Hopeless_shipper's Questions (362)

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/barbarities/ (not a crybaby but he looks so pretty when he's tortured lmao)
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/mission_friend_escape/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/home_ep/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/golden_pair_craeyon/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_dawn_split_the_night_ilovecheetos/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/red_string_quests/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_coast_of_the_waves/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/boss_bitch_baby/

Dawn Of The Dragon

Ooh I've read that one. A bit too smutty imo but that's just cause it's not what I look for in a story. The art was gorgeous and they had a good relationship :)

Thanks!!

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_missing_o/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hardcore_vanilla/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_virgin_witch/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/our_team_is_last_place_anyway/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sweet_dream/ the second couple has this dynamic

For all of these, the fl has had multiple partners but an ex does not appeared

suddenly became a princesse one day

Try this: https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/confidentiality_1/

Go to A03 or wattpad girl.

Thanks

?

This is neither helpful nor does it make sense but

What I said is helpful ,there are lots of stories about an FL being a player and then meeting an innocent ML on Wattpad. Go on, but what?

Alright? Ther are also tons of stories like that here.

Bet there are movies with that premise too. Video games, published novels, YouTube miniseries etc etc.

So what?

Tons? show em?

Um, no? I'm not gonna go compile a list for you with that attitude lmao.

Believe me or don't idc

Girl are u deadass? I don't need a list but you do. Are you having a brain aneurysm?

I was asking for recs because I enjoy the trope...not because I've never encountered it before.

Believe me or don't but there are mangas/manhwas with like that out there. Not as common as the opposite, but there is. I don't get what's so hard to grasp?


If YOU or someone else wants a compilations of stories I've read like that, I'd be happy to provide a list, provided I'm asked nicely.


Honestly maybe I'm just misunderstanding you and you meant your comment to be helpful in the way sometimes there's something tangential to what op is asking that you think they'd like, but I read it in a dismissive tone as in "what are you asking here for, go to AO3 or whatpad for that girl" when those are mainly for fanfiction and not what I'm looking for...

Is that what happened? Were u trying to be nice?

Oh my god *chokes you to death* Let’s never interact again.

I was trying to see if I was just misunderstanding your comment and offer an olive branch :(

But alright, back to enemies it is.


100000000 mega punches and you die of dysentery

Try these maybe
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/capture_manhwa/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/jiwoo_s_master_jealov/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_fantasy_the_queen/ ABO with futanari!

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sadistic_beauty/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/xx_archive/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/totem_realm/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/feel_as_much_as_you_know/ Second couple / body swap

Thank you but I feel I need to specify once more that I need fml to fall completely in love

If I saw any of the fml's there Im afraid I'd fistfight them behind a parking lot.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond and curate a list for me tho I hope you have a nice day

non refundable alpha

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/boku_to_koi_no_hanashi_wa_shinaika/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/highest_order/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_strongly_surprise/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/a_love_contract_with_the_devil/

Daytime star

this is such a good take ngl

IVE BEEN THINKING THIS FOR YEARSSS ILY, its why i cant stand the omegaverse
What a lot of ppl enjoy ab the omegaverse is the heat/breeding aspect, whole soulmate thing, and pregnancy for anyone

For a female omegaverse they can still explore their relationship with all these parts and cis women still cant get each other pregnant irl. Also it depends on the creator, like a creator might make it so female alphas dont have a womb to carry a child or something
But the worldbuilding/lore aspect can be off

no joke, I always think about this and as a girl maybe that also explains why I'm always so invested in omegaverse stories. you just explained my thoughts and questions in the most perfect way possible so thank you for that lol

Haha im the opposite

If it's true that women read omegaverse because they want to see men going through the same things they do then I find that really weird. Personally I find it painful reading about a man going through the crap women go through on a daily basis and worse, especially since most of the time omegas are depicted as innocent and look feminine. I think people just want to read het porn but without the women.

I agree with everything you said (￣∇￣")
Anyway:
There are, but the ones I found were mostly korean novels without manhwa adaptation and untranslated, so I don't think people are very interested in them (probably for the reasons you listed). The only manhwa I know with an omega female lead is this: https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/which_alpha_do_you_want_to_play_with/
There are a few with a female alpha and male omega couple but that doesn't fit with what you're asking because it's still the same concept of 'switching gender situations'. There were some GLs as well, but I haven't read them so I don't remember which and it still involves female alphas so nevermind

as a girl that reads omegaverse, i also would find that kinda weird and i personally just read it for fun - but tbh i kind of still would understand why, since i think it's probably not about wanting to see men going through that pain but rather maybe understanding the social struggles and how it's not made up problems by feminists (since many men think that way) but yeah man idk myself what to think and what not LMAOO but what you said at the end could also be true for some stories where it's not about plot but rather p0rn

This is an interesting take, and tbh it WOULD be interesting to see a switch of gender to portray discrimination and social struggles but barely any omega verse BLs focus on that... those mangas are more so rampant with rape and it kinda uses the secondary genders as a tool for justification / victim blaming (omega's pheromones so the alpha couldn't help himself) so that the author can write noncon in so I just find it ickyyy personally

I don't necessarily see it as women wanting to see men suffer like them, but I can see how omegaverse probably came to be due to a juxtaposition of women's struggles on men, probably because women wanted to read BL but still identify better with the main character.
I personally don't read it for either reason, I don't even particularly care about the mpreg (don't kill me), I just find the dynamics and the concept of bond interesting to read (when it's healthy)

I HATE THATTTT
And it doesn't have to necessarily be like that, it's the author's choice. There are quite a few omegaverses that have a very healthy relationship without rape, so there's no justification for that trope

But you don't really need omega verse for that?(Except the pregnancy for everyone part but I have weird feelings about pregnancy in general so imma ignore that for now)

Like, there are other genres with "heats" if what u want is the sudden sex craze. And even then again, I can't speak for men but plenty of women go though not exactly a heat but a period of heightened arousal because of their hormones before their period.

As for the soulmate thing I think some author's add that but it's not obligatory in the genre. You could just as perfectly wrote a soulmate au without adding omega verse.

Ik it's written mostly for the hornyness but like. Idk. It's literally the day to day plights of women but (slightly) exaggerated and on men

Yeah that's why I'm mostly asking about straight omega verse.

Cause in my mind omega verse = sexism, so a straight omega verse is like...sexism²?? If that makes sense.


idk I guess it depends on some author's but like as a whole it just...

Lol I'm glad.

Why do you like it though? Can I ask?

YESSS you're so right!!

Yeah maybe. I think it's a bit of both?

People want to read het porn without women(and I think that's the cause of a blend of fetishism and sexism) but also I do think it's a way for some to buffer out the empathy in a way?

Like, as girls, we've basically all goes through some form of SA or harassment before. At school, work, public transport, whatever. So maybe reading about women in those situations makes it more realistic and therefore painful? If it's a man since it statistically doesn't happen often they can treat it as just a story.

Just my two cents

Lmaoooo

See I'd understand it if everyone read omega verse but let's face it, almost everyone who reads it are girls.

There's no need to deconstruct it when we as girls already know what it's like to live in a patriarchal society.


Sure wish we could force men to read it from tike to time tho. Might just give them the littlest bit of empathy lol

I've also heard of a theory that one of the reasons why BL is so popular among teenage girls is because it allows them to explore their sexuality in a more subtle way, because they would not relate directly to the main character (who usually assumes the submissive "feminine" bottom role) but can still unconsciously use them as a self insert, so their gender is essentially the "buffer"

Exactly. As much as I hate omegaverse I can see the tiniest potential for an opportunity to write a story that explores societal issues and injustice. But the way the genre currently exists I don't see any redeeming quality. It's just a way for authors to write rape scenes and justify them. The number of times I've seen comments like "what did you expect guys he was in a rut he couldn't control his instincts!!" is insane.

Idk why this reminded me of the fact that the first omega verse story was a supernatural fanfic


Lol. But also if what you like is the bonds aspect, isn't soulmate stories better?

UR SO RIGHTT, thing is i love seeing portrayals of discimination in stories and the way so many authors portray these themes and integrate them into a story, i think ones that come to mind r like beastars, aot, hunger games. But i dont like the way its done in the omegaverse

hahsh :P
and sure you may, but to be honest i'm not so sure myself loll
i think it's mainly because i developed a reading obsession so i just read whatever story there is no matter how good or bad (unfortunately) lmaoo,
but for omegaverse specifically i really think that i read just for fun - when i first came across omegaverse i was stunned like really really confused and maybe even weirded out, but after reading more and understanding the concept (even though it's kinda...unique?) i started developing an interest, so i think it's just that -
but I sometimes really do have some serious thoughts about it in the back of my head when reading, just like you already stated your opinion in the beginning so yeahh
I hope that this answered your question

woah this is actually a mindblowing take i might need to let that sink in and reflect a bit LMAOOO

Maybe ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Id heard that theory before and it makes sense.

But if they want to self insert why not just read BG stories? After a while when you've explored enough, what's the use of turning those "omegas" into a women in all but name?

Loll im not a fan of the omegaverse so i cant speak for everyone but i agree def. Tho i think its that the omegaverse is an easier tool for them to have *all* of this and have a simple page explaining the lore and thats it, with other universes or realistic stories it might require more

Also i want to add to the sex craze, i think its also ab having the characters be on a primal instict type of thing, a lot of ppl have predator/prey kinks, (primal play)

I know this stuff doesnt apply to everyone tho, some ppl just enjoy the concept of it all

I like those as well, but the whole distinction and dynamic between alpha, omega and beta is also interesting to see, minus the rape parts (even better if they're not classic omega uke x alpha seme stories, I'm having a blast collecting all the unusual omegaverse pairings )

Yup I think the issue with omega verse is that it was never intended to portray the social issues anyway. It is, or was originally, just a smut device which itself is rooted in objectification of gay men

Wait, this is so interesting and it also makes so much sense!!

There are stories that explore it.

Majority of abo is straight up porn() but there definetly is.

I just don't see the point of writing about injustices in a made up society made to mirror sexism when....real life sexism is right there?

Far be it for me to dictate what anyone writes but women go through so much, you have so much material that would have an actual impact because a lot of times sexism isn't as cut and dry ABO stories make it. Even the ones that try to explore it write about it like an intro to feminism seminar to stop domestic violence abusers from hitting their girlfriends its

Idk I'm a hater so my opinions are a bit skewed in that regard

Ahhh straight omegaverse is very fetish/kink based i think, many explore male alphas as there are exceptions and all that but youll know better if a fan of it tells u hahah
But it can explore male omega/female alpha pairs as well

OHHH I see. Yeah I agree on the predator/prey kink it's hard to fulfill that anywhere else if that's what some ppl like about it

I think u hit the nail on the head with this one

Maybe because it makes it too real? even when omegaverse portrays omega men similarly to a woman, it still allows them to maintain a distance from the character and explore their fantasies without directly involving (their) female body because it is still a man, not a woman. Even though western societies are very sexually liberated, I think "sexual desire is a taboo!" and the pressures for a girl to be pure is still surprisingly common. Not that this makes it right in any way but yeah

I'm just imagining. A straight omega verse with the typical plot points they sprinkle in sometimes to disguise how it's just straight up porn, like telling an omega they're only good for having children when women already hear it on the daily .

Like no shit.

I've read plenty of straight (non abo) stories where the female lead already hears that, omega verse quite literally changes nothing

Oh yes thisss, some ppl have done research on it and i agree, i wanna add that a lot of cultures, religions and just the world dont allow women to explore their sexualities, and make them feel shame, excluded and repressed, this was one of the foundations to how yaoi came to be, and why dark romance is so popular among women, its an outlet to explore the most taboo of topics and inner feelings/kinks but in a space you wont be forced to repress it or have men be violent towards you. Im not gonna get into why people develop dark kinks or desires tho thats a really long topic and complicated

I see some potential in maybe a dystopian story. Dystopias usually present real issues but exaggerated to the extreme. Though you're right I'm only grasping at straws here because I genuinely can't think of 1 good thing about the omegaverse genre. No matter how much I try to wrap a my head around why people like it the only conclusions I can come up with are fetishisation and heteronormativity.

Yeah and it does make sense, but it is problematic imo bc even though it isn't perpetuating violence against women, it is doing so with another marginalised group, so gay men are essentially caught in the 'crossfire'. That's why I can't get behind it, because in creating a safe space for women to explore their desires, we've done reinforced stereotypes, misrepresentation and fetishisation

I think its bc of that and bc omegaverse is so ludricous and hard to take seriously they can separate it from irl experiences and feelings

Ouu u atee

It's cuz I've been on this site since 2020 I have witnessed all the discourse around omegaverse and people did hella research

Ur so right, its the biggest issues with the genres, for gay men who already go through hell its a disservice to boil their identity and struggles to a literary porn genre that never tries to really address them as people, the one gray area i see is that many BL/yaoi explore gay men in relationships but theyre not really..men? If that makes sense, sometimes the genre feels like a androgynous caricature to project onto rather than a real depiction at all, but thats not always the case, plus theres plenty of homophobic/fetishizing readers so obviously it has major problems
In my opinion its especially bad when they try to excuse said problematic things in fiction "its not rape if..." "its not fetishizing if..." "its not abuse..." bc that is normalizing the behavior and how can they recognize that behavior irl if they genuinely believe its not bad?

Ive been here since like 2018/2019 but i never paid attention to things that went down here, but i did outside the website hahah
Damn u were in the trenches LMAO

Lmaoooooo real asf

try "cheating men must die" She goes to diff worlds and leads the cheating bastards down to ruin with actual plans instead of just beating them up and calling it a day, it's so good.

I've read it, thank you :)

But it's not exactly what I'm going for. I want something darker while not being unfair.

If u like revenge I recommend innocent wind, it's really the first time I see emotions written so realistically in a revenge story before :(

....I just wanna apologize in advance for this...this is the first story that came to mind https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/a_fallen_man/