Am I crazy for actually enjoying the plot? Like don't get me wrong i fucking hate some stuff but I genuinely am invested guys I wanna know what Erik looks like fr, and what drove everyone to call him a monster. His initial vision of Chris and how he fell, why and how he lives like so beneath the opera, why he built it, and if he truly is Chris's fated pair.
I was feeling quite sad towards Ralph then his monologues threw me off. I do not doubt that he holds some sort of love towards chris, but I do think he also views Chris the same way the other asshole rapist alphas did. A weak omega, an object to be owned, helpless without him, nothing without him, must be his. He doesn't look at Chris as a person at all, despite all the love. He talks about him like one would talk about an object it's actually concerning, and while the whole Erik plot is fucked up, at least he's the only one who actually respects Chris as a person, as wel as his wishes.
Y'all i can't believe THE fucked up person is the one preaching for consent!!!
So I do agree with the people saying "why are you bashing hear abd calling her toxic and a creep and insecure. You know nothing about mental health and only support it to your convenience and when it's sad" and while I do agree to some extent, I still also think that just because she's suffering from mental illness doesn't mean it's not a toxic behavior. Yeah it's not right to feed into the stigma of calling her a creep and a loser, but she IS being toxic and her mental illness doesn't negate that and absolve it. Toxic people do toxic shit because they're unwell. If you think an asshole or a bully does bad shit because they're born evil then that's a skewed pov of the world where only the victims get to be "unwell" while the preparators get to be demons with grand intention.
It's good to be a mental awareness advocate, but that doesn't equal enabling
I pity her and the turmoil and pain she causes herself first and foremost (i truly think she'll self sabotage and cheat on him thinking hr alr did that only to realize she became the one thing she's been so scared of), but I genuinely feel uncomfortable reading this and reading the slow descent into greater depths of derangement. Idk it's not that I'm not empathizing. Having BPD makes me all too aware of fear of abandonment and going through extreme lengths like that, but something about HER and her thought process just makes me dislike her.
I guess because rather than internalizing that fear and panic, directing it mostly towards herself (which would make it more self destructive) she's externalizing it by demonizing her bf.. IDK something about the way she rationalizes her thoughts makes me angry
Not that I'm saying she should internalize it or shouldn't externalize it, I'm just trying to figure out which aspect of her unwellness makes me uneasy because the concept of jealousy and fear of abandonment and self-sabotaging and insecurity isn't exactly a novel idea and isn't one that deters me from enjoyment. It's just this specific girl for some reason.
I agree, but I think my full message is getting lost in translation. In that post, at multiple times I condemned her behavior. I said it's not acceptable behavior by any means, that she needs professional help/support and spoke to how detrimental her actions are to herself and her loved ones. At no point, did I ever say her behavior wasn't toxic. The point I was more so trying to make was for there to be more nuance, compassion and understanding without enabling her actions. I think someone can condemn a person's actions without condemning the person themselves. For example, I think this character's actions are very toxic, but I don't think at her core she is an evil toxic villainous character. I can have compassion for a character or person while fully condemning their actions. What's frustrating for me, is that I see other people hold this nuance/duality for characters or people where the mental health issue is anxiety or depression. It feels like all compassion gets thrown out the window when it's BPD and not depression/anxiety that's causing a person to be toxic. Having a loved one who suffers with BPD it hurts to see even when depicted fictionally, people not holding just a little bit more nuance/compassion for the character WHILE condemning and not accepting their destructive behaviors. This is really a reminder for me, that when my partner is telling me that BPD is super stigmatized that she's completely telling the truth.
Yeahh I agree with you. I didn't go check but I think your comment is what made me write mine but I didn't exactly disagree with you but more the variety of comments in general touching upon this. That being said, I 100% agree with you and it frustrates me to see characters with mental illnesses get demonized, that it becomes a black or white outlook, when it's fine to sympathize with the character while condemning the action itself. It's important to understand these characters/people do shit like that because their mind literally doesn't comprehend the consequences of them at that moment, and it's usually a self preservation mechanism.
I also didn't realize how mental illnesses and BPD specifically was stigmatized until I hot diagnosed with it and saw an acquaintance break up with her fiance the moment he also got diagnosed. It wasn't because of something he did, it's the fact he got diagnosed with it that didn't sit right with her, apparently, but she was completely fine with him day to day had she been unaware or had he not been labelled with a diagnosis. I had to take a step back from her because what the fuck lol. Anyway,,,
I will repeat tho that there's something about this specific character that has me very uncomfortable. Like I've read "Lost in the cloud" and Cirrus is a typical BPD case but I haven't felt half as uncomfortable as I do with this one and i really wonder why...
I can't even hate at this point, you chose the man leewon There's no way any of us can get angry when you're the one who's telling us gwenchanaa gwenchanaa
Does anyone even understand WHY Leewon fell in love w Caesar?? I truly don't get it
Treat this as a oldest son support button
I love them all but the lack of oldest son love is sad his story is so cute it's just mature. He's such a golden retriever boyfriend AAA like if I ever wanna settle down that's the kind of man I want. Yeri you better know how to fight
I understand why everyone is bored and don't like the second story much, but I actually love it a lot. The mc is insufferable and stupid, yes, but that's because you're viewing this whole thing from afar. I regard this new story as another metaphor for the human behavior. As a previous comment had pointed out, it's like the stories are about the seven deadly sins, and this one is about greed.
Had you had the opportunity to have all your wish come true just by yapping about some sad thing that happened to you before, believe me we'd all be lined to wish. Then once we get one wish fulfilled, we'll wish bigger and bigger. It's human nature to never be satisfied because we always want more, it's just some are better at controlling their greed than others.
This plot is about how even when you reach perfection, you still want more, and how this can ruin someone's life by never being content with what they have, or at least knowing when to stop running for perfection any longer. A lot of people sought out this manhwa for the vibes and aesthetic of the first plot (me included) that the second one feels annoying to them with how excessive and childish the vibes are, but that's literally the whole point of it. The dreamy oversaturated effect, the sea, the island, the icecream and candy, it was meant to highlight the la la land perfection theme. You just need to accept this is not a single story and they all won't necessarily feel the same, but the delivery of a philosophical and psychological topic is the essence.
i agree aswell
Started punching the air.
This is for everyone who called me heartless when I said meeting his mother would help and that's why Jiho was doing what he did (albeit he fucked up a bit in the process) and they said he doesn't need to meet her to heal he just wants someone understanding by his side yada yada yada
Being proven right is such a sweet sensation. I know not every case is similar to the other and what works for someone doesn't necessarily work for the other but I fucking knew Inwoo's problem needed that kind of solution as a first step I'm so glad this is taking this direction now.
Agreed. I was yelling about Jiho previously because of how he decided to forcefully tackle the issue. It needed to come willingly from Inwoo because at the end of the day, if Inwoo hadn't accepted it then it'd have been a fruitless attempt, no matter how good Jiho's intentions. But that did implant the idea of the possible solution in Inwoo's head, so all's well that ends well.
Sameeee
Ok novel readers you better assure me this will get insanely better because rn I'm actually boiling with hatred towards Chase. This bitch. Wtf? Like he's actually very fucking annoying and like for what??? Unprovoked too!!! So yea his redemption better be scrumptious but if it won't be much better let me know so I can lower my expectations or just drop cause my blood pressure can't fr
Its giving god complex frfr
Don't worry, if the manhwa is adapted correctly from the novel, it'll be okay. He's insane because he's on drugs to stop his ruts and as the manhwa emphasises, dominant alphas need to have freaky times to not go insane. This guy has literally only had freaky times once with Josh so he's gone completely insane. Also, the next chapter is satisfying hehe because he gets his ass handed to him.
Thank you! Your summary made me wanna continue readind!
Okay you just made this manhwa more interesting for me thank you