Ispeaktomuch's Topics (202)

Agreed..ive been woken up that way and enjoyed it immensely.lmao

jeez please tell me they actually call the cops this time? that lady is so unstable, she needs to stop trying to kill them or get arrested
if they let her go with just a warning again i'm going to punch a wall

I hope so too!! It ended with Haru holding the blade but I'm presuming they will now because she's gone wayyyy to far.

i actually translated a little bit of the panels and this single word made me pretty sure they didn't do it. that word is "fingers". and based on the panels too, i doubt the author would actually have them have sex in, like what, 2 pages back to back? that's just not enough panels for a sex scene. this is my theory, is that haru did try it with ren, but they were only using fingers but ren was in pain, so they stopped after ren came. so it's like haru was half-assing it so ren got mad and ren out. BUT this is only my theory. we'll have to wait to see if they really did it or not. i could be totally wrong and you right because yes, i've seen it before too, semes who don't take their bottom off and only slip their d through. but like i said, with the amount of panels spent on a sex scene (if there was one), i'd call this bs lol. that's just NOT ENOUGH PANELS/PAGES for a sex scene.

Hmm.... I do think it was fully some authors really don't go into detail with their smexy scenes. I mean it would be great if she did hurhur but I think it was plenty enough :3 I guess fingers is pluasable but I really do think they did it fully .... argh they need to translate it quicker aha :D

i actually take back what i said hahaha after translating it a second time and rechecking it again, i'm positive they didn't do it. haru only used his fingers and ren came. but yeah, we'll have to wait for translations for the final confirmation.

Really?? I'll have to take your word on it because I really can't translate it aha (づ￣ ³￣)づ

http://www.dm5.com/m483297/#ipg50
both of his arms are out supporting him?? I thought ren was cumming then but the next page it shows him coming.... I'm so confused aha :'D

wait..... no because the next panel the arm that youcouldn't see it supporting him and then the one you could see you can't see.... lmao I'm evaluating this far to much :'D I am sorry to everyone if I'm wrong the link to the page is above so you can all decide for yourselves Σ( ￣□￣||)

i think they didn't do it ... just fingers... cause Haru had his pants on..

Aside from the fact that he still had his pants on, if i remember correctly, translations also said "you came just from fingering" (or something along those lines) So yep, he only fingered ren.

Yeah... Idk since I can't read Japanese

are you talking about the insane lady who nearly strangled Ren to death in the first season of the anime?

Yaaas

seriously Σ(っ°Д °;)っ!!
geez it's been too long since her appearance and i thought for sure she'd no longer show her face especially after Haru told her off but come on, why is she on the loose???

Maybe she is finally free and held a grudge so she came to take revenge....

oops I meant uke was sleeping around and then I think he slept with the chinese guy but I also think the seme did the same?

The 'filler' you're talking about is the past of Feilong (Chinese guy), where he and Asami (seme) met years ago. Yes, they had a thing going on, but Asami and Akihito (uke) hadn't met at this point of the story. So it wouldn't count as sleeping around on Asami's part

-It's normal for Akihito to get molested/raped (including by Asami) in this story, which is what happened with him and Feilong

.............normal? My god that poor uke. And I swear he gave a fat guya bj if I remember correctly (freely) no rape... Ah I don't know. But thank you for answering my questions :)

Which fat guy? Pretty sure all the time he performed sexual acts it was forced or he was coerced

Raped by a fat guy ? Which chapter ? I think you got mixed by another yaoi story not from this manga bcz aki just got raped by Asami & Feilong

The seme did not sleep with the chinese guy (aka Fei Long.) They had one kiss and a quick hand job and then the seme left him to rot in prison and ran away. The uke didn't sleep around. He was abducted and repeatedly raped by the chinese guy.

I did say I could have had them mixed up but I swear he was trying to get information for the seme so he gave an older slightly pudge guy a Blow job ....or something like that... Probably am wrong. Also thank you to everyone who's replying :)

Fei/AxF hater spotted. You're so venomous for no reason it's actually sad.
Sorry to break it to you but they had a thing like I said. Normal people count only kissing as cheating.
Asami did the same as Feilong, in case you're an AxA fans who conveniently ignores that fact.

WTH is your problem? How is it being a Fei hater to state facts? Asami and Fei never slept together. The only character I criticized was Asami, so you can stick your "conveniently ignores" up your tight ass.

Do you mean the businessman in the Koisuru Finder No Hyouteki crossover? Aki did not give him a blow job. The businessman tried to put the moves on Aki, but a student punched him before anything could happen.

How are they venomous and a hater? This person also states a fact. Feilong repeatedly raped Takaba. However don't let yourself get upset by such a small thing. Do remember Asami, Takaba, Feilong aren't like real people. You'll be happier if you do. (=・ω・=)

Smoothie's just the current playground bully. Pay them no mind.

Anon, I was missing you today, you love us that much that you came especially to give us your two words of wisdom! Hope I'll see you tomorrow again, life is empty and colorless without your company. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ ╮(￣▽￣)╭

All I did was come in here and answer a question and got jumped on by an asshole. I don't know what you're talking about, but thanks for making me feel even less welcome here.

I'm always able to recognize your 'lovely' perfume and your lovely expressions, like 'Asami left him rot in prison'. What could I do without your company here? ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Sakazaki is hairy but not fat! ^_~

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!... I coulda sworn he did aha maybe the one I read was incomplete. Thank you :D

Also people stop being so nasty to each other because as a very tired me once said.... Yeah no I can't be bothered. But seriously stahp.... it's not nice (lol sorry I would usually come up with a reason better than that but I'm tired).

Don't take it personally, Anon. These Fei fans are rude. They don't represent all Finder fans.

I honestly don't know what I said. All I said was that Asami and Fei never slept together. That's a fact. Why does saying it make me venomous?

Three words ... "Fei Fan Troll" (there are a few people who come to this page, make an outrageous and erroneous correction to some comment and sit back to watch the chaos (and continue to stir the pot periodically) Just ignore the haters, most of us are nicer than that.

Just ignore em'

You and your playing victim mentality. (￣∇￣")
The problem wasn't you answering a question, it should be the way you phrased your word.

Do YOU represent all Finder fans, then?

No one is being victim here . And please stop adding fuel to the fire when the matter is already sorted . The way she phrased her words was not an attack towards fei .it was more like an expression towards the scene . This was just a misunderstanding it doesn't make her a victim .this is the reason every anon here got misunderstood and seems rude .

Maybe she's the same person who always twist words to look like the victim.
Elle est la même personne qui tordent nos mots et ne veut que son AxA porno.C'est une petite tête de chou.

I'm not sure if "All I did was come in here and answer a question and got jumped on by an asshole. I don't know what you're talking about, but thanks for making me feel even less welcome here." did not sound like playing victim. The reply to her is not even personal ╮(￣▽￣)╭ and she overreact like that.

Anyway as I said it might be this "They had one kiss and a quick hand job and then the seme left him to rot in prison and ran away" that made her previous post sounded so antagonistic. I'm not adding fuel to fire. Is she the only one allowed to state her opinion now? (⊙…⊙ ) I notice not only anons got misunderstood, though I can easily see why. Let's be frank. Specific fans that do not conform by the "majority standard"/"main pairing" more often than not got a very undesirable treatment from the majority. Put under the spotlight and criticized for a small error. I'm saying trolls are everywhere.

Okay, explain how "They had one kiss and a quick hand job and then the seme left him to rot in prison and ran away" justifies calling someone venomous? All I see is Fei fans getting offended when anyone even mentions the Fei's name, even if it isn't anything negative. The only negative in that sentence was about Asami. But a touchy Fei fan who can't read decided to get salty about it.

And please, if you've been around here long enough, you'd know the AxF fans give as much if not more than they take. And bravo, calling out trolls while trolling! Neat trick.

See? You assume that I am this Fei fan just like that. And it is indeed because it was shedding ASAMI in such a biased, negative light that I decided to jump on and put in my two cents! To tell you the truth I had only started reading finder since 2 days ago. I have not even finished the naked truth arc, not to mention not even touched any single chapter of that flower on high loft arc. But seriously I have scrolled at least up to page 12 to see the awfulness of people here. Nowhere other than this manga itself.
Okay how is saying Asami running away justify the manga scenario itself? Did Asami really run away? He left after assigning his trusted man by fei's side on his stance. Even I who had just read past the earliest chapters of naked truth knows this.

AxF fans give if not more than they take? Like how? Are you sure you are not the troll yourself? How can you even straight label someone by their pairing amazed me beyond belief! You should be proud of yourself
Read clearly and I have ever justified her being called venomous. I am saying she exaggerated

Il l'a laissé pourrir en prison. Quelle bonne chose à dire!
How are you, mon petit chou?

I read a fan asking why Asami chose Akihito? It is not even in a negative way. Guess what, a bunch of Asami/Aki fan came out of nowhere and started attacking just because. Pointing how your Aki is the best, purest, everything. Asami is lucky to have him. Are you sure you all are innocent? Or you all just bullying others just because YOU have the power to. That is sad. You must have craved for power IRL and not have it that you become this sad and overreact in manga realm

Im sorry I cant understand the second pt Σ(っ°Д °;)っ

I think that person was talking about cabbages, maybe they wanted to make some salad or something that has to do with French cuisine. Ooops, not my business, I better run. (￣∇￣")

Yeah, I agree with you. There are persons here who play the victim when they started by provoking others reactions by saying awful things against Fei calling him: an underdog, Asami left him ROT IN PRISON even if we don't know what were Asami's real reasons, and many other thigs. It's a pity that someone treat all Fei's fans as a part of a negative whole, as if there were something wrong in having a favorite character, really a pity.

Feilong chose to remain in prison, Asami still protects him by sending him a bodyguard: yoh. Anon, you're alone and upset, you see.

To Anon: Do not be smart with anyone who can use words more than you. To say that Asami roared Fei in jail is a lie but I can also say things like you do. Ready? Street!

To OP: Asami loves Akihito and does not like Fei, but takes care of him and wants him safe.

To Anon: I remember you:

1- Asami Allows Feilong to do anything with Aki and does not ask him anything.
2- Share happily Akihto with his worst enemy (Feilong) in an onsen
3- Make the court to Akihito by putting a film ..... right there
4- He goes to save Akihito and when he collides with Fei, who fired two shots gives him ........... tips on how to handle his childhood comlex.

Let me notice that Fei and Asami's kiss is over because Feilong rejected Asami.

Conclusion? Yes, Feilong did not receive the "first prize" Asami, but he did go very well, better so. He has so many of those spasimants who love him! He did not realize he had "avoided a ditch."

If someone who does not know VF read my comments, written so, without having a reference context what would he think? Asami does not try anything for Akihito. While we know he loves him.

Now

You have tried to voluntarily give a disenchanted image of Feilong to a person who does not know the characters in order to inflate Feilong. Say: let him marry in jail and flee without telling anything about what Asami did before for Fei and after (sending Yoh) is mystifying.

But with me you can not. And do not make the victim, you are not.

She said that to a character. To Asami i.e and the other person called here venomous a real life person .and then everyone assuming she is a troll not one every one is up to her like he has done something so worth the crime by commenting here. She is not playing victim i reallt felt sad for her .people are being sarcastic on her. Even calling her venomous for having an opinion what she said Asami left fei to rot in jail what was so venomous in that instead of accusing her if you would have told her why she is wrong but everyone started accusing her and throwing shades at her .and you all think she is playing victim or she is the same anon .i dont even feel like having a conversation in vf anymore because now not even anon because everyone are rude to eachother . She has already said that her remark was not for fei but she too got accused for being venomous. How are any other person here better then her then . TBH I have been on other sites and people vf fans there are very nice and welcoming towrds opinion even they disagree they dont start accusing they atleast tell the reason why they are wrong first .i applause lf atleast she explained what she felt was wrong in the comment before start accusing her. This was my last messasge here and no i am not a troll nor i am the same person and neither i am a victim.but feel free to think so and make fun of me too .i will be really happy tha i amused you guys really there are other sites where i can have proper conversation with people its okay thanku have a nice time and sorry for my bad english. To LF And TOKI DOKi
Guys you seems like a very genuine and nice person and always talk and comment nicely and reasonbally before getting sarcastic and accsuing i respect you guys for that . Peace

Tbh when I first came here I was so amazed by the amount of hatred and name calling here too. Btw I see you're making a reference to Smoothie's comment above. Lady guessed that Anon to be the one who normally made sarcastic remarks probably because that Anon always come leaving comments directed at Fei (and fans) and then left, sometimes to other char like Aki too. Like Toki said. But they are not the majority of people here, you see. We can't even identify who they are.

We can't judge every one as same . We either have two option accuse every anon who come here stating their opinion ,be it the troll or a genuine person or we can first judge by being nice to the other person and see how he or she react to your opinion then take a decision .but what i felt bad here nobody even gave her a time to express her self and started accusing her from the start that she is the same as other except for LF and Toki DOKi here and some were were adding fuel to the fire including fei and aki in to it. Can't we be nice first then dudge whether the anon is some troll or not .because if we will be like that to every anon here be it troll or a genuine anon.it will be bad impression to those who came here to genuinEly comment .i understand her remark was harsh but her remark was not for her hatred towards fei .and she has itself stated that .sometimes in anger we say things to a character she said that to Asami but she got hate from every person except for few And was accused of being troll .what if she is not the same person won't she will feel that people here are rude and she should not comment here again .if i was in her position and people calling me venomous and a troll for my some angry remark i would have Been sad Tbh. You are right we can not identify who they are so the least we can do is ,instead of blaming them fro being victim and saying they are troll and judging them why cant we let them know why they are wrong in a polite way and how they react if they are a genuine person they will talk nicley if they are troll we will find out because we know what trolls do .right. from my heart i am saying this i love viewfinder but i sometimes cant take comments here the way people talk to eachother about fei about aki it make me depressed Tbh.

I understand where you're coming from. At first I feel it's ridiculous that we get attacked by trolls sometimes only for spazzing about our long-awaited character. People started associating us with some delusional AxF trolls, which honestly, we do not even share our belief with. Therefore now I control myself from saying too much, that including adoring Fei in public comment.

I know what you're saying. We should stop hating characters. Well we tend to be passionate (and defensive, this part I admit) about our beloved character. But I agree we can do so without hating and personal attacks. Not everyone can share the same belief though. Some find it okay to be sarcastic and I think I'll just try to take things with a pinch of salt for now. We'd still fee triggered from time to time but if we try to be less concerned with them, I think it's better for us in the long-run. Cheer up!

It made me happy talking to you .you are very sweet and genuine . I am feeling nice thanks to you here a bouquet for you and these too i think they are cookies have them and a hug too (づ￣ ³￣)づ for being understanding .

Excuse me if I gave you a bad impression.

You're welcome and thanks for thr bouquet well as I said there are some days I got really triggered and take the insults personally, so I'm not a saint. But anyways one day I said I wanted to find somewhere else to discuss Finder in peace and friends here reminded me that wherever I go internet trolls are abound. Even those in this page are already around long, long time ago, they said. One of the friends is Lady here. She's actually a nice and understanding person. I hope you won't stay mad at her (づ￣ ³￣)づ

What about creating account here? I mean it's just a silly suggestion but at least I think it reduced the possibility of being suspected as troll anon, at least for me i think it works a bit ^^

Anon, I apologize for saying you're just sad, I did not have the right. But I confirm what I wrote earlier. As Lady, I express some style and style of writing.

I dont know which anon are you talking about LF but if its me then you dont have to :).because i didnt even said anything about feilong or aki .my problem with the conversation was that nobody preferred to tell the other anon what they found wrong in her comment and why they saying what they are saying but started to accusing her for being a troll.it sometimes is a problem for people like us because if every anon will be treated like a troll then what is the point of making a comment .thats what i felt when i was reading the comments .and to lady no god no i dont feel anything bad for you nor do i say anything bad to anyone with out any reason i can understand how frustrating can be trolls .and they provoke you sometimes . But sometimes there are genuine commentators here that got accused for being a trolls which feels bad sometimes .i know we can't identify the trolls its tough.but i think for the first comment we can be poilte and answer them.without accusing them and if they are troll we will know right :) no hate to anyone here .and flying dragon i had a account here but then i deleted it because i started using manga zone and i haven't made any new gmail account yet .but if i do i surely will make an account here
And i will find you and follow you so you can guide me (⌒▽⌒)

I found this comment false, scornful and provocative and I explained in a long post why. I confirm what I wrote. But I also told Anon that he is a alone and sad person and I'm sorry because I should not have made personalises a person who does not know how to defend a manga character. I apologize for this with Anon. Unfortunately I'm tired of seeing Fei treated like rubbish.

I know many seemingly unpleasant and harsh people who have been crying out of the way and have seen their heart break without making noise, in the general indifference. When i protect Fei I protect unconsciously all these people. I'm sorry, because Fei does not exist and because he is not innocent, he's a murderer, a criminal, etc. but it's stronger than me.

Mangago is pretty user friendly when you get used to it ^^ No worries. Sure, I'd help with whatever I can ^^(help me, until recently I still get confused on how to backtrack to old pages / something as simple as deleting messages. LOL (≧∀≦)) Sorry for replying late btw. Somehow I didn't -and still do not- receive any notifications for reply. -_____- Well some of the old timers were kind enough to tell me to use other email other than Gmail (I hope my memory doesn't fail me, I think it's Yahoo) and it works just fine. No worries ^^ But no pressure. You can remain as Anon just like our friend LF. Whatever you feel comfortable with. It's just that with Anons (esp ones who didn't change name) we don't know who we're talking to and sometimes misunderstandings occur from there.

How does the comment treat Fei like rubbish? Still waiting for someone to explain that. Lacking explanation, it just looks like y'all are just looking for excuses to be offended on behalf of your fave.

Well seme left him to rot in prison sounded harsh .they have already told you btw.and i dont have fav here and you are trying to start a fight cant you express your opinion without accusing anyone .(╯°Д °)╯╧╧ .you can have a proper conversation without being judgemental right .did they said by their owm mouth that they have fav no right now you are the one who is starting fight without any reason.

Be fair, mon petite chou, I was missing you, but allow me to be sincere with you. You look like someone who wants to start a fight, like others said. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

exactly

Err.. Σ(っ°Д °;)っ sorry Amazed, it's the other way round. It's to use Gmail, not Yahoo. Cos currently I'm using gmail. But I think other emails could work just fine. Just that at the time I tried to create account, this site was down for a while.

Oww its okay flying dragon (づ￣ ³￣)づ .i have only one gmail.account for like forever and i have already used it on this site .so now i will make a new account then because when ever i try to open my account it say you have alreasy used this account

Ooh (≧∀≦) Understood

everyone friends? 0_0

By the way you can tell the grandma was in it to because you can see it clearly, very Cleary, as in sangwoo will probably will kill the uncle and the grandma

What a deep analysis of the story bruh.

(⊙…⊙ )

yeah, i would say he is a sociopath but i don't think that's quite the right term

Probably but only if she's still alive. I could also picture sangwoo bringing the uncle to bumi as a "present"

He's a bit of everything to be fair aha

I could go even further in depth but I thought if already wrote to much aha. I love things like this that make me think. Although cute stories like Elektal delusions are good too

Are you asking when the blood got on the dildo? It happened when Sangwoo tossed the clothes/dildo at Bum. Some of Jieun's blood on his hands rubbed off.

But when did the dildo get down in the basement/with the clothes? Last time it was seen was in the kitchen, I think.

No idea when Sangwoo put them down there.

So He didn't use it on the girl??

Not that we know of. Sangwoo was probably storing Bum's things in the basement.

Hm.... I'm 50/50.... it was all seen from Bumis POV (if I remember correctly) so I think there is a chance but I could be very wrong aha

They don't look alike at all...?

We saw glasses guy at the wedding.

damn i think i've missed a chapter i thought it was strange no one had said about the glasses guy lol

I rather think it's Sangwoo working rather hard to make himself a soulmate. He didn't drive the knife this time, but he sure as heck spent time and efforst grooming Bum for that.
...Remember, Patty Hearst, anyone?

They are meant for each other after reading chapter 19 no doubt.

...Yeah.
But... what if Sangwoo meets another serial killer? Would Bum then have a rival??
J/k... sorry. I guess I've just stopped taking this seriously, as a way to keep my own sanity..
O.o

I don't think Bum needed much grooming, more like a few shoves to make him into a psychotic killer. He was already crazy stalker dude who was mentally unstable. Grooming literary takes ages to do, Bum had it in him, he just didn't know it.

I agree!!!

Somehow I think Sangwoo forced him into a crash course that would otherwise have taken years to happen, if at all...I mean, aren't there any petty stalkers who never evolve to sth worse, or even get better with treatment? (I honestly don't know). I even imagine he *could* have been given some timely treatment if Sangwoo had turned out to be a Psychiatry major, sane college student, rather than an active serial killer... I mean, seriously, what were the chances of that??

XD a rival, but it's quite obvious how Sangwoo loves and needs Bum. I love when Sangwoo was freaking out in chapter 13 because from then on I knew that he will not kill Bum. Still I would like to see a jealous Sangwoo. Just remember it's fiction so it's harmless and your sanity will be good :)

Well if this wasnt a psycho dude he fell in love with, and just some nice guy. It would have probably taken a few therapy lesson to make him normal, but i wouldn't say 100 normal more like functioning type of normal. Bum wasn't a petty stalker, he was an obsessive stalker who wasn't stable in the mind. His reaction in high school with the girl who was some what nice was way to creepy, crazy and just plain phycho-ish. Her reaction was mean yes, but i wouldn't blame her though she was just scared.
But ill be honest, if he didn't have therapy and he had a lover who never lifted a finger to help his crazy/creepy personality, it would have turned to murder in the future. How? Imagine his lover decides that he/she had enough with him, wants to leave him. He of course would let that happen, he would keep on bothering them, over and over and over again. Untill one day he snaps and desides that if he cant have them, than no one else can. If you mix Love with a Unhealthy-Mind that equivalent of that would be murder or kidnapping. Cause love makes anyone crazy, even the most sane ones. I seen some crazy reactions because of love.
But of course this is my guess.

I'd rather think he was mostly freaking out about Bum escaping and getting around reporting him to the police... I mean, even though I want to think he was also freaking out about losing his new love interest, and that he somewhat loves him, my practical side keeps interfering, slapping me back into thinking things with cold logic every time, once I'm done fangirling... -_-

I mostly agree, in a way. Except that I think his reaction in high school wasn't that bad of we contemplate the possibility that many of the things he did (like telling everyone they were dating, and about her being raped) could have been out of anger at the way she was suddenly acting like he was dirt and giving him the cold shoulder. Even though I don't blame her cause I understand why she did it, I bet Bum himself didn't have a clue. Perhaps, if someone had tried to explain it to him why she was acting that way, he would have understood it and not gotten so angry about it. I think what he missed was the fact that she was acting like that because she was probably dealing with post stress disorder, still blaming herself for the rapes, and mistakenly thinking that by not associating with him any more she would aliviate her own feelings of being dirty and worthless. Of course, she was wrong, but victims of incestuous rape tend to think they're somehow tainted or damaged and to feel horribly ashamed of themselves.

You have some great insights. I have thoughts on some of what you said. I don't think Bum's treatment outlook would be too hopeful either, unless they could get him into a supportive environment with a nurturing social structure that had people who cared about him like family should and participated in therapy and make sure he makes his meds (and I think there would be meds). Even then, you can only hope for him to be more functional or progress and not expect a total "cure". Even in countries where mental heath cares is available, the family often has to advocate for the client's care and support the client in day to day life--and that rarely happens unless the family gives a crap.

I don't think anything would "cure" Sangwoo because he is not capable of empathy or seeing more than how he wants to play out his internal dramas--the most you can do is remove him from society so he cannot harm others. I do think Bum has a special role in Sangwoo's mind. I don't mean that he sees Bum as a person or cares about Bum more than himself--just that bum has been given a central role in his dramas, and he has evolved to include Bum. I don't think Sangwoo is cable of seeing others as being as important as himself or of developing feelings such as guilt or having a real sense of morality. It's just not even possible for him. This is different than Bum's prior mental illness.

I think Bum's prior condition was more of a harm to himself than to anyone else. He was mentally ill and completely lacking in self-care and social skills, but before this, he was not a danger to others. The kind of problem that happened in high school happens a lot in high school, even for "normal' teens (snort--normal teens-hahaha), especially when people change friendships and negotiate who they want to date, and many lack skills to do this nicely. Both his and her reactions were understandable, because they both lack skills to process emotions well and negotiate social interactions effectively. Bum and the girl should probably both have had therapy, but the key is support from a family (or group that acts like family) that is understanding about mental illness and well, Bum's family isn't that--it's a cause of his problems so...

Most people with mental illnesses are not dangerous to others, but they make others uncomfortable because they seem "weird" or "creepy". Being stalked by an ex has a much higher rate of harm. In fact, the worst situation is to be stalked by an abusive ex. They tend to kill people. So, in my mind the "normal" stalker is much worse than the socially inept obsessive delusional one.

You have an excellent point there. Cases of real ex-boyfriend stalkers are said to be more frequent.

I actually agree with all of you, Bum probably could have been "cured" but if left to himself he would have probably killed someone and then perhaps himself. Where as soo(?) could never be cured.... I think he's an ego maniac who loves harming people. Bum is somewhat important to him. Like his mum was. Bum is someone who he can torment but also be worshiped by because Bum is after all a stalker and he "loves" him so much. He feeds off this and in a sense he's his child- Someone who worships him and someone he can groom. Someone who'll flinch when they do something but then slowly start to trust you when you don't and that's the best part. They trust you and then you shatter that trust and see their face crumble. The reality that you were able to cause that much EMOTIONAL pain is overwhelmingly good. Physical pain heals quickly emotional not so much. Bum is also someone who he can "impress" with his kills. After all isn't he a criminal like himself? I think he's the one who set up that rape situation in the army. I think he set it ALL up. He's been after Bum for a very long time. Weird how they were always in the same place. Sure Bums a stalker but not always to him. He's really been played. We've seen how intelligent he is. He's ruled by his mind not his emotions where as bum is the opposite. He feels and doesn't stop to think what it is he feels. He just thinks "LOVE" He knows what's being done to him isnt right somewhere in his mind but he's to ruled by his emotinos to think . Sure each oppertunity was risky but with the right amount of thinking he could have escaped. I know he has stockholm at the moment but it's much more than that. The psychopath will probably push bum to far one day though he is actually the most stupid of the two (When it comes to their relationship) he thinks Bum is his and he wouldn't dare betray him or lash out at him. After all why would he hurt his very reason to live? He'll think it's okay to carry on sleeping with other people while knowing full well how Bum feels- Obsessive. He'll think he's to loved though for Bum to do anything not realising what true emotions are like. He's never actually experienced them. He's ruled my logic. "You enjoy that Bum? Flirting with him" (Not his actual words but close). Here he's mearly observed. We all know how violent he can go when Bum does something he dislikes but he isn't all that upset here. Just mearly inquiring . Oh I'm sure he did feel jealously but he ignores emotions like that. His will forever be ruled by cold logic. The best way I can describe it is- His emotions are a small camp fire with a bucket of sand close by.
Bums emotions are all consuming and they destroy everything in their path. They are his driving force. And soo (I dont know his last night fgs) is only fueling the flames. Soon he will push Bum to far. Heres what I think could happen-

Bum actually finds someone else to love- The police officer maybe? Someone kind and loving and to punish Bum soo (Thats his new name lmao) will capture them and try to force Bum to kill them not realising the true extent to Bums emotinos and he'll end up the one dead.

Next scenerio- He sleeps with people in front of Bum for a long period of time and each time he does he sees Bum snapping. He finds it funny watching Bum kill the people he's slept with until one day Bum turns the knife either on himself out of despaire of Soo. He'll either kill soo or soo will be enraged and kill him.

Orrrr
With Bum being ruled by emotion he makes a mistake and gives the detective the evidence he needs. Soo knowing they will both get sent to prison tells Bum to say he was a victim of his. Here the author would shock the readers because they'd show how soo had started everything because he'd been in love with Bum for YEARS. They'd make it sad and tragic. HE DOES HAVE EMOTION! kinda thing.

Sorry for writing so much. This is just my opinion and speculation though.