so the dildo was out before and by the clothes.... and it had blood on. Did he have sex with the girl using the dildo?? Or did I get the order in which I saw that all wrong?
Are you asking when the blood got on the dildo? It happened when Sangwoo tossed the clothes/dildo at Bum. Some of Jieun's blood on his hands rubbed off.
But when did the dildo get down in the basement/with the clothes? Last time it was seen was in the kitchen, I think.
No idea when Sangwoo put them down there.
So He didn't use it on the girl??
Not that we know of. Sangwoo was probably storing Bum's things in the basement.
Hm.... I'm 50/50.... it was all seen from Bumis POV (if I remember correctly) so I think there is a chance but I could be very wrong aha
I think the baker guy is the boy from university the one who leaked the video.... I'm hoping I'm wrong and he's a relative of the last semes and he recognised him or something .... just... I have a really bad feeling.
They don't look alike at all...?
We saw glasses guy at the wedding.
damn i think i've missed a chapter i thought it was strange no one had said about the glasses guy lol
I never get shocked like this when it comes to who's top and bottom it's normally very obvious but I've only ever had one other manga do this and HOT DANG they were both smoking! I love it when the dominant one is well... dominated... I get why hide(?) was the uke because he technically has no experience? and his way of thinking is he needs to be like a woman to compete with the exes. Maybe? Also being the one entered also holds a lot of power in a way. You're giving all of the pleasure and it's especially important when being two men because the bottom always experiences some sort of pain and he just wanted him to feel pleasure not pain. Besidised his personality is a little like a girls aha. An extremely bitch girl but still a girl X'D
after reading chapter 19 i feel like they are soul mates no joke.... this is so bloody messed up but i think i became detached after the first three chapters im just purely curious now. I feel like something might happen to the cop but soo(something) is to smart for that it would be bum who did something. I'm feeling a very harley quinn and joker vibe from this but we shall see XD.
I rather think it's Sangwoo working rather hard to make himself a soulmate. He didn't drive the knife this time, but he sure as heck spent time and efforst grooming Bum for that.
...Remember, Patty Hearst, anyone?
They are meant for each other after reading chapter 19 no doubt.
...Yeah.
But... what if Sangwoo meets another serial killer? Would Bum then have a rival??
J/k... sorry. I guess I've just stopped taking this seriously, as a way to keep my own sanity..
O.o
I don't think Bum needed much grooming, more like a few shoves to make him into a psychotic killer. He was already crazy stalker dude who was mentally unstable. Grooming literary takes ages to do, Bum had it in him, he just didn't know it.
I agree!!!
Somehow I think Sangwoo forced him into a crash course that would otherwise have taken years to happen, if at all...I mean, aren't there any petty stalkers who never evolve to sth worse, or even get better with treatment? (I honestly don't know). I even imagine he *could* have been given some timely treatment if Sangwoo had turned out to be a Psychiatry major, sane college student, rather than an active serial killer... I mean, seriously, what were the chances of that??
XD a rival, but it's quite obvious how Sangwoo loves and needs Bum. I love when Sangwoo was freaking out in chapter 13 because from then on I knew that he will not kill Bum. Still I would like to see a jealous Sangwoo. Just remember it's fiction so it's harmless and your sanity will be good :)
Well if this wasnt a psycho dude he fell in love with, and just some nice guy. It would have probably taken a few therapy lesson to make him normal, but i wouldn't say 100 normal more like functioning type of normal. Bum wasn't a petty stalker, he was an obsessive stalker who wasn't stable in the mind. His reaction in high school with the girl who was some what nice was way to creepy, crazy and just plain phycho-ish. Her reaction was mean yes, but i wouldn't blame her though she was just scared.
But ill be honest, if he didn't have therapy and he had a lover who never lifted a finger to help his crazy/creepy personality, it would have turned to murder in the future. How? Imagine his lover decides that he/she had enough with him, wants to leave him. He of course would let that happen, he would keep on bothering them, over and over and over again. Untill one day he snaps and desides that if he cant have them, than no one else can. If you mix Love with a Unhealthy-Mind that equivalent of that would be murder or kidnapping. Cause love makes anyone crazy, even the most sane ones. I seen some crazy reactions because of love.
But of course this is my guess.
I'd rather think he was mostly freaking out about Bum escaping and getting around reporting him to the police... I mean, even though I want to think he was also freaking out about losing his new love interest, and that he somewhat loves him, my practical side keeps interfering, slapping me back into thinking things with cold logic every time, once I'm done fangirling... -_-
I mostly agree, in a way. Except that I think his reaction in high school wasn't that bad of we contemplate the possibility that many of the things he did (like telling everyone they were dating, and about her being raped) could have been out of anger at the way she was suddenly acting like he was dirt and giving him the cold shoulder. Even though I don't blame her cause I understand why she did it, I bet Bum himself didn't have a clue. Perhaps, if someone had tried to explain it to him why she was acting that way, he would have understood it and not gotten so angry about it. I think what he missed was the fact that she was acting like that because she was probably dealing with post stress disorder, still blaming herself for the rapes, and mistakenly thinking that by not associating with him any more she would aliviate her own feelings of being dirty and worthless. Of course, she was wrong, but victims of incestuous rape tend to think they're somehow tainted or damaged and to feel horribly ashamed of themselves.
You have some great insights. I have thoughts on some of what you said. I don't think Bum's treatment outlook would be too hopeful either, unless they could get him into a supportive environment with a nurturing social structure that had people who cared about him like family should and participated in therapy and make sure he makes his meds (and I think there would be meds). Even then, you can only hope for him to be more functional or progress and not expect a total "cure". Even in countries where mental heath cares is available, the family often has to advocate for the client's care and support the client in day to day life--and that rarely happens unless the family gives a crap.
I don't think anything would "cure" Sangwoo because he is not capable of empathy or seeing more than how he wants to play out his internal dramas--the most you can do is remove him from society so he cannot harm others. I do think Bum has a special role in Sangwoo's mind. I don't mean that he sees Bum as a person or cares about Bum more than himself--just that bum has been given a central role in his dramas, and he has evolved to include Bum. I don't think Sangwoo is cable of seeing others as being as important as himself or of developing feelings such as guilt or having a real sense of morality. It's just not even possible for him. This is different than Bum's prior mental illness.
I think Bum's prior condition was more of a harm to himself than to anyone else. He was mentally ill and completely lacking in self-care and social skills, but before this, he was not a danger to others. The kind of problem that happened in high school happens a lot in high school, even for "normal' teens (snort--normal teens-hahaha), especially when people change friendships and negotiate who they want to date, and many lack skills to do this nicely. Both his and her reactions were understandable, because they both lack skills to process emotions well and negotiate social interactions effectively. Bum and the girl should probably both have had therapy, but the key is support from a family (or group that acts like family) that is understanding about mental illness and well, Bum's family isn't that--it's a cause of his problems so...
Most people with mental illnesses are not dangerous to others, but they make others uncomfortable because they seem "weird" or "creepy". Being stalked by an ex has a much higher rate of harm. In fact, the worst situation is to be stalked by an abusive ex. They tend to kill people. So, in my mind the "normal" stalker is much worse than the socially inept obsessive delusional one.
You have an excellent point there. Cases of real ex-boyfriend stalkers are said to be more frequent.
I actually agree with all of you, Bum probably could have been "cured" but if left to himself he would have probably killed someone and then perhaps himself. Where as soo(?) could never be cured.... I think he's an ego maniac who loves harming people. Bum is somewhat important to him. Like his mum was. Bum is someone who he can torment but also be worshiped by because Bum is after all a stalker and he "loves" him so much. He feeds off this and in a sense he's his child- Someone who worships him and someone he can groom. Someone who'll flinch when they do something but then slowly start to trust you when you don't and that's the best part. They trust you and then you shatter that trust and see their face crumble. The reality that you were able to cause that much EMOTIONAL pain is overwhelmingly good. Physical pain heals quickly emotional not so much. Bum is also someone who he can "impress" with his kills. After all isn't he a criminal like himself? I think he's the one who set up that rape situation in the army. I think he set it ALL up. He's been after Bum for a very long time. Weird how they were always in the same place. Sure Bums a stalker but not always to him. He's really been played. We've seen how intelligent he is. He's ruled by his mind not his emotions where as bum is the opposite. He feels and doesn't stop to think what it is he feels. He just thinks "LOVE" He knows what's being done to him isnt right somewhere in his mind but he's to ruled by his emotinos to think . Sure each oppertunity was risky but with the right amount of thinking he could have escaped. I know he has stockholm at the moment but it's much more than that. The psychopath will probably push bum to far one day though he is actually the most stupid of the two (When it comes to their relationship) he thinks Bum is his and he wouldn't dare betray him or lash out at him. After all why would he hurt his very reason to live? He'll think it's okay to carry on sleeping with other people while knowing full well how Bum feels- Obsessive. He'll think he's to loved though for Bum to do anything not realising what true emotions are like. He's never actually experienced them. He's ruled my logic. "You enjoy that Bum? Flirting with him" (Not his actual words but close). Here he's mearly observed. We all know how violent he can go when Bum does something he dislikes but he isn't all that upset here. Just mearly inquiring . Oh I'm sure he did feel jealously but he ignores emotions like that. His will forever be ruled by cold logic. The best way I can describe it is- His emotions are a small camp fire with a bucket of sand close by.
Bums emotions are all consuming and they destroy everything in their path. They are his driving force. And soo (I dont know his last night fgs) is only fueling the flames. Soon he will push Bum to far. Heres what I think could happen-
Bum actually finds someone else to love- The police officer maybe? Someone kind and loving and to punish Bum soo (Thats his new name lmao) will capture them and try to force Bum to kill them not realising the true extent to Bums emotinos and he'll end up the one dead.
Next scenerio- He sleeps with people in front of Bum for a long period of time and each time he does he sees Bum snapping. He finds it funny watching Bum kill the people he's slept with until one day Bum turns the knife either on himself out of despaire of Soo. He'll either kill soo or soo will be enraged and kill him.
Orrrr
With Bum being ruled by emotion he makes a mistake and gives the detective the evidence he needs. Soo knowing they will both get sent to prison tells Bum to say he was a victim of his. Here the author would shock the readers because they'd show how soo had started everything because he'd been in love with Bum for YEARS. They'd make it sad and tragic. HE DOES HAVE EMOTION! kinda thing.
Sorry for writing so much. This is just my opinion and speculation though.
So the two guys do look very similar but i don't think they are the same people. The baker guy only seems off because he's well..... He's a very mellow and nice guy who has a huge sex drive which is a weird combo. (Calm personality makes us think calm sex ) so calm personality and wild sex is a WOAH!! thing when in reality he's a nice guy. The other guy..... He's the sleazy kind that I'm hoping mr baker hits or even the neko hits (Defo neko his eyes! -his eyes make him seem like a cat-) and well I don't think they're the same guy and I wanted to defend the baker guy aha I think he's just intense is all. Poor neko though ;_; I think the baker reminds him of the Ex? because he's very dominant and he obviously got dominated in the past and the obvious- Looks.
I've read some of the artists mangas and I feel like us not seeing the son grown up and his partner was maybe a sign that she's either working on his story or we've met his husband in another manga of hers.... Just a thought lol... Probably not X'D I think the dad might have ended up with the black haired guy ... It's something this author would do.. "I fell in love with my sons first love" kind of thing. Y'know?
(just my opinion really). I really like this story. It's one that makes you think and question your self. (Me for instance. I'm all for commitment and only one partner but I found this manga was able to .. change my views. At least for this story). The main Characters were a Devil and his Bride who sadly died trying to create the perfect tea for him *sobs* but out of grief? The devil starts to make bargains with humans. You give me your life force and I'll grant you your greatest desire. And so his Bride could breathe and well exist. Heart and eyes were next and so forth. And for each time he made a deal you were shown WHY the human was giving away their soul to the devil. Now... For the angel and jya? WTF! He better be messing around and better not hurt that cute mofo. Seriously NO ONE hurts little Angel he's so cute and yet he's badass in his own way. Not many of the well feminine men said NO! I don't trust you! and stuck their tongues out haha. He's got guts and because of this I feel like they're being built up so that when they fall it'll be so sad... Okay back to the main characters... The devils bride can actually "grow up" and his personality is....bad. Different from his once innocent self however you can tell he truly loves his devil. Deeply. (Although the kiss between the angel and him was priceless haha).
Yup, I love this story. Normally I hate the girly boy yaoi but this is an exception. And I love it for all of the reasons you listed. Very well written story that make ppl really think. I'll definitely buy this.
TL;DR
I normally hate these type of stories because the seme normally makes it obvious that he's in love with the ukeand the ukes a slut so nothing comes off it accept a half assed story and heartache but in this story the seme just... Meh...shrugs it off/ Sure he gets jealous but the uke might just see that as someone getting angry that their thing is being taken away. The uke it making it obvious hes testing the seme... I don't think he actually likes any of those other guys I mean he flirted with them while the seme was with him.... He's just playing the jealousy game.
I think and hope that too.
Soooo sangwoo is falling in love. He's probably realised that now and in his twisted own way when his father took it to far he simply killed him. In his twisted head he believes Bumi should have faught . Sangwoo is kinda mentally ...switched off because he's uncapable of feeling what others do (in a sense) like fear and things. Well he does but he' s rather switched off. So to him Bumi is very..... confusing. He's the opposite. All feelings. TO much feeling. To the point he became a stalker. And yeah.... so he reacted accordingly when his uncle did that shit. Some people may have faught but again that would go against Bumis character. He's the victim while still being the criminal and Sangwoo is just pure criminal. So all of this will seriously confuse Sangwoo- He thinks bumi consented and in his eyes he probably betrayed him (strange I know). But then Bumi showed his "love" and showed he also can wound sangwoo (He didn't do this intentionally of course). Sangwoo will now be VERY confused and we'll see a side of him that lashes out but is more ruled by feelings rather than rational logic. He'll probably go after the uncle now when he realises to an exstent that his Bumi was violated. This of course will be ALOT of evidence for the detective because he'll be able to link the hair (bumis) to the new killing and of course there will be records about Bumis wounds when he was living with his uncle. But I'm most interested in seeing how Bumi starts to take control of Sangwoo. This is probably sangwoos first love and he wont realise it and neither will Bumi. But sangwoo will probably still be a shit human being and treat Bumi like shit but he'll also start to do things FOR Bumi rather than making Bumi do it and toying with him. He'll finally have a vunrable side and a weakness. THIS IS WHEN THE REALTIONSHIP WILL BEGIN PROPERLY!
also This is a very toxic relationship but I couldn't imagine either of these two EVER living a normal life so they sorts suit. Still messed up but I love the way the artist is able to make so many people feel conflicted.
By the way you can tell the grandma was in it to because you can see it clearly, very Cleary, as in sangwoo will probably will kill the uncle and the grandma
What a deep analysis of the story bruh.
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yeah, i would say he is a sociopath but i don't think that's quite the right term
Probably but only if she's still alive. I could also picture sangwoo bringing the uncle to bumi as a "present"
He's a bit of everything to be fair aha
I could go even further in depth but I thought if already wrote to much aha. I love things like this that make me think. Although cute stories like Elektal delusions are good too