Yes, the kid was dumb, but they're kids?? What the actual heck do you expect?
She was in an unfamiliar environment with adults she doesn't know, planting shit and desperately wanting to see her dad and most of the kids (including her) miss their fucking parents. She's like seven or ten?? God.
On top of that, y'all are being dicks about children being childish. This is fucking normal. Adults can get hurt because of kids because their duty is to protect them. Ideally, yeah, they wouldn't get hurt, but as an adult, you get hurt sometimes and the ideal reaction isn't to guilt trip the kid or to yell at them, or to hit them, or fucking anything because that's called abuse.
You've seen kids who were too mature for their age because they had trauma which caused them to repress their emotions that you seem to think that it's normal. It's not. It's bad to be mature for your age most of the time.
Yes I'm upset that he got hurt, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get mad at the kid.
You might think that it's not a big deal, but it is. If you react this way online, It's possible you'll react this way in real life. That's shit that you need to deal with at therapy instead of getting mad at a fictional kid for being a kid.
It's so easy to tell who actually has empathy on this site and who just doesn't.
...u realize a lot of us r joking right
And if they’re being stupid, yes, then you should let them know they were being stupid and should be more careful - otherwise they’ll just end up hurting themselves and others in the future. Kids are supposed to be constantly growing, and raised right to slowly grow up and mature. The question is if it’s in a healthy way.
And some of us just don’t like children, and if they don’t like children, they’ll just avoid them. So u don’t have to worry about them reacting to children lol.
I mean, she could have just listen to the adult ??? He told her to be careful, but she didn't listen ? Any kids is able to listen to an adult ?? You don't have to be mature to listen to an adult when he says "stop doing that" ? And I don't like children in general, I don't expect them to be mature because I'm perfectly aware that they're childish and immature, and that's the very reason why I can't stand them and so, I don't stay near them bc they make me uncomfortable. But are you seriously judging people who don't like children and worse, you're saying that they must have a fucking therapy ???? Are u serous ?????? Just bc I'm not surprise, it doesn't mean that I'm not annoyed ? And just bc they're children, it doesn't mean that everything is allowed ? One of the adult's duty is to protect them but also to educated them ? Teaching them that they have to listen to the adults especially if the situation is serious and/or dangerous, don't you think so ? Also, we can be annoyed with a child and still feel empathy for them or in general ? Like, who are you to judge someone by assuming their personality, wether they lack of empathy or not, based on the only fact that they're annoyed with a fictional character ? Also, who are you to assume wether someone react the same way when it comes to fiction and reality ? Your comment is super offensive.
I couldn't agree more
bro its a fictional kid hating on them is even more stupid and what fucking indicator is there for the ppl complaining about this FICTIONAL, NOT REAL, CHILD, that it is a joke? dont project your child hating onto a fictional child and also hating kids is pretty fucking weird irl either way like yeah theyre stressful but fuck if you like actually fr hate kids you need to grow a spine.
It's exactly bc this child is fictional that I don't understand why do people take this so seriously as if she was real. Like it may be a fiction but fiction make you feel emotions, some fictions make you laugh, cry, angry etc, even tho it's fictional. Here, one character make some people annoyed, there is absolutely no problem with that. This is just what the author make us feel as readers with their plot, with their characters etc. What I can't understand is why do people are insulting or judging those who are just feeling some emotions that differ from theirs. Just bc you can't understand or you don't feel the same way that you all have the right to judge us. Like, why do they feel obligated to defend her as if she was real? As if we were monsters who would let a child dies all alone in the woods without any compassion. Disliking kids doesn't mean being heartless. But here, this is just fiction, and I really don't care at all. The only emotion she makes me feel is annoyance and I have the right to feel that way bc she's not real and the author is good enough to makes me feel something with just a fictional character. Don't treat fiction as reality. And just bc you can't understand other's opinions doesn't mean that you're right and you have the right to judge us? Do u feel attacked bc you're a kid or what? Be mature and accept and respect the fact that people have different opinions (about hating kids in general)
She's annoying but she's just a kid, I agree, but saying that every mature kid is mature bc has a trauma is really exaggerated. Here it's not even about being mature, just listening to someone telling you it's dangerous. And don't worry, hating a side character in a story you're reading just for purple haired guy and his soon-to-be boyfriend doesn't make you a child abuser in need of therapy in real life.
Omg thank you, you are so damn right.
Exactly lmfao it’s not about anything else but her not listening and her stupid actions leading for someone else getting hurt and endangering herself and him - especially becuz of the situation they’re in rn
Kids can be mature if they’re raised right and healthily, and are probably more mature than those who have trauma, so what op is saying makes no sense
Like srsly, if I hurt myself becuz I was stupid, then I was being stupid
And if I hurt someone else becuz of that, then it’s even more stupid
Take it from someone who literally slaughtered her arm and almost bled out becuz they punched glass to scare her sister like a ghost in a haunted house
And idk about anyone else, but I just find her annoying, which I feel like is understandable, like this child is being dumb, like just cuz she’s a child I’m not gonna excuse everything they do.
Well ik what I said was joking around, which was "this is why children are so punchable" I was joking, I’d never actually hit a child cuz that would be messed up
And ppl r allowed to get frustrated if they see someone doing something stupid, it’s not like just cuz it ain’t real, ppl r unable to feel anything about it
shes not a real kid either way also didnt see ur thing but u are speaking for other ppl when youre like 'a lot of us are joking', either way people wouldnt know if u didnt have any clear indication that u were joking. and again, shes not doing anything stupid, and shes like fictional.
Lol true ig some ppl r being serious in the comments
I literally said "for those who can’t tell: I’m joking" lmfao
She was being stupid imo, cuz she didn’t listen to someone to be careful, and she ended up hurting herself and someone else - again take it from someone who’s done something just as stupid
Even if she’s fictional ppl will still get frustrated lol, mostly cuz they’re so invested with city boy
yeah i said before i didnt see your original comment about wanting to hurt her as like a joke, but people really are taking it a bit too far about a child doing childish things.
Yeah, I see some full on rants and it’s a bit much loll
Kids will be kids, they won't listen to adults. I doubt you listened to adults all the time when you were younger without some sort of yelling or hitting and yelling/hitting kids is illegal and can cause damage to a child's mental state.
I'm not saying she was blameless and I'm not saying every single one of you who don't like kids are bad, I'm saying that there's no actual reason to be mad at the kid to the extent that a lot of people are.
Obviously I know that you're going to avoid kids if you don't like them or you don't know how to deal with them, but that seems not healthy to do? You need to learn to deal with people in life.
You can't avoid children forever. You'll have to interact with them at some point, maybe when you're an adult and people joking about how they want to hurt kids is pretty bad.
Some of you aren't talking about hurting kids, and you're saying it's her fault that they got in that situation, and that's true. But she's a kid.
You kind of can't be too mad at her for not having enough foresight to know that she could genuinely get hurt. She's obviously led a pretty sheltered life with her dad protecting her constantly and she needs to learn to grow. That's fine. Hurting a kid on purpose however as retaliation when they it was an accident is not fine and that is why I'm mad.
True some ppl r overreacting
Actually ppl could probably just avoid kids forever. Unless ur married or u have a job involving kids, there’s no reason for u to interact with them.
You can’t be too mad at her, but u probably should tell her, omg bruh that was stupid, apologize pls.
And nobody is actually hitting the kid lol. Just getting mad at them.
I mean, family members could have kids and that means you'll have to meet them, a kid on a train could start chatting to you and that means you'll have to interact with them. It's pretty difficult to not ever talk to or meet a kid.
Also, some people are saying that they'd hit the kid or that they'd leaver her there to possibly die without a care and that feels like sociopathic/psychopathic behaviour to me so yeah, I'm sorry for being defensive about an issue that I deem serious enough to care about.
Children are children. I agree that they can be mature but in a stressful situation which they likely haven't encountered before, they're not going to know what to do. You can't expect them to stay level headed and listen to an adult because kids often think they know everything they need to know.
Those who have trauma can be seen as 'more mature' and by that I mean, less energetic, more repressed and someone who lets things happen even though a normal kid will throw a tantrum. If a child has been abandoned multiple times before, they're going to have trust issues and will be more prone to letting people leave without much complaint. They might cry, but they won't throw a tantrum. That is considered mature behaviour.
They have a lack of emotional maturity if you think about it, but I think a lot of people would have preferred it if she just listened to the adult without complaint, but most of the time children only listen to the adult without complaint if the adult thoroughly explains the situation with hand-holding or if the child is scared of the adult.
If you hurt yourself because you were being stupid, yes, you were being stupid, but it's unlikely you knew any better. You only call it stupid after the moment, not during it. That's why we have the freedom to say that what the girl did was stupid, but she wouldn't have known that in the comic. She is a child, who doesn't have the experience and as much intelligence of her surroundings.
It's not an excuse either, but a reason. She will need to face consequences but leaving her in the forest to possibly die or get hurt, or be slapped, hit or yelled at is not right regardless and that is what a lot of people are saying that the girl deserves.
Being less energetic doesn't mean being mature, you can be the quietest person in the world and be an idiot or you can make a mess and still be more mature. You're just talking about dealing with emotions, which has little to do with what happened here and no link with a child listening or not to adults (and being less energetic doesn't mean being a victim of abuse so...).
I can't understand how we are creating a drama over a drawing really lmao You should not take at heart people (over)reacting to a comic, I'm sure most of those people, if they were into a situation like that in real life, would try to help the child. I think it's wrong assuming a person's moral based on some comments over a fictional (!!!) story.
When I was younger I used to dislike children, but now I'm more on a neutral opinion. They indeed have to be protected and I think there is no worse crime than child abuse. But, in this specific case, this girl needs to learn a couple of things, especially listening if someone is telling you that it is dangerous going in that direction or I don't know, open your eyes and watch where you're going.
I do understand where you're coming from but I'm not complaining about people who are just saying that she's annoying, I'm talking about people who are saying that they would actually leave her or yell at her or hit her.
Her dealing with emotions do actually have a lot to do with her listening to an adult, as all children don't listen to adults when they're going through something and a lot of the time, there'll be kids who purposefully don't listen to adults they don't like or those who aren't particularly nice to them.
If you aren't meaning anything seriously, then okay, I'm sorry for overreacting. I couldn't tell it was a joke because it's difficult to tell through text, especially when I don't know you very well. But also because sometimes shitty people exist on the internet and it's difficult to tell. Also because I doubt that the people ranting about how they would abandon the kid are just joking.
I also used to dislike children younger than I was when I was a kid but now, I like kids and I appreciate them. Yeah, they can be a pain in the ass, but if you take care of them properly, they'll be okay and so will you.
And also, yes, I agree that she should have watched where she was going and listened to the adult, but she probably didn't think that something like a cliff would be right there because she's a child in an unfamiliar environment. She doesn't know that you can randomly fall off cliffs. It's like how sometimes you don't register something as a danger until it's too late and the problem/disaster's already happened and at that point, all you can do is pick up the pieces and try to fix the situation.
Also because children are very "I'm not going to listen to an adult and I'm going to do what I want." a lot of the time.
Um that's not mature... lol what? Letting people go more easily, and then feeling as if they were going to leave anyways, so they won’t let it get to them is considered maturity? What? That’s not maturity, it’s emotional issues that are unhealthy for that person.
Uh but it’s still stupid lol.
All these ppl r overstating I’m pretty sure that they wouldn’t actually hit the kid or get mad at them outwardly.
Here the best comment I found which sums up pretty much everything and show how this debate is useless = Loving how ppl can condemn other ppl for wanting to beat a fictional character. As if it necessarily means they're going to do it in real life.
The problem rests mostly on how the authors choose to depict kids in their works, here how the girl acted was believable especially with the background the author gave her.
So if you're annoyed at kids in general its alright if this girl allows u to vent ur frustration, because she won't be hurt by your comments since it's a character to begin with.
That was my original point!
What lots of people seem to consider "mature" is not mature at all, and incredibly unhealthy and children acting like kids and being bratty is relatively normal! And a good thing to an extent! It means the kid isn't scared.
And yes, people could be overstating, but I don't know that. And sometimes people aren't. You can't just expect people to be decent because sometimes they are not. Also, I don't consider joking about leaving children to maybe die, or hitting them or yelling at them to be funny. I don't think joking about anyone getting hurt is funny. And why would you overstate a serious issue? There is no reason to do that.
What lots of adults consider to be "mature" isn't mature at all but you can't deny that if a kid is quiet or they do things that you ask them to do without much of a fuss, they're considered smarter, and generally more "mature". The same way, if a child raises less of a fuss and lets things happen, they're considered "mature" or just easier to handle.
It's unhealthy, yes. It's terrible, I agree, but a lot of the times, adults don't give a shit because they're bad people. My initial point in this was that the commenters who were talking about the kid getting hurt seemed to want the kid to be very quiet, and not like a child at all.
As well as that, you might say that you're pretty sure that they're overstating, but I don't know that. You don't know that. It might be a joke, an overstatement, but I personally don't find jokes or exaggerations about hitting/yelling at kids very funny. Of course, if that's your brand of humour, then as long as it stays as just words, that's fine but a lot of people wouldn't consider that very funny. Especially in the way that they've written all the ranting comments about how they would just leaver her to possibly die in the forest.
What lots of adults consider to be "mature" isn't mature at all but you can't deny that if a kid is quiet or they do things that you ask them to do without much of a fuss, they're considered smarter, and generally more "mature". The same way, if a child raises less of a fuss and lets things happen, they're considered "mature" or just easier to handle.
It's unhealthy, yes. It's terrible, I agree, but a lot of the times, adults don't give a shit because they're bad people. My initial point in this was that the commenters who were talking about the kid getting hurt seemed to want the kid to be very quiet, and not like a child at all.
As well as that, you might say that you're pretty sure that they're overstating, but I don't know that. You don't know that. It might be a joke, an overstatement, but I personally don't find jokes or exaggerations about hitting/yelling at kids very funny. Of course, if that's your brand of humour, then as long as it stays as just words, that's fine but a lot of people wouldn't consider that very funny. Especially in the way that they've written all the ranting comments about how they would just leaver her to possibly die in the forest.
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I guess I see where you're coming from?
I don't agree with you, if only because I've been told I'm a bleeding heart and I end up empathising very easily with everyone, and I agree that children can be annoying and you can have urges to yell or hit them, but I don't think venting at a fictional character is a very good coping mechanism or anything.
I don't like how people talk about hitting kids, because a) it's not funny, b) there's not real reason to do that and c) It's immature and childish to talk about how you want to hit someone for hurting a character.
See, I get where your coming from, but by your logic, I should be allowed to hate any character for any reason without getting any form of disagreement other than a general "agree to disagree" type of thing. But that's also wrong?
Let's take Sangwoo for example. He's a fictional character, and if I expressed liking him, people would be right to debate me or argue with me, because that mindset of liking him is wrong. He's a bad person. Yeah, he's fictional, but so what? That doesn't make him good. I'm wrong for liking a bad character. As a person.
You can like asshole characters. That's common. I understand. But you need to add that you don't see them as a person. The same way, you should say that you don't see the kid in the manhwa as a kid, but just a plot point or a trigger for the plot.
But people aren't doing that, they're relating this character who is a kid, with real children, saying things like "This is why I don't like kids." and etc. I think that's fine. But the people who are talking about how they would leave her to die, yell at her or whatever really don't seem like they're not aware that she's a child.
The same way, if you express violent urges towards characters (which I don't have a fundamental problem with, I think everyone does it to some extent) I tend to get a little concerned. If a character is an asshole on purpose and knows how to be decent, but doesn't because they're a dick and an all around terrible person, then yeah! I guess I would break his legs? But if a character has done something on accident, really doesn't mean to hurt anyone, then no.
I judge characters like I would judge people. That's actually incredibly common. I'm not being too emotional, or anything. I'm making sense. You might feel attacked because I don't approve of you venting on a character, but at the end of the day, I don't really care as long as you aren't hurting any kids in real life.
I might not agree that venting your frustrations about kids on a fictional character is good, and I might think that something you should work out in therapy or something, but really, in the end, I do not give a shit unless you are going to hurt a kid.
Also, venting in this way really seems unhealthy since one day you could explode on a a kid or just a person who doesn't deserve it. Please, check out therapy, it's actually pretty good as long as you don't have suicidal thoughts because self-harming thoughts and desires have to be reported by the therapist, but other than that it's all good.
Most people in the comment are saying how much they're annoyed by her and hate her. There is absolutely no problem to be annoyed or hating a fictional character. Especially if it's only a side character that we don't care about bc we're focused on the main story. How could you know what's healthy and what's not ? Just bc you don't understand doesn't mean we are wrong and telling to someone that they need to have a therapy bc you cannot dissociated fiction and reality is fucked up. Just bc we don't care about a fictional kid doesn't mean that we would have the same reaction in front of a real kid. It's bc she's fictional that we allowed ourself to express some type of emotions that we would never express if this whole situation was real. If you can't distinguish fiction and reality and treat this side character as a real human being, then that's your problem but don't try to sermon those who don't treat fiction as equal as reality.
"by your logic, I should be allowed to hate any character for any reason without getting any form of disagreement other than a general "agree to disagree" type of thing" = yes ? You are allowed to like or dislike any fictional character ????? We're not talking about Hitler ? who is a real humans who actually did harmed real people ?
Nobody is saying that Sangwoo is a noce person, people like him simply bc he's hot. He's a horrible person but HE IS hot. Bc he's fictional, people have the right to be attracted to his appearance ?
There is absolutely nothing unhealthy to vent your frustration on fictional character tho ? What's unhealthily is to vent your frustration on actual people ? Like, I really can't understand your logic.
Many people didn't say they'd hit her, they just say that they're annoyed by her and people like u are telling them to get some therapy bc they're fucked up ? Like, they can hate her bc she's not real and she'd not be affected by any of our exaggerated comments bc sh's not real ? As I already said, we don't treat fiction as equal as reality bc unlike you we can dissociate fiction and reality.
No?? I'm not talking about liking them because they're hot, I'm talking about liking them as a character. Or glossing over the fact that he was an abusive person because he's hot. I know that some people just like how hot he is and disagrees with his personality, but I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about people who actively (or passively I suppose) idolise his behaviour because they like him as a character.
I should be reprimanded if I like a character that is bad because I like their character. It's an entirely different matter if it's just that you think they look attractive or whatever, but if you like a character even if they're bad, that's bad.
And it can be considered unhealthy to vent on a character to an extent. The point of a therapist is so that you don't vent on a character. It's not fucked up? Not in a big way or anything, but it could be harmful to the person and the people around them. Getting therapy isn't even a "hey you're broken, so talk to this person." therapy is literally venting but the person is agreeing to listen to you and also giving you advice on how to deal with your emotions properly.
Again, I'm not talking about most people, I'm talking about the ones that said they were going to hit her. And possibly leave her to die. And of course fiction isn't the same as reality, but to an extent, it can mirror reality and can trigger empathy in a lot of readers. It triggered my empathy because I have a soft stop towards children and that is why I am mad at all these people who are saying they would leave her because it's not logical or a generally nice thing to do.
Yes, they could not be meaning it, but really, what reason other than "they do mean it a little bit at least" would they have to write it and post it? It's not funny, there's literally no actual reason to post it. If it's obviously sarcastic, then I do get the joke a little bit. It's dark humour. But people writing paragraphs about how they wouldn't care about the kid is a little much, don't you think?
Also, most of the time, I can't tell if people are being serious or not, because people on this site are often assholes. They are. They do shitty things (like the entire fetishizing lgbt+ people thing) and have wrong/misinformed opinions (which I suspect is because they're teenagers) and that's fine to an extent but sometimes they joke about things that are serious in an insensitive way and I get why. But that doesn't mean that they're right and someone should tell them that they're wrong.
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Honestly though, if they make an arc about how inhuman and mentally not okay he is, then there's likely to be two out-comes.
One, It's really good and makes you empathise with Han Bin whilst simultaneously putting him in situations that he most likely wouldn't have gotten thrown in if he wasn't scarred and he manages to pull himself out eventually and get better or at least gets on the track of getting better. Sort of like "Hey this man is a sad idiot, but he's only an idiot because of valid reasons."
or Two, They idealise the fact that he's "dangerous" and completely gloss over the fact that he probably needs help.
Honestly rooting for one, but I think I still wouldn't drop it if it were the second choice, either because I'm desensitised or because this comic is just that fun to read.
Okay, but can we appreciate the fact that the love interest is actually in the MC's age range?? Because they're both mature and they both care and holy crap I felt warmth in my heart when he turned to the prince nd said 'you're more trouble than when you were young" like I-
Hey, for those mourning the ship of Jay and Daniel, if it's any consolation, there are approximately 130 fanfictions written about them and Jay is suspected to be canonically gay and crushing on Daniel? Although it is heavily implied that Daniel only sees Jay as a friend apparently.
Σ(っTД T)っ noooooo I want Jay X Daniel to happen so badd!!!
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People are getting upset that others don't like this manga but I'm confused.
Yeah, it's fake, but it's still not correct?
It can make people uncomfortable if they read something that they know is inherently wrong and the author seems to be doing nothing to actually imply anything else.
The dom/sub relationship is based on trust and mutual respect, yes. And this manga concentrates on the sexual aspect of it. For people just looking for something arousing, this manga can be fine. But for others, not so much.
If you read paedophilia, you don't have grounds to say "oh, but it's fake, so it's okay to promote this kind of content." Which isn't true??
This is a misrepresentation and it's perfectly okay to dislike it because the content might be related to something you connect with or something you care about.
This seems to be a problem.
I think, that if it's fictional, it's generally okay to read, as long as we are all clear that it is fictional. Not real. Shouldn't ever, probably, be real.
But if someone is uncomfortable with it, no matter the reason, I don't think you should be allowed to complain to them that it's fake.
Additionally, to me it just seems like you're getting defensive. You know subconsciously that the content is wrong but you don't want to admit that. So anyone who dislikes or is uncomfortable with it gets attacked or shamed for "being sensitive" or whatever.
what's fake im confused asf xD
Sorry, I was kinda pissed by people attacking others for dropping the manga when I wrote this, I meant: "It's fictional so it's okay to promote this kind of content"
And by 'it', I meant the type of manga that puts paedophilia or rape in a romantic light.
This just had the aura of someone who's really gay, and is into fantasy, possibly a history buff but he has internalized homophobia and is also one of the people who would look at a clearly lgbtq+ person and just say that they were a cishet, then one day wrote this, wishing that they could be either Sauro or arsenio and I don't know how to feel about that.
But on the other hand this low-key feels like a really passionate shonen manga where there are these two dudes with stellar chemistry, yet he ends up with a girl he saves once and she starts to low-key idolize him or something.
You, smooth small brain: Oh, it's so sad, Rebecca and Naska have unrequited love!!
Me, big, wrinkly brain: Ah, but- P o l y a m o r y.
They can all be happy together as a big poly couple.
oh for the wish for that to happen ┗( T﹏T )┛
Dude all I want is for all three of them to be happy