Mimi January 11, 2025 6:56 am

It’s almost like everything we’ve been saying about Ian and TJs relationship was right but ppl ignored the actual story and what was being shown cuz “he's hot” (which im not denying

Mimi January 9, 2025 5:08 am

Idk why ppl complain about side stories, you don’t have to read them they’re just extras about stuff the author wants to explore. The main story is done. If at one point the author releases a side story about characters you like then you can come back to reading it, but you’re not obligated to read every single one

    lemonkun January 9, 2025 11:59 am

    I mean, you are not obligated to talk about the complainers either but here you are.
    Free will is fun isn't it?

    I like comics January 9, 2025 2:37 pm

    Mimi Right???
    The consent complaining over something that's been done for a while is so tiring to see every single chapter

    Mimi January 9, 2025 9:45 pm
    I mean, you are not obligated to talk about the complainers either but here you are. Free will is fun isn't it? lemonkun

    Because the comment section is filled with the same ppl complaining after every new chapter…like express your disdain once and move one why make it a weekly thing when some ppl who’re enjoying the chapters acc wanna converse about it in the comments

    Mimi January 9, 2025 9:46 pm
    Mimi Right??? The consent complaining over something that's been done for a while is so tiring to see every single chapter I like comics

    Exactly it’s EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER. How many chapter into this side story are we for ppl to still be complaining why haven’t you just stopped reading it ???

    Mimi January 9, 2025 9:48 pm
    I mean, you are not obligated to talk about the complainers either but here you are. Free will is fun isn't it? lemonkun

    We’re multiple chapters into this side story they could’ve just stopped reading it like nobody is forcing you to read a side story. But every chapter they come back to the same side story with the same complaints ??? Make it make sense

    lemonkun January 9, 2025 11:23 pm
    We’re multiple chapters into this side story they could’ve just stopped reading it like nobody is forcing you to read a side story. But every chapter they come back to the same side story with the same comp... Mimi

    Idk which mob of complainers u are talking about, the majority of the readers seem to love the current season.
    And unfortunately for you, i personally am still looking for some redeeming factor in season 3. I loved this story, practically read this back in school and I'm in college now, and i wish to express my opinion and converse with people who share the same opinions as me as well, just like you.
    Perhaps you should go look or share yr positive opinion? That would make u less frustrated than looking at the people who are voicing our their critisms or just sharing an opinion opposing yours. (I mean, isn't that wat a forum like this is for?)

    Mimi January 11, 2025 6:53 am
    Idk which mob of complainers u are talking about, the majority of the readers seem to love the current season.And unfortunately for you, i personally am still looking for some redeeming factor in season 3. I lo... lemonkun

    Im not looking for it, it’s flooding the comments I’ve gone back weeks and it’s just complaints every week from the same ppl (I’ve practically memorizing their pfps).

    I’m not saying ppl aren’t allowed to voice their distaste. Logging on weekly to complain about the same side story makes no sense. Just stop reading until the story shifts to smth you may like, cuz complaining isn't gonna make that go any faster and it ruins the enjoyment for those that acc like it.

    lemonkun January 11, 2025 8:55 am
    Im not looking for it, it’s flooding the comments I’ve gone back weeks and it’s just complaints every week from the same ppl (I’ve practically memorizing their pfps).I’m not saying ppl aren’t allow... Mimi

    Honestly I'm bored of this conversation as well, since you are complaining as well.
    I did mention u can voice out yr positive opinion every week if u can't find one.

    Pray tell, let's make this positive, tell me what you enjoyed in this current chapter? I personally did think wolfgang and shin's disguise was neat.

    Also when does voicing out an opinion turn to a complaint for you? Perhaps blocking will work for you, so u won't see the pfps you have memorized.

    Mimi January 11, 2025 10:26 am
    Honestly I'm bored of this conversation as well, since you are complaining as well.I did mention u can voice out yr positive opinion every week if u can't find one.Pray tell, let's make this positive, tell me w... lemonkun

    Opinion; saying your thoughts about the current arc once then moving on. Or speaking about the chapter of that week, things you liked or didn’t. Cool.

    Complaining; weekly comments bashing the story and asking when it’s going move on to smth better. Not even engaging with the current chapter, just going on the same spiel of how you’re bored. Just wait till the story moves on, no need to continuously whine.

    I like these side stories. The main story covered our main characters well enough. Ofc I’d love more, but I enjoy seeing just silly stories expanding on the world, even if they’re not in greatly significant ways. Quiet chapters like these can be fun for me, and they’re what I normally expect of side stories.

Mimi December 28, 2024 7:57 am

What happened to those twins? Did they die?? I completely forgot

    MarcoSlyv December 28, 2024 4:51 pm

    We know one of them is going to be executed. Don't know about the other guy

Mimi December 11, 2024 7:00 am

I’ve been on the Jo ship for a minute now and-

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TJ’s new tattoos are so ugly to me so now he doesn’t even have his looks to sway me to him

    Mimi December 11, 2024 7:02 am

    Omg just realized they’re not even new I got used to how he looked in the flashback that seeing the neck tattoos looked so weird and they’re now kinda ugly to me

Mimi November 13, 2024 6:51 am

I don’t think that was actually Cirrus who sat beside him. That scene has Skylar thinking about him, and then when he says he doesn’t want to the “Cirrus” sitting on the bench sorta goes all blurry.

I think it’s just a visual representation of his thoughts of Cirrus following him around (although I could be wrong, who knows).

    Nobodyhome November 13, 2024 6:44 pm

    You’re one of the few intelligent people on here

Mimi October 21, 2024 8:51 am

I’ll start this off by saying Cirrus is by far my fav character in this series…anyways this breakup is all his fault idk how ppl are spinning this to blame Skylar as well as if they’re both in the wrong…like no…this is not to say Skylar is perfect, absolutely not. ofc he’s got things he needs to work on as well. But he’s not to blame for the breakup,,,it’s all due to Cirrus’s manipulation of all of Skylar’s relationships, which happened long before they were dating… I genuinely dk how y'all are finding a way to blame both boys for the mess that they’re in rn ppl keep bringing up Skylar’s words from last chapter and although they’re mean, that’s not why they broke up. Ppl say hurtful things when they get hurt. Doesn’t make it right but Cirrus messed up big time and Skylar got mad, rightfully so.

Ofc as readers, we know Cirrus’s character so we can understand why he acted the way he did in the past, and acc see his growth. But being able to explain his actions don’t make them right, especially because it was him messing with someone else’s life. So I don’t need ppl in my comments telling me “well you just don’t understand Cirrus!” He lied to his boyfriend and took advantage of feelings that he had. That’s a really awful thing to do, no matter how much he regrets them right now Skylar’s reaction to this newfound information is understandable. Especially considering his trauma with his old bff who lied to him.

    idkwhatimdoing October 21, 2024 12:06 pm

    i love you

    TheTissusjaune October 21, 2024 12:32 pm

    Yes and him messing up all his relationships but regretting it is what makes him so interesting tho that's sad
    I really hope they will both find a way to be in a healthy relationship, they needed this breakup

    YourNeighbourhoodFujoshi:> October 21, 2024 10:58 pm

    Tysm for saying this you get it

    Mimi October 22, 2024 2:41 am
    Yes and him messing up all his relationships but regretting it is what makes him so interesting tho that's sad I really hope they will both find a way to be in a healthy relationship, they needed this breakup TheTissusjaune

    It definitely makes it sad! Which is why a lot of us can sympathize with Cirrus because we see how much he’s changed and how much he regrets it :( but now that the truth is out, these are the consequences he has to unfortunately face :(

    I do hope it gets resolved tho

    Migrane October 22, 2024 7:07 am

    NOO I PRESSED DISLIKE SORRYY

    Roxas_Nami October 22, 2024 10:44 am

    Literally thank you so much for pointing this out

    Mimi October 23, 2024 5:48 am
    NOO I PRESSED DISLIKE SORRYY Migrane

    Haha no issue I always accidentally do this the buttons are too close to eachother

    Mimi October 23, 2024 5:52 am
    Literally thank you so much for pointing this out Roxas_Nami

    The comments after this chapter are just so confusing to me…I genuinely think ppl need to re-read the series because they definitely forgot how we got to this point…

    Mimi October 23, 2024 5:53 am
    Tysm for saying this you get it YourNeighbourhoodFujoshi:>

    It’s probably because I recently binged this series right before the breakup chapters so everything was fresh in my mind. I think ppl are forgetting how we got to this point and unjustly blaming Skylar as if he’s the one who lied

    PurpleHeart October 25, 2024 4:30 pm

    Their situationship begins the moment Cirrus caught Skylar stalking and taking pictures without Chan Il knowing anything. Chan-il is Cirrus friend. You know how dear Chan-il is to Cirrus and how Cirrus resented him for going after Skylar because Skylar reminded of him when he didn't have Chan-il in his life.
    I agree with a lot that you said about what Cirrus did and what he's going through now is only a consequence of what he has done.

    Yet I think that a lot forget how messed up Skylar was in the beginning of the story. It was what also triggered their messed up situation in the first place. As a friend... If you caught a person taking pictures of your friend without any consent it's creepy as fuck...
    You'll never want this person to be near your friend again...

    I don't want to say Skylar is at fault but it was inevitable that Skylar and Cirrus would break up with how both of them are.
    Cirrus is not dating himself. Yes he had it coming for everything he has done...
    Yet Skylar also contributed in a way to their downfall. Skylar have many wounds which are restraining him a lot in his relationship with Cirrus. The way Skylar is doesn't go well with Cirrus manipulative character. Most of times it makes them in the edge of breaking up but Cirrus would always go after him and wait for him. So yeah... I feel like this break up is not entirely Cirrus's fault. It was clearly inevitable with how Cirrus and Skylar are. But yeah Cirrus definitively had it coming.

    Personally I think it's very low of Skylar to use Cirrus's trauma to invalidate Cirrus's feelings just to prove his point.
    Cirrus had the courage to entrusted his most vulnerable state to Skylar because he believed Skylar would understand him but Skylar used it to hurt him instead.

    ecofriendlywoodveneer October 25, 2024 10:52 pm

    You're def invited to my litc birthday party ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    Mimi October 26, 2024 2:08 am
    You're def invited to my litc birthday party ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~ ecofriendlywoodveneer

    LOL I’m honoured

    Mimi October 26, 2024 3:12 am
    Their situationship begins the moment Cirrus caught Skylar stalking and taking pictures without Chan Il knowing anything. Chan-il is Cirrus friend. You know how dear Chan-il is to Cirrus and how Cirrus resented... PurpleHeart

    Skylar taking pics of Chan-il was definitely wrong and creepy, but he wasn’t stalking Chan-il and taking pics of him in compromising positions. He was just doing it at school, in a public space. Doesn’t make it any better, it’s still weird, but I’d say blackmailing someone for this is worse And again, not to sound like I’m defending Skylar because he obviously shouldn’t have been taking pictures, but that’s the art form in which he expresses himself. For example, if rather than photography, he was into poetry, he would’ve been writing poems about Chan-il. I think one is just seen are more wrong because it’s more tangible? Idk.
    Anyways that’s besides the point, Cirrus deciding to handle this issue by blackmailing Skylar is definitely taking things to the next level. He was doing this to protect his friend, but also partially for his own enjoyment.

    And his blackmailing was also REALLY HARSH. He literally sexually assaulted him (when he forced Skylar to kiss him in front of his step mom and her friends). This unknowingly triggered Skylar due to his trauma. And when Skylar was visibly distressed and started having a panic attack, Cirrus was just terrible to him in the moment and the next few chapters that followed

    Like I said, I’m not saying Skylar is perfect, he definitely has many things to work on and overcome, but I feel like ppl tend to forget how their relationship was before they officially started dating. Skylar doesn’t just randomly act like this towards Cirrus, but because he knows his character, he was literally being blackmailed by him For the most part, after they started dating, whenever Skylar was in the wrong he tried to own up to his mistakes. For example, when he got scared of being seen in public with Cirrus and had him hide out in the bathroom, he later apologized to Cirrus and asked how to make it up for him. Cirrus expressed he gets jealous and needs reassurance, so later on when Chan-il asked Skylar to go to an art show together, he declined….this moment does get ruined by Cirrus tho because Skylar then finds out that he blocked Chan-il’s number from his phone…they get into a whole fight and then eventually, BOTH apologize to one another for how they acted.

    And btw in that scene ^^^ Cirrus uses Skylar’s trauma against him to prove HIS point. And I feel like Cirrus was way more in the wrong because:
    -1. Skylar had yet to open up to him about what happened, so for him to throw it in Skylar’s face as a « gotcha » moment when HE was the one in the wrong for blocking Chan-il was horrible. You could see how much that threw Skylar off guard because he obviously hadn’t been comfortable to share it yet.
    -2. Cirrus was tryna validate his own insecurities by using Skylar’s trauma as ammunition against him.

    Skylar’s words from a few chapters ago were obviously very harsh and not excusable, but in that moment, Cirrus did something equally as harsh and in-excusable (I’d say even worse tbh). He said those things, not to validate his own insecurities, but because he got screwed over by someone he loved and reacted viscerally. His reaction to finding out he’s been lied to this whole time is understandable (still shouldn’t be excused).

    I definitely do agree that their breakup was inevitable, but that’s because it’s formed off of lies and manipulation from Cirrus’s end. As the relationship progressed, they did both try to get better. They started apologizing to one another and being more careful with their actions as to not hurt the other. They were never going to be perfect, but they were both trying to better themselves. But something built off of rocky foundations doesn’t last. Had Cirrus not manipulated things from even before they started dating and kept that all a lie, they might’ve had a chance.

    Mimi October 26, 2024 3:21 am
    Their situationship begins the moment Cirrus caught Skylar stalking and taking pictures without Chan Il knowing anything. Chan-il is Cirrus friend. You know how dear Chan-il is to Cirrus and how Cirrus resented... PurpleHeart

    and one last thing to add on; I don’t think Skylar was using Cirrus’s trauma to invalidate Cirrus’s feelings. In that moment, he’s just found out that he’s been lied to about a handful of things and was basically a puppet in Cirrus’s master plan. To him, only someone so cold could do something like this to someone they claim to love. Especially because he had full faith in Cirrus that this was all a lie Dongsik cooked up. Skylar wasn’t using it to hurt him, to him, it was an explanation for his actions. He couldn’t trust Cirrus anymore, of course he’s not going to believe his apology (right away at least). This wasn’t the first time he’s been lied to by Cirrus either, so these things add up and culminated into one explosive moment.

    As readers, we know that Cirrus has truly changed, but to someone who was blackmailed by him, to dating him only to find out that he’s still being toyed with, it’s hard not to make connections with one’s trauma and their actions. It’s still a terrible terrible thing to say to someone, but I really can’t fault him for reacting like that.

    PurpleHeart October 26, 2024 5:31 am

    Firstly I really am thankful for you replying in a respectful manner... It may be seen as an over exaggeration but it means a lot in times were debating or having diverged opinions on Internet can lead to direct conflicts.

    Back to the topic... I acknowledge your point. For instance I already agreed before with you about how Cirrus's actions were leading both of them in this direction of their relationship.
    However I feel like pointing only fingers at Cirrus would not be right because their relationship belongs to the both of them. They both have twisted issues which leaded them to this very moment of their relationship. Their relationship were founded in a messed up way by the both of them which tangled everything in the process.

    For the topic of Skylar... I really want to say that I agree with a lot that you said about Cirrus (in a way) so I will focus more on Skylar because our points of views are pretty similar for Cirrus.
    What I want to say about Skylar is that the problem here is that he didn't choose poetry to express himself about what he feels about Chan-il. What he chose to do was taking illegal pictures of the one he loves ,constantly, in a repetitive and methodical manner.
    Also I don't think what Skylar did to Chan-il was a form of art that he chose to express himself. If he truly chosen photography as a form of art to express himself he could have taken pictures of what reminds him of his love for Chan-il. It would be more profound and research on... Why Skylar felt frightened to be discovered by someone if it was just him expressing himself through the pictures he has taken of Chan-il without any consent ? If Skylar truly wanted to express himself through these pictures he would not felt this ashamed and scared to be caught. What Skylar wanted was simply a way to have a bit of Chan-il to himself.

    This first real interaction between Skylar and Cirrus already announced a very complicated start for the both of them but this is also why their relationship could have been made possible because their encounter hidden both of their trauma which forged them and lead them to one and another. I don't think they could have a chance to be a couple or even be friends before their relationship if Cirrus was not manipulative because Cirrus being an ass was one of the reason why they could connected their path to meet.

    Skylar have many issues which makes Cirrus,a lot of times, miserable. We can see Cirrus expressing his love for Skylar in words and actions. Skylar have past trauma that makes him unable to answer or reassure Cirrus. Skylar never proved to Cirrus that he truly loves him. Rejecting Chan-il proposition for an outing when both of them are alone doesn't reassure Cirrus at all... Skylar always push Cirrus even if he apologize later on... Skylar would always prioritize the gaze of other people over Cirrus. Skylar can't be seen alone with Cirrus but with Chan-il Skylar have no problem with it ? Cirrus doesn't needed this kind of reassurance at all. Not when Skylar keeps pushing him away when they're alone but he seems pretty fine with Chan-il and at the idea of being alone with Chan-il.
    Even more when Skylar told Cirrus after their fight that he was just a second option for him because he couldn't have Chan-il. Tell me if I am wrong but Skylar never denied that to Cirrus in the end so Cirrus move on with this thought in mind to the next step in their relationship.

    In the end what Skylar gave to Cirrus wasn't reassurance but affirmation of Cirrus's doubt and fed even more Cirrus inferiority towards Chan-il. So yeah they were bound to fall...

    Also Cirrus could never use Skylar trauma against him because Skylar never told him anything about it in contrary to Cirrus who told Skylar everything. Cirrus could only makes assumptions with the picture he saw from Skylar's graduation album so Skylar's trauma couldn't be a justification either a validation for Cirrus's narrative because Cirrus doesn't even know precisely what trauma Skylar have... The only way I could see it as true is how Cirrus felt hurt by using Minwoo for expressing how little Skylar talks about himself to Cirrus or how Skylar wouldn't open up to him even if Cirrus offered his heart to Skylar.
    He mentioned Minwoo because he wanted Skylar to know how he felt jealous of the one who made him suffer because Cirrus felt like he would never have the same impact on Skylar's life and, mostly, how insignificant he truly is compared to the one who Skylar hold dear in his heart, even now.

    I would argue about Skylar trying to better himself when he keeps prioritizing other and himself over Cirrus and how his trauma still affects him a lot in his own life and decisions in life. Skylar is still stuck in the past and we can see how violent he becomes when Minwoo is mentioned by name.
    In the last chapter we see Cirrus going through the consequences of his own actions but Skylar have to still face the consequences of his own. (We never saw Skylar makes up for what he did to Chan-il either...)

    Mimi October 26, 2024 6:58 am

    Haha ofc! And thank you for being respectful as well there really is no need to get all angry about ppls differing opinions on a webtoon series

    We do agree on most things anyways but I guess just some things we see in different perspectives. For example, while yes, a relationship is a two way street and it takes two to tango, this relationship started off with Cirrus orchestrating a bunch of things behind Skylar’s back. Had he not done that, who knows if they’d be in a relationship. It didn’t start off as a natural one, so in this case I don’t really agree with the point of the relationship belonging to the both of them. Cirrus pulled the strings behind the scenes to get them into this relationship.

    I think my point about the whole poetry/photography thing was a little misconstrued. What I meant by it was poetry is a form of self expression, just how photography is as well (and it’s spoken about in the series many times). Of course there’s other ways that he could’ve used photography to express his emotions as you mentioned, taking pictures of someone without their consent is wrong, but obviously he was blinded by his feelings. I just meant to draw that comparison cuz I found it interesting how writing poems about someone probably wouldn’t get the same backlash as taking pics. Regardless of whether it was poems of photos, I think the story would’ve played out the same way because to Skylar, these are more than pictures but an expression of his feelings and he wouldn’t want them to be public. He took those photos cuz he had a crush. Simple as that (again still not right but ppl do dumb things when they have crushes. At least they’re not compromising photos and they’re all in public spaces- still weird but I think there’s more nuance than just “oh he was creepily stalking Chan-il”).

    It’s true their messy past is what brought them together, but Cirrus being an asshole to Skylar’s face while he was blackmailing him vs lying and going behind Skylar’s back AFTER he’d given back the flash drive are two totally different things. One was done to Skylar’s face, while the other was done without his knowledge and hurt him badly. To find out that your current boyfriend orchestrated a bunch of things that hurt you just so that you two could start dating is rough Right now, Skylar is mad about the lying. So even if their relationship started off with the blackmailing, after that was over with, had Cirrus not manipulated Skylar’s relationships with ppl, I don’t think we would’ve ended up here.

    I spoke of this in another comment but I’m really missing what ppl are seeing when they say Skylar never expressed his feelings/ cared for Cirrus ?? He’s done it plenty times, even before they started dating, such as that one time where he camped out with Cirrus at the spa after Cirrus chocked his step-mom. Cirrus was full on crashing out and pushing Skylar away but Skylar stayed because he was worried, and he verbalized this to Cirrus. Once things calmed down, he kept checking up on how he was doing without pressuring him to explain what’s going on. Even Cirrus tells Skylar that’s he’s the first one to ever care (again, it happens before they started dating so Skylar had no obligation to stay the night, he could’ve gone home).

    Then the first chapter after they started dating, he brought over the fireworks so that they can celebrate it together since Cirrus had missed the festival. When Cirrus talked about how it’s lonely living alone but he’s used to it so it should be fine, Skylar suggested they live together during college so they he’s not lonely anymore and they can take care of eachother. He cares for only others gaze? He went and got a haircut for Cirrus despite him feeling more comfortable with long hair since he can’t hide behind it When that kid from Cirrus’ elementary school tried to confront Cirrus, Skylar immediately tried comforting him by leading him away from the situation. When they continued to be followed he got angry on his behalf and got into a fight (this is before knowing Cirrus’ backstory. He had no context to why the kid was mad but just didn’t like how he was treating Cirrus). Skylar never pushed him about the topic of his past, saying it didn’t matter since it was in the past. And then when Cirrus does tell him, he sees through the facade Cirrus puts up and instead he comforts him and tells him it’s not his fault that any of that happened to him. Him declining to hangout with Chan-il, despite them being friends before he started dating Cirrus, was him understanding and acknowledging Cirrus’ feelings of jealousy (and they both apologize for that right at school, so Cirrus doesn’t move on with the relationship with all that in mind).

    Cirrus did try to use his trauma against him. Even if he didn’t know it for sure, the fact that Cirrus that he was bringing it up in a situation where he was being confronted for lying was him tryna use it. He knew it was a sensitive topic yet still brought it up just to validate his insecurities. Skylar was visibly distressed, he told him to stop, yet he kept going.

    I agree with you in the sense that Skylar was always paranoid to be seen with Cirrus because he didn’t want to be outted again, but he does acknowledge this and apologize for it. Like that one time where they went on the movie date to make it up to Cirrus after he’d pushed him away at school. Obviously he’s not perfect and still lets his past of being outed haunt him every now and the (like the example of him having Cirrus hide out in the bathe room), but to say he never even tried and just constantly pushed Cirrus away is erroneous. We barely get any chapters of them dating tbh but from what we got, they both did try to better themselves. Even Skylar deciding to trust Cirrus’ word and believe he had a reason for everything, despite his trauma of being screwed over by his old bff, is huge growth. Both Dongsik and Chan-il told Skylar, but he places his trust in Cirrus. That was him prioritizing Cirrus. Him trying to move on from the past by not jumping to conclusions. For the same outcome to occur and him to be wrong in placing his trust in someone is pretty shitty.

    Cirrus is more obsessive/outward with his love (makes sense considering his backstory) which I think throws most ppl off into believing he likes him more. He also technically had been crushing for a longer period of time since he had been planning everything while Skylar was still in his hater phase because of the blackmailing

    lol anyways it’s been fun reading what you have to say and your perspective on things! I think tho at this point we can see where each other is coming from and be fine with disagreeing

    Mimi October 26, 2024 7:00 am
    Firstly I really am thankful for you replying in a respectful manner... It may be seen as an over exaggeration but it means a lot in times were debating or having diverged opinions on Internet can lead to direc... PurpleHeart

    Haha ofc! And thank you for being respectful as well there really is no need to get all angry about ppls differing opinions on a webtoon series

    We do agree on most things anyways but I guess just some things we see in different perspectives. For example, while yes, a relationship is a two way street and it takes two to tango, this relationship started off with Cirrus orchestrating a bunch of things behind Skylar’s back. Had he not done that, who knows if they’d be in a relationship. It didn’t start off as a natural one, so in this case I don’t really agree with the point of the relationship belonging to the both of them. Cirrus pulled the strings behind the scenes to get them into this relationship.

    I think my point about the whole poetry/photography thing was a little misconstrued. What I meant by it was poetry is a form of self expression, just how photography is as well (and it’s spoken about in the series many times). Of course there’s other ways that he could’ve used photography to express his emotions as you mentioned, taking pictures of someone without their consent is wrong, but obviously he was blinded by his feelings. I just meant to draw that comparison cuz I found it interesting how writing poems about someone probably wouldn’t get the same backlash as taking pics. Regardless of whether it was poems of photos, I think the story would’ve played out the same way because to Skylar, these are more than pictures but an expression of his feelings and he wouldn’t want them to be public. He took those photos cuz he had a crush. Simple as that (again still not right but ppl do dumb things when they have crushes (this + his trauma can explain half of Cirrus’ actions LOL). At least they’re not compromising photos and they’re all in public spaces- still weird but I think there’s more nuance than just “oh he was creepily stalking Chan-il”).

    It’s true their messy past is what brought them together, but Cirrus being an asshole to Skylar’s face while he was blackmailing him vs lying and going behind Skylar’s back AFTER he’d given back the flash drive are two totally different things. One was done to Skylar’s face, while the other was done without his knowledge and hurt him badly. To find out that your current boyfriend orchestrated a bunch of things that hurt you just so that you two could start dating is rough Right now, Skylar is mad about the lying. So even if their relationship started off with the blackmailing, after that was over with, had Cirrus not manipulated Skylar’s relationships with ppl, I don’t think we would’ve ended up here.

    I spoke of this in another comment but I’m really missing what ppl are seeing when they say Skylar never expressed his feelings/ cared for Cirrus ?? He’s done it plenty times, even before they started dating, such as that one time where he camped out with Cirrus at the spa after Cirrus chocked his step-mom. Cirrus was full on crashing out and pushing Skylar away but Skylar stayed because he was worried, and he verbalized this to Cirrus. Once things calmed down, he kept checking up on how he was doing without pressuring him to explain what’s going on. Even Cirrus tells Skylar that’s he’s the first one to ever care (again, it happens before they started dating so Skylar had no obligation to stay the night, he could’ve gone home).

    Then the first chapter after they started dating, he brought over the fireworks so that they can celebrate it together since Cirrus had missed the festival. When Cirrus talked about how it’s lonely living alone but he’s used to it so it should be fine, Skylar suggested they live together during college so they he’s not lonely anymore and they can take care of eachother. He cares for only others gaze? He went and got a haircut for Cirrus despite him feeling more comfortable with long hair since he can’t hide behind it When that kid from Cirrus’ elementary school tried to confront Cirrus, Skylar immediately tried comforting him by leading him away from the situation. When they continued to be followed he got angry on his behalf and got into a fight (this is before knowing Cirrus’ backstory. He had no context to why the kid was mad but just didn’t like how he was treating Cirrus). Skylar never pushed him about the topic of his past, saying it didn’t matter since it was in the past. And then when Cirrus does tell him, he sees through the facade Cirrus puts up and instead he comforts him and tells him it’s not his fault that any of that happened to him. Him declining to hangout with Chan-il, despite them being friends before he started dating Cirrus, was him understanding and acknowledging Cirrus’ feelings of jealousy (and they both apologize for that right at school, so Cirrus doesn’t move on with the relationship with all that in mind).

    Cirrus did try to use his trauma against him. Even if he didn’t know it for sure, the fact that Cirrus that he was bringing it up in a situation where he was being confronted for lying was him tryna use it. He knew it was a sensitive topic yet still brought it up just to validate his insecurities. Skylar was visibly distressed, he told him to stop, yet he kept going.

    I agree with you in the sense that Skylar was always paranoid to be seen with Cirrus because he didn’t want to be outted again, but he does acknowledge this and apologize for it. Like that one time where they went on the movie date to make it up to Cirrus after he’d pushed him away at school. Obviously he’s not perfect and still lets his past of being outed haunt him every now and the (like the example of him having Cirrus hide out in the bathe room), but to say he never even tried and just constantly pushed Cirrus away is erroneous. We barely get any chapters of them dating tbh but from what we got, they both did try to better themselves. Even Skylar deciding to trust Cirrus’ word and believe he had a reason for everything, despite his trauma of being screwed over by his old bff, is huge growth. Both Dongsik and Chan-il told Skylar, but he places his trust in Cirrus. That was him prioritizing Cirrus. Him trying to move on from the past by not jumping to conclusions. For the same outcome to occur and him to be wrong in placing his trust in someone is pretty shitty.

    Cirrus is more obsessive/outward with his love (makes sense considering his backstory) which I think throws most ppl off into believing he likes him more. He also technically had been crushing for a longer period of time since he had been planning everything while Skylar was still in his hater phase because of the blackmailing

    lol anyways it’s been fun reading what you have to say and your perspective on things! I think tho at this point we can see where each other is coming from and be fine with disagreeing ♀ tbh, my main reason for posting the initial post was because all the comments were treating Cirrus like a saint that hadn’t done anything wrong at all…which is absolutely not true I don’t think there’s a single person in this story who’s never done anything wrong haha anyways you’re free to reply, I think I’ll end it on my part here, I don’t have it in me to write another long post LOL

    PurpleHeart October 27, 2024 4:08 am
    Haha ofc! And thank you for being respectful as well there really is no need to get all angry about ppls differing opinions on a webtoon series We do agree on most things anyways but I guess just some things we... Mimi

    No really... It was very interesting and insightful to me because I was able to read another insight for a manwha that I really like ! Thank you for your honesty.

    Your points are very grounded and as you said before we can tell where our very own perspectives diverged.
    I would like to thank you for taking the time to reply to me and when I red your reply I could see that you really took the time to read my reply entirely so I also wanted to express that I appreciate it !

    Truthfully... I can understand where you're coming from. Cirrus is clearly no saint... He was made more human and flawed when any kind of saint couldn't been. This is the beauty of Lost In The Cloud. There's no villains... Just two characters who are flawed and amidst that they encountered each other.

Mimi October 18, 2024 10:12 pm

This chapter encapsulates everything I’ve been saying about TJ and Ian’s relationship for months but ppl were too hung up on ships wars to actually dissect what the story was showing us their relationship, albeit an interesting one, is a toxic mess. But they’re sorta like each others vices because they went through the most traumatizing moments of their lives together so they cope using one another. It’s unhealthy, and depressing and the only way to heal is let go, although that’s easier said than done.

Mimi October 3, 2024 4:11 am

This chapter makes it all the more obvious that TJ and Ian’s relationship just started off very messy. It’s the way Ian’s using TJ’s feelings in this moment to escape what he’s feeling atm, just looking at the helmet reminded him of what he’s done and who he’s become. This is not to say Ian doesn’t care for TJ, ofc he does. It’s just that the longer this went on, the more toxic it got. Without addressing their issues, there’s no way a healthy relationship can grow. They’re bound by trauma :(

Mimi August 31, 2024 7:41 pm

I feel like a lot of you read this story with a specific agenda and then twist things to fit what you want…instead of reading the story as is and interpreting what the author is tryna put down…and this is gonna make yall be very disappointed in the long run

(And this is not to say I 100% fully understand what the author is intending but I read this story unbiased like I saw a comment talking about how Ian using the word “dull” instead of “ease” means he’s not happy with Jo and like…yall Ian has been on fight or flight mode his whole life and with Jo he’s feeling relaxed for once but he doesn’t understand that himself. Does that mean they’ll end up together? Who knows. But there’s very clear reasoning as to why he uses that word. You can literally see him tryna understand and process his emotions and being confused this whole chapter)

    LaNansha August 31, 2024 8:47 pm

    For someone in Ian’s situation, having his senses go dull isn’t exactly a good thing. We know this because we’ve seen the direction that other characters are taking in the story. He’s wondering if it’s a good thing because that’s never happened before. If this story had stopped having the gang and danger elements to it where Ian is concerned, “dull” is most likely not a term that he would use to describe how he’s feeling. “I feel safe, I feel at ease,” wild reflect that sentiment better. The purpose of using a term like “dull” here is for readers not to be taken aback if someone has the jump on him when he’s usually so sharp and alert. It’s so he can realize it for himself later on if it happens.

    Mimi September 1, 2024 3:22 am
    For someone in Ian’s situation, having his senses go dull isn’t exactly a good thing. We know this because we’ve seen the direction that other characters are taking in the story. He’s wondering if it’... LaNansha

    This is exactly what I’m talking about but wtv you can read into it wtv way you want

    LaNansha September 1, 2024 3:13 pm
    This is exactly what I’m talking about but wtv you can read into it wtv way you want Mimi

    The point is the choice of words matter given the overall temperature of the story. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see whether his senses going dull will be a good or bad thing by the time the Jamie and Chris plot unfolds.

    Mimi September 2, 2024 2:24 am
    The point is the choice of words matter given the overall temperature of the story. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see whether his senses going dull will be a good or bad thing by the time the Jamie and ... LaNansha

    We already knew the story is building up toward smth before this chapter. His choice of words could have a double meaning (he’s relaxed and also not about to sense what’s to come), doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing.

    LaNansha September 2, 2024 4:23 am
    We already knew the story is building up toward smth before this chapter. His choice of words could have a double meaning (he’s relaxed and also not about to sense what’s to come), doesn’t mean it’s a b... Mimi

    His reaction to that happening would be the key point in whether it was a bad thing or now. He’s usually sharp and aware of his surroundings. When someone like that thinks their senses have gotten dull, that means they’re less prone to be as alert as they usually are. So a situation they would normally spot a mile away won’t be as obvious to them because their senses won’t be as sharp, which then might lead them not to react as quickly as they normally would. That’s at least how I understand it. We’ll see whether that’s a fair assessment or not down the line.

Mimi June 1, 2024 8:29 am

A skipped a few chapters, who’s Min?

    Licht June 1, 2024 11:00 am

    I'm as confused as you are coz i marinated it for too long and i forgot which chapter i ended so i just started at the new season

    Geek Goddess June 1, 2024 3:15 pm

    It depends on which Min you're talking about. There's our MC, Min Joon and his cousin is Ha Min.

    Then you have Min Kangho, who is the boyfriend of Yang Hae and the cousin to Kang Doontaek.

    Mimi June 1, 2024 5:44 pm
    It depends on which Min you're talking about. There's our MC, Min Joon and his cousin is Ha Min. Then you have Min Kangho, who is the boyfriend of Yang Hae and the cousin to Kang Doontaek. Geek Goddess

    i meant the one with Kenta in this chapter. Ik that’s not the cousin, or Kangho so I got confused

    Mimi June 1, 2024 5:55 pm
    I'm as confused as you are coz i marinated it for too long and i forgot which chapter i ended so i just started at the new season Licht

    Same lol couldn’t remember where I stopped so I skimmed through the last half of s1 to remember it and just started from s2

    Nid June 2, 2024 12:59 am
    i meant the one with Kenta in this chapter. Ik that’s not the cousin, or Kangho so I got confused Mimi

    I think it’s the lawyer Min that Kenta is into ?? I think so but really it’s difficult keeping up with the characters in the manhwa !!

    Geek Goddess June 2, 2024 1:52 am
    i meant the one with Kenta in this chapter. Ik that’s not the cousin, or Kangho so I got confused Mimi

    The names and maybe who's related to who, I get; and a commenter below listed them for us so, that was a lotta help. But as far as matching those names to the respective face....that's a different story.

    I'm gonna be honest with you--and I'm not even trying to be funny--no matter what color the hair is or if they have on glasses/don't have glasses or what kinda clothes they wear, everybody looks like the same person to me, except Min Joon. Even Joon's mama and brothers are added into the mix. For some reason, everybody has the same face to me. Toma used to be added with Min Joon as one who I can distinguishfrom others, but now we have Dong and sometimes even those two look alike. LOL

    Kai June 2, 2024 8:57 am
    The names and maybe who's related to who, I get; and a commenter below listed them for us so, that was a lotta help. But as far as matching those names to the respective face....that's a different story. I'm go... Geek Goddess

    The artist has same face syndrome! Honestly, it's quite common in bl..

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