone any of them though. Any type of harassment is loser behavior to me.

And don't worry! I'm not reading your replies with an angry tone. I do believe we are having a proper discussion so props to us! Since it's rare these days lol.