His presence is foreshadowed through the whole story so far. He is dead but still so very present. I’m probably in some extreme minority but I’m genuinely curious about Han Jaewon’s psychological portrait. The simplest, lazy answer is obvious: he was just some kind of psychopath with narcissistic traits but I hope there is more to it. Of course the level of the toxicity, hatred and harm he presented can’t be explained in any way but I look forward to his story being expanded at least a little bit.
I’m curious about the mother’s role. It’s clear she was such an important figure in the whole situation. How the loss of one twin during pregnancy affected them. Her lost career too. The way she looked at young Seo-In in orphanage gave me chills, there was some madness in that gaze, greed. She also knew how her biological son was, did she do anything about it? Or swept it under the rug? What about the father? And his role in all of it.
It’s clear Han Jaewon saw Seo-In as his replacement. That he is broken, sick and is going to die sooner than later and his parents/mother brought the healthier, better “model” home who is going to replace him one day when he is no longer there. It’s clear that the illness and the appearance of the “better version of himself” made him bitter but it still doesn’t explain the level of coldness and harm he had showed since such a young age.
I hope author is going to develop this thread.
I was curious too and I'm surprised and she is still contact with his mother albeit not frequently I just want him to go off and break relations with her like oh your son did this he's dead but blah blah blah and you know just get it all out blame her
Grooming is a tactic where someone methodically builds a trusting relationship with a child or young adult, their family, and community to manipulate, coerce, or force the child or young adult to engage in sexual activities.
We didn’t get ANY indignation that anything like that had taken place here.
Simply knowing someone when they were younger and then finding them attractive years later doesn’t equal grooming.
This "lingering perception of the child" is only relevant if you were attracted to them as a child and that is feeding into your attraction to them as an adult.
If you weren't attracted to them as a child but are as an adult, there is nothing wrong and your reaction of being "creeped out" is irrational and unjustified.
I’m not even a fan of the ship or of such dynamic but people are making up bullshit and attacking the others violently and accusing them of disgusting bs when they don’t agree with their made up definitions.
Either people don’t understand what grooming means or they are being purposefully misleading with their comments. Age gap is bigger problem than relationship full of abuse, rape and pure toxicity? Age gap is more problematic and makes you more uncomfortable than rape?
We didn’t see (at this point) Taegu making any move on MC or him acting improperly so what grooming? Mc is an adult man at this point too.
Y’all are reaching now to excuse the fact you drool over your beloved toxic rapists MLs
its not an age gap its grooming if they start dating. he knew him as a child,theres a term for people who end up dating said child once they become an adult . ill give u a hint, it starts with pedo and ends with phile.
No, knowing someone as a kid without making any pass or purposefully taking advantage of them doesn’t mean you are grooming them. What bs are you even making up? Without clear intention and purposeful manipulation you can know someone when they are younger and be completely civil and proper with them and don’t have any bad intentions and then your mindset can change when they are grown up completely because you realise they are not a kid anymore
And dear one pedophilia means being attracted to a kid who didn’t hit puberty. Nothing less, nothing more. Please don’t talk about things you have no understanding of
we got another groomer enabler here… an adult who waits for the child to become an adult so they can start dating is a fucking groomer u weirdo. im not saying he is one since theres been no evidence of him feeling any sexual/romantic attraction towards the mc but if it does go down that path then yes its grooming.
If he planned it from the start, we’d be talking about grooming but there was absolute no indignation he had any plan so you are making up bs. And excuse me you are disgusting pos to call me groomer amenable because I didn’t agree with your made up definitions :)))))))
and calling me dear one wont make u sound any less idiotic and creepy
You are making bs literal. You don’t understand what grooming or pedophilia is
Grooming is exactly how it sounds. An adult doing things purposefully to condition a minor into thinking certain things are normal, or conditioning the minor into having sexual feelings towards them. It’s done with malicious intent. Simply knowing someone while they were a minor doesn’t mean they groomed them. In this instance he hasn’t made any moves or done anything inappropriate with the MC, nor has he been waiting until the MC turned 18. It would be one thing if the MC was still a minor but now he’s an adult.
“groomer amenable” you need to search up grooming further than the google definition :) an adult who has known a child and watched said child grow up to be an adult should not be feeling romantic/sexual feelings toward the now grown up adult.
Bravo!!! Someone understands what grooming is
Pleas read Audmod definition because you don’t understand what you are talking about
grooming doesnt just involve minor and adults it can involve an adult and adult as as well wtf are u talking about? they have been knowing each other since the mc was a child and he was an adult, that immediately puts him in a position of power and parental responsibility over the mc since he was young. and with the possibility of him taking care of the mc since he was a child it can definitely be classified as grooming. regardless of the mc being an adult now.
And for your information English is my THIRD language and autocorrection changed groomer enabler to amenable ;)))
Once again where is the manipulation, clear intention or any EXAMPLE of what you are accusing the guy of? Simple knowing someone when they were younger and then showing interest (which he didn’t even show at all at this point loool) when they are few years in adulthood doesn’t mean automatically grooming.
i have been repeating again and again that he is a groomer IF and i repeat IF it is confirmed in the story that he feels sexual/romantic attraction. i am arguing against weirdos like u who wanna ship the two and think that its normal after reading this chapter which confirms the massive age gap not the story since nothing has happened yet. i am very aware of that. i have been constantly repeating that… im not going to continue arguing with a disturbing person like u.
This "lingering perception of the child" is only relevant if you were attracted to them as a child and that is feeding into your attraction to them as an adult.
If you weren't attracted to them as a child but are as an adult, there is nothing wrong and your reaction of being "creeped out" is irrational and unjustified.
And please show me one definition in any psychological paper which matches yours because I’m searching and searching and can’t find anything even a little bit similar to your definition how knowing someone when they were a teen and then finding them attractive years later when you didn’t when they were younger and didn’t have any bad intentions back then… equals grooming. Please show me such definition.
I don’t ship them with all respect, I just call out people who turn the blind eye so easily to rapists ;))))
And I’m just calling you out on your made up definitions which don’t have anything in common with actual medical ones. Your definition of pedophilia was bizarre
And you ate disgusting pos who started calling me disgusting names when I only pointed how ignorant you are and lack any knowledge while pretending you are some kind of expert in the field you have no understanding of clearly. Especially when I spent years on helping victims of abuse irl. So spare me your pathetic accusations and bullshit when I only pointed out the hypocrisy and wrong use of the word. At least at this point in the story.
Him being interested in him as an adult doesn't make him a groomer. If he was they would have had sexual relations or been a couple bc groomers don't wait till ur in ur mid 20s to pursue something with u those pervs want you asap once ur 18/19. Now if the author shows that he was sexual/emotionally interested him prior being in 20s than that would make him a pedo. But at no point has the author shown us he was groomed, of course that May change as we learn more bck story but for now no this is not grooming.
Exactly, thank you
Like at this point it’s clear they just wanna believe what they wanna believe so it’s not even worth arguing with them. People learn a word and run with it. It’s annoying cause relationships and their dynamics are all different. In stories like this, where the author is putting time and effort into making them complex, it’s frustrating when readers don’t acknowledge that they need more understanding and instead just stick a label on them. It does the story an injustice, ESPECIALLY since it’s clear this story needs more time to develop.
Massive member and gorgeous, pretty face with big muscular body is perfect combination for readers to forgive anything.
Reminder: saying stop in the middle of sexual encounter (even if the consent had been given beforehand and there had been no agreement on some non con role-play) and other party continuing means sexual assault/rape.
Haeyool IS being exploited.
Prostitution is rampant in the South Korean entertainment industry, which has resulted in actors and idols taking their own lives, as they can no longer cope with being raped, sexually exploited usually on the orders of their management. Work place bullying, nepotism and sex work is hardly unheard of in SK, but "sponsorships" are one of those open secrets where basically the wealthy influential men and women are untouchable, and if the actor or idol wants to secure work or pay of the massive debt that is occurred from them trying to debut or maintain their career from their management, then they have limited choice. A wealthy or influential person can provide, but on the grounds that there is a return, which is usually sex.
Never heard about metoo movement and Harvey Weinstein's "casting couch" practices? It all started from the rumours about soliciting sexual favors from a job applicant in exchange for employment that circulated in Hollywood for years.
The practice of soliciting sexual favors from a job applicant in exchange for employment in the entertainment industry, primarily acting roles. The practice is illegal in the States for example.
So saying he is no victim and not being exploited... Is at least questionable.
Every worker who is coerced into sex is automatically a victim and being exploited. It's illegal practice in many countries and it's shocking some people still don't understand it.
People who say that he doesn't act as if he wanted the man out of his life clearly don't understand the reality of SK's industry world. He would be finished in the industry. He would be showed as unreliable client and blacklisted automatically.
We saw ourselves in chapter 19 how the sMitTen uncle/sponsor treated him so well, he just assaulted him casually because he was jealous and would rape him if MC didn't intervene.
On the other hand Seo-in would be a perfect example of nepobaby.
Also can we stop with the shallow view that a victim has to be a perfect saint who doesn't do any wrong to be recognized as one? Cycle of abuse anyone? He was manipulating Yeongwoon to gain sympathy, to get him to like him... no one is pretending otherwise. Still it looks like he is being mistreated and abused too. These two things can coexist perfectly well alongside.
And no one is saying he should end up with MC too.
Or that he won't take a turn for the worse in the future.
The thing that irks me to no end is putting Haeyool and Seo-in - possessive, obsessive sexual offender and stalker (with strong family connections in the industry), someone who is sabotaging someone else's career because he knows that person likes Yeongwoon.... in the same bag. By no means, Haeyool is no saint and he was acting manipulative but to put these two together as if their misdeeds were on the same level is just unfair at least at this point in the story.
girlllll you fucking devoured with that essay
Not sure how the sponsor abusing Hae-yool is a lie. We literally saw the sponsor being abusive out of jealousy. It wasn't staged, he wasn't onto whatever plan. He was genuinely aggressive and forceful. It's not a lie and I doubt it was the first time. How did Hae-yool plan he was going to get assaulted (how could he plan that Seo-in would follow him and sponsor bump into them at perfect timing???) and how could he plan Yeongwoon to magically arrive in the middle of the assault, he didn't notify him in any way, he genuinely looked angry in that scene, we saw his thoughts ....?
He lied about the reason he was being assaulted but it's not a lie he was assaulted. He only used the assault part in his advantage but the assault was real.
Yeah fr I can't even make out what's happening anymore ╮(￣▽￣)╭ but what you said does make sense tbh
Yeah that def wasn't HY plan,and that sponsor is disgusting
ML was just saying that to try and get the MC to believe him.
Yeah that's my point, he is twisting the facts and lying to get his own way as always.
He definitely is...
I was also a little bit confused after briefly scanning through the chapter for the first time. Happy I could help a little bit!
ironically, hae yool used se in to make the mc jealous which backfired since both were infatuated w each other in hs i think. his sponsor didnt need to interfere in that case since hae yool thought that se in didnt care abt him that much to care (technically, yes) but then se in bought off the tabloids so hae yool would be managerless (the tabloids featured hae yool even tho se in’s gay ass would be a lot juicier) then he recruited the mc
Thanks for breaking it down so succinctly, I'm truly baffled by the logic ;;;
UM i replied to the wrong thread………. HAHAHAH spot on observation tho
Awww thank you so much!
Haha I was confused for a second ngl :D tho you were right in your observation too.
Thank you!
Dedication to all delulu users who believe that Seo Hae-yool's actions and behaviour are comparable or worse than these of waste of human being called Han Seo-in.
I see the old, famous theme for BL:
"Create dominant toxic predator seme and draw him so beautiful so that girls drool over him and forget that he's a toxic peice of sh1t seme" will neeeever get old.
Fr I feel bad for hae-yool cuz Seo-in is actually fucking disgusting he just gets his way yeongwoon is just enabling all this shitty behaviour cuz he’s in love (dumbass)
Spoilers
Seungho rushing into Jihwa's house without any plan, without reflecting on himself and his actions first is literally the same old Seungho who acts on his anger before thinking. He is as violent as always, he blames everyone around him instead of focusing on his own faults and himself. As always he can only hurt and punish everyone around him. Isn't it hilarious how Seunhgo hurts innocent people (servants, even killed one in ch1, now strangling Jihwa's servant) but no one can act like him? If they do, they deserve death. Why Nakyum's wellbeing should be more valuable than other lowborns? What's more: only he has the right to hurt Nakyum, thank you very much. Seriously at this point Seungho judging and punishing anyone when he is so stained himself, is the biggest joke.
Also Min... his actions are incoherent. Seungho without any problem could have founded him at Jihwa's. Of course thanks to magical convenience he didn't but rather risky, don't you think?
Right and all jihwa does is , that he shows suengho that he doesn't "love" NK just wants to own him by any means necessary. It has so much potential that's the only reason I am not dropping it. The only way suengho repent himself is by cutting his own d**k
It sad but at this point, i think everyone is tired (´△｀)
I mean yes he is at some fault, but he had every right to be mad at Jiwha. He tried to kill Nakyum. And you can see the regret on his face in chapter 66
At some fault? He was abusing the guy for a big part of the story.
Why do some of you hate on Anubis? Why do you hate on everyone beside Seth and Horus? This is such an interesting, deep story with complex characters and great plotline; please don't reduce it to: our BL couple is sweet and cute, we have to protect them at all costs and everyone else, especially characters who are against them, is evil and can drop dead for all you care. There are so many great, complicated and morally grey characters. There is no need to shit on them and wish them death just because they are not on the same side as Seth.
And we have to recognize that Seth is both a victim and a ruthless tyrant.
But I'm mostly taken aback by the hate towards Anubis. The Seth's son (being a father is more than genes) was through so much pain and misery. Try to understand other sides, not only Seth's because this story has other victims with their own insight and point of view.
And Seth would be devastated by Anubis's death.
But will anubis be devastated by seth's death. Nope... The way he switched fast after knowing osiris was his real father was what made me dislike anubis. After saying bullshit about how seth should receive the punishment and that they can go back to how they were in the past as a family, crying and all. Then switches when he knew seth wasn't his father. At the end, his selfish desires were stronger than his love for seth. Imagine he chose to forget him and hate him. When seth didn't even think twice about saving him even after knowing anubis wasn't his son. Like bruh....
As I said before he has wanted to betray Seth since chapter 19.
1. He doesn't know the whole picture. He doesn't know about Osiris's betrayal. He basically thinks his father is usurper and tyrant and Osiris is a good, rightful god who helped him when he tried to commit suicide.
2. But Seth should receive punishment?
3. Why are you always comparing their love or devastation. Anubis has understandable reasons to despise Seth (although he also loves him) and he didn't hurt Seth in the past. Seth doesn't have much reasons to hate him. For him, he is his beloved, little baby. In his eyes he is still a child.
4. He couldn't grow up because of Seth's wishes for centuries. He is dying in very painful way because of Seth although Seth didn't hurt him on purpose, Anubis is still dying.
1. I'm talking about the rape.
I seriously can’t with people who see bigger problem with Taegu who never acted (as far as we know) improperly towards Yeongwoon, didn’t even hit on him as far as we know now when MC is a whole ass adult in his mid 20s than with Seo-In who is classified harmful rapist.
And don’t even start with trauma excuse
That's wott I was thinking about like what are y'all even yapping about
Right right, they tryna ruin it.
seoin isn’t a rapist tf is y’all on about whenever they had sex it was consensual
No some was non consensual. You should reread this
This!! lol
calling him a rapist is an exaggeration imo
Um no. Rape has very clear definition. You understand you can always take consent off in the middle of sex yeah? When you say no and your partner continues it’s rape. Most of their sex scenes were forceful, without any consent given, fighting the other off or even with open signalised wish to stop.