I don't understand the whole misunderstanding in comments? I read a lot of posts which interpreted the situation rather wrongly?
Joowon took blame fully on himself not because he wanted to quiet, not because he wanted to manipulate Haesoo into coming back to him (in the newest raws it's also rather clear) but because he wanted to protect Haesoo from public eye. He literally had thought about him (the flashbacks) before he blurted the "confession" out.
I genuinely don't understand how people are misunderstanding joowon's statement so strongly lmao its so obvious that he doesn't want haesoo to get involved
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Words can't express how disappointed I am about the spin off with Eunwoo and Wonho. I didn't like or support their relationship in the slightest (although it was still more interesting than the bland main couple) but reluctantly I gave it a try. What I saw was so much worse than I expected.
3 months have passed...and what do we see? Wonho acting as if his whole life wasn't destroyed. As if he was on some vacations.
I'd like to remain we are talking about the guy who:
1. Has been in love (and in relationship) with Minki for a DECADE... And now he is acting as if he didn't care anymore (or hasn't cared for some time now)... Like lol this is such a poor, convenient, unrealistic writting.
2. Sold his very soul, body (literally), put tears and sweat... everything into acting... And he lost it. His whole career just like that. Not only that he was portrayed to public as a cheap whor* who got his roles by spreading legs and nothing more. Who would remember Wonho for his great acting skills? Im majority's memories he will be the guy who got his roles by sponsors, some prostitute. The guy from scandal.
So he not only lost his career, his whole reputation and image were also ruined.
3. Was sexually abused, exploited for years. Who was monopolised, stalked, persecuted and controlled by his last sponsor as some exotic pet.
4. Who lost everything (beloved Minki included) to his nemesis - Taeyoung. Younger guy who got everything he always desired thanks to connections and privilege.
5. Has alcohol problem as it was showed in the story many times.
And you want to tell me he just moved on like that? Yes people move on from tragedies but they have either some form of support: family, therapeutist, partner, friends or they have some clear purpose (be it faith, be it some goal). And Wonho doesn't have any of that. Realistically speaking he would either commit suicide by this point or drown his sorrows in alcohol, drugs,sex etc.
Of course we can argue that Wonho is remorseful (for what he did to Minki) and he wants to atone, that's why he came to terms with the whole disaster.... But still the lack of clear purpose, his good condition in general (after losing his beloved relationship and everything he has worked for his whole life) and welcoming Eunwoo with nearly open arms (even out of loneliness and desperation)....leave much to be desired.
I don't feel any emotions. Everything feels empty, false.
Not only Wonho looks as if nothing big, groundbreaking happened in his life recently. His house is tidy, he looks refreshed and relaxed. No... even better he invites in the guy who helped in his ruin. Not only that, next day he spreads his legs for him. And then acting all lovey dovey and cutesy.
Literally having gag reflex.
And my "favourite". Eunwoo. The guy didn't change in the slightest. Maybe I would buy the story how he has loved Wonho.... If he would let him go (although I'd still be rather doubtful... If you think about how he hurt him both physically and mentally, how he brought Wonho down when he was already broken, crying his heart out etc). But he didn't do that. He has obsessively thought about him for a whole three months. Then he had to invite himself and torment him more. Oh he is such a nice guy! He doesn't expect love in return. But firstly he has kissed sleeping Wonho without any consent. Then in the morning he grabbed his hand forcibly as if he owned him and they had sex....
What changed in Eunwoo exactly? Should I congratulate that he didn't attack Wonho when he was changing... although he wanted to? Wow such a development. I'm proud.
I don't know what are author's intentions with the side story but at this point it's distasteful and poorly written.
Even the art is not the best. I miss the art from the begging of the story.
I don't care if the character is uke, seme, alpha, omega, beta, woman, man etc if they act like asshole I'm gonna call them out on it.
You can't absolutely can't create the situation where consent is impacted by threat. It's coercion. You don't threat someone who just lost his new bf that you will abandoned him too. You don't create such circumstances, such play.
MD had all the right to change sub. If he really wanted then they should have civilised, mature CONVERSATION about their options and solutions.
Not toxic play where sub's consent and choices are impacted by condition. It's coercion. When sub feels obligated to do things he doesn't want to and feels uncomfortable with. It's unacceptable.
They didn't discuss elements of play before. They never had threesome before. BDSM doesn't work like that. It's about safety, full CONSENT not coerced one, satisfaction and pleasure of both parties. Chanwo through all the play acted very anxious, disgusted, he didn't enjoy it in the slightest, was asking if he really have to do that. Even a blind can see he only did that because of conditions and experienced Dom didn't?
This was pure manipulation and abuse disguised as BDSM play.
What's more MD wasn't even interested in other sub. Once again he MIXED his person feeling and ulterior motives with the play which is once again unacceptable.
It's more disturbing because he knew that Chanwoo is abuse victim. He met him when he was drugged and about to be rape and Chanwoo acted like nothing happened. He saw his bruises. Chanwoo didn't say safe word although being choked to death. It's more irresponsible to put someone like him through another traumatising experience because you want to teach them psueod lesson (MD isn't qualified psychologist, he didn't have any right to teach anyone a lesson, his pseudo plan could have really tragic outcome, realistically speaking the sub would most likely have complete breakdown) and out of grudge (his smirks both in restaurant and during restaurant showed that he is enjoying Chanwoo's humiliation). And as I said you can't mix your personal feelings or ulterior motives (like teaching someone a lesson) in BDSM play. Sorry it doesn't work like that.
And during kiss*
I fully agree with you and I hope the author will make it clear MD is in the wrong
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my thoughts exactly.
Ughhhhh if only everyone else thought this too
omg i’m stalking your profile just to see you talking abt this manhwa JHAKAJAKA
thanks for being sensible
we need more people like you
WARNING
People who don't know shit about BDSM (and also don't have common sense or empathy) are propagating false and misleading definitions.
BDSM is about FULL, CLEAR CONSENT (not some coerced one), SAFETY AMD SATISFACTION AND PLEASURE OF BOTH (or more) PARTIES.
Stop calling people snowflakes and ignorant when writting your pseudo, fake definitions, you are doing the real harm. People can be hurt or hurt others while believing this half-assed manipulated pov.
This comment section is so ignorant and disturbing that I have no words. Live in your bubble that every fault is the same that Chanwoo dEsErvEd that, that it was full consent and MD didn't do any wrong and even if he did it was justified because of his hurt feelings.
That humiliating someone, hurting them both physically and mentally, teaching "lesson" through BDSM, manipulating them into toxic play, person who was just rejected and used, make them play with the said person who used them is valid method and should be used more frequently.
I have no words. I have enough.
I honestly don’t know why they say he deserved it. He deserved it cause he rejected MD? But why? Isn’t it his right to choose whether or not to like MD?
People in this comment section are HILARIOUS. They are both flawed and at fault. Psssst I'm gonna tell you something. Flaws and faults are not equal and what MD did is on the whole different level.
Why people are happy and congratulate MD on his actions? His plan was disgusting. Firstly he involved ONCE AGAIN his personal feelings into the play. You can't enter a play with ulterior motives. He wanted to "help" Chanwoo by totally breaking him, hurting him both physically and mentally, humiliating him and forcing to do things with guy who just used him? Seems legit. Who MD is to play the god? Is he qualified psychologist? How he can be entitled to play with someone like that?
His actions could have ended in real tragedy and he still hurt Chanwoo.
If people don't see the manipulation and clear abuse, when they call this thing BDSM when the basic rules weren't fulfiled (no full consent, sub didn't feel an pleasure, satisfaction with the play).
His smirks both in restaurant and while being kissed showed that the grudge was also some factor in all of this.
MD totally looks like a guy who would be a manipulative romantic parner and I wouldn't be surprised if he would start mixing their BDSM relationship with romantic one, using power inbalance etc
Yes! My thoughts as well!
I feel so sorry for Chanwoo, he did nothing to deserve a treatment like this.
Just because MD got rejected, he's acting like a childish douche. It's up to Chanwoo to choose his partner for a relationship and they had a clear agreement.
And even IF Chanwoo cheated on his former partners (which we don't know for sure), there was no need to abuse him like that.
Now stating facts is hating. It's forbidden in yaoi community to call rapists rapist or abuser abuser. He said sorry? Everything is forgiven.
He manipulated, pressured and hurt Chanwoo even though Chanwoo just got abused and used. I know it was all for Chanwoo to 'wake up' but it doesn't make it right.
As I said before he was one dimensional, cheap plot device. Who even cares about him.
But yup writting is on the level of bad fanfiction from wattpad so what could we expect.
But there IS a difference. Chanwoo's wrongdoings aren't even half as bad as MD's. And he is victim of abuse and he was just rejected and used by his new bf and MD took advantage of his fragile state and threatened that he will abandon him too. It's really simple.
Once again how you even can place MD's actions with Chanwoo's insesitvity beside themselves. It's unreal.
I said your comparisons are unreal -> hilarious. But ok.
Seriously how much someone has to brainwash themselves not to see anything wrong and manipulative with MD's actions. It doesn't have anything to do with normal, consensual BDSM play. It's abuse disguised as one.
Also please it's the THIRD time MD crossed the line. Chapter 37 anybody? And then too personal feelings were mixed into the play and took over his actions.
It just sad how the author and readers brush off his irresponsible behaviour.
Abuse is one thing, but especially when people are calling it bdsm... really pisses me off
MD stans spamming the dislike button pisses me more
exactlyyy
That’s tough
I don't understand how anyone could have read the newest chapter and doesn't see how MD's in the wrong. It's clear Chanwoo is uncomfortable and doesn't want to do that. Random person could see that but not experienced Dom? You call this a full consent? This fine... From page 59? When he was just reminded before that yeah he can leave BUT if he would do that then he is being abandoned.
This is clear manipulation. When sub feels he HAS TO do things he is uncomfortable with and doesn't want to do because he will be abandoned.
And what's worse MD knows that Chanwoo has problems with refusing and saying no and he is taking full advantage of that.
Seriously there is a difference between fully consensual, healthy BDSM where both parties are satisfied and content with the play and this something on the verge of abuse disguised as BDSM play.
Right? I’m so tired of these comments not knowing what safe, consensual bdsm plays are, passing off the anger-driven acts by MD as only a “bdsm play”
THANK YOU!
People are literally not taking the difference in experience between Chanwoo and MD, especially the difference in power level.
The fact that MD iis literally using emotional blackmail is going over people's head. It's ok if he did that and wasn't in a BDSM relationship but he is. There are rules to it that he should not step over because it can be dangerous.
I don't understand how you don't see MD said to Chanwoo he could fuck off if he didn't want to, but Chanwoo decided on his own to stay like a bitch. You're fucking blind.
You are fuxking ignorant. Can't help you.
If someone you loved told you to leave, but if you do, they’ll choose someone else, would you? Nothing is ever clean and simple. Not to mention that Chanwoo is an abuse victim, too.
Oh so Chanwoo LOVES MD now? LOLOLOLOL you made me spit my coffee you dumbass, did you even read the story? If Chanwoo loves MD, why the fuck did he reject MD then went after some random dude? You are just fucking stupid
You're a fucking dumb whore, you should help yourself first before even thinking about helping other people
You act like plebeian and can't make any logical argument. But what can we do.
completely agree. thank you for your comment. :] i don't know how much more transparent it can be than this.
Yes, if YOU’ve been reading the story, you’d see that Chanwoo wants to stay with MD, but doesn’t want it to end up like his past, abusive relationships. In order to prove that he is capable of forming normal relationships to keep his relationship with MD, he introduces him to another guy. I really don’t need a child to be calling me “fucking stupid” when you don’t consider the psychology and depth behind the characters, these characters aren't as 2D as you think.
Don’t bother with that person, they’re just a troll. Report them and move on, they’re not worth your time.
i completely agree with you. MD is using emotional manipulative tactics because he knows chanwoo won't say no. that's his nature and that's how chanwoo is used to being treated. yes, that is a fault chanwoo has but that doesn't give MD the right to tell chanwoo be alone or compete to be my sub. that is not how healthy BDSM works. also? cussing doesn't make them scarier or sound any more intelligent. i think you're wasting your time talking to a wall.
I really am, but it makes me so sad to see readers excuse MD’s abusive and manipulative behavior on the fact that it’s “just bdsm” and “people have done worse in bdsm”. But those stories often go without consent and are not safe practices. I just hope those same people won’t participate in bdsm because that would not be safe at all for them.
I guess it's going to be really unpopular opinion but I have to say I really start to appreciate KS. Although Sangwoo got some sad backstory too it wasn't portrayed in the way to make readers super sympathetic towards him or to justify his actions (or to minimise his wrongdoings).
I seriously had big, really big expectations towards this story and I'm just disappointed? It's the same yaoi cliché trope but set in different times to give even a bigger excuse to ML's abusive behaviour. I seriously hoped that Seungho will stay dark character and the story will have much heavier, sinister atmosphere. And here we go again. Him falling in love, implications which should make us even more sympathetic towards him: suicidal tendencies, self destructive behaviour, tragic past....
So everyone will forgive and forget (or even justify) the way Yoon treated his servants or how he mistreated Nakyum.
Another disappointment for me is the fact that it's implied that the feelings start to be mutual. I hoped at least the process would be much slower and more complicated than Yoon being the worst person in NK's life (beside Inhun) but also someone who threw him shreds of kindness here and there and it was enough for Nakyum to fall for him.
But it’s the author’s story that’s her characters and they feel what she wants them to feel. You can’t force them to feel/ not feel what you want lol
YESSSSSSSSSS anyone who says otherwise doesnt know a good plot when they see one
Not necessarily, we don't know what's going to happen. Not every plot has to follow that format.
Why are we comparing characters that are from different genres?.... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
random q: is Let's Go to Work Tomorrow! worth reading?
Oh sweetie, just wait till today's episode! The tragic past is about to make its entrance!
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Yes I wrote it after reading the newest chapter.
Tbh you are right because KS is more of psychological thriller with BL elements and PoTN historical erotica but still you can find some similarities between the characters and the stories being on more darked side.
Not gonna lie I still felt bad for Sangwoo. Like his life was actually seriously messed up. But you are right I didn't justify all the horrible stuff he did and how the story ended was for the best. Boy had no redemption, no matter what he was never going to change. And that's just something the author was really good at. Being consistent. And until the end it made it clear that SW never loved Bum. Bum was just a proxy for the real target of SW's "affections" and trauma.
But I'm not saying anything that they should change the story or anything. Just my feelings about it.
Dark characters are really intriguing but it has never sit well with me to justify their actions.
Yes I really appreciated it ended they way it did.
It was really refreshing and I was impressed it didn't end up with them being "lovey dovey" and personalities turning about 180 degree.
Maybe we will be surprised positively...but to this point it follows the same trope.
the male lead is very much eye candy but so far the story hasn't progressed much. i'd still recommend it though
hopefully youre right otherwise when this story's complete ill just be coming back for the art cause cliches arent my thing