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If that Painter of the night with top abusing the shit out of bottom 10x can have a sweet happy ending with everyone sucking Seungho's dick as if he was the sweet summer child then dw Jaekyung is way mild compared to all lmao so yeah it would be way easier to redeem him.

Thankyouuu, was thinking exactly that. It’s honestly so tiring how many people are calling him a black flag when they literally made a deal. Jae gives money, Kim Dan offers sex in return. People are acting like Jae forced himself onto him meanwhile Kim literally himself accepted all the offers. So yeah the redemption arc shouldnt take that long

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People who call him black flag seems like jinx is their first BL cause no way you are calling Jaekyung a black glad. He is not even dark red in the first place. Is he an asshole, jerk? Yes but man's just too mild compared to the shitty tops I have read lmao so it's really funny when people say I dunno how the author will redeem himself girl it's a lot easier to redeem him if a literal psychopath like Caesar is getting redeemed lmao.

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Yeah, I agree that everything they did inside their deal was fine because Kim Dan willingly came back. Jaekyung was an asshole, sure, but they had an agreement. The part that irks me and the reason I wrote my comment in the first place is because of the stalking, harassment and abuse AFTER the deal ended which isn't justifiable. I don't know why people would rather die defending Jaekyung's name than admit he's a douchebag (atleast after the deal with Kim Dan ended). I'm still hoping he has a good redemption arc or he dies

He's definitelyyyyy dark red, not black, but dark red. I think the amount of toxic content on here has just drastically dropped the bar of standard for most people. Jaekyung verbally and physically abuses people around him to find the location of someone who wants nothing to do with him, he's a borderline rapist, abuser, narcissist, and so many other things. He's definitely not mild and I've read my fair share of toxic tops, the only thinking keeping his flag red and not black is that he hasn't committed murder and isn't batshit crazy (arguable). Like someone else mentioned I hope the redemption arc is as good as the painter of the night one lol.

The deal just ended when Dan left, the first time they met again Jaekhyung saved his life otherwise he would’ve killed himself. I also wouldn’t let someone be alone after they attempted, even if I would come off as a stalker or just annoying. That Jaekyung is a jerk isnt new, but it isnt like he has done things that are unforgivable.

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Jaekyung isn’t staying around Kim Dan so that Kim Dan doesn’t kill himself out of the love of his heart, lmao. He doesn’t give a fuck about people unless they benefit him, which Dan does. You’re desperately searching for some sort of romantic chemistry to justify his actions when there is none. He’s done plenty that are unforgivable, your standards are just all over the place because of the amount of toxic yaoi on here setting it low.

I disagree with him being dark red lol. I have read my fair share of BLs too and I can say he is a red flag and not a dark red. He is a massive asshole, jerk and an abuser? Yeah, but I would still say what he has done is so mild compared to the other red flags bl tops. Him going at Heesung doesn't make him a dark red lmao. The only problem with Jaekyung is his personality is not charming and his EQ is abysmal are the reasons he gets a lot of hate because I see people simping over Zhenya despite being 10x worse than jjk. Also painter of the night redemption is not good lmao if you really wanna quote a good one you should quote Taeju's redemption arc from low tide in Twilight. With that being said my point is jjk is one of the easiest bl tops to redeem... all he gotta do his fix his personality.

I was going to quote Taeju's redemption arc, I heavily agree with you there, though Jaekyung will not be easy to redeem. I think a lot of readers have become desensitized to abuse in BLs, so they minimize the severity of the abuse and try to justify it by saying "well, there's worse". I also used to think these weren't that bad until I took a year break from reading and actually re-read them properly. I think Jaekyung could've been redeemed right after the deal between him and Dan ended, with an apology at the very LEAST after he found out Dan didn't screw him over. The way he acts after the deal ended, especially all events after Dan tries to off himself is where I don't think he could ever do enough to turn into a decent person with a redemption arc. His personality isn't even the problem, he's clearly mentally ill with the mentality of a disobedient child who breaks things and gets angry when he doesn't get what he wants. Defending an abuser while the victim is actively trying to go no-contact and escape them is just crazy in itself.

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If you can agree with Taeju's redemption arc then it's really not crazy to think jjk can be redeemed too because he didn't even do half of what Taeju did to his bottom. I do agree that there is so much toxicity and abuse in BLs that it makes you desensitised. I have to disagree with you here that jjk could have been redeemed with an apology NOPE if he has apologised right after that it would be doing 180 and would be so out of character for him. Jjk is a brat who acts like a spoiled child and very childish in nature. He needs to first realise that what he did to Dan is horrible and he shouldn't have treated him that way. Rn he doesn't even realise his own feelings him slowly realising that how much he fucked up and then genuinely apologising for what he did and try to amend his past actions would be perfect for his character. And I'm sorry his personality is the problem lol...I stand by it because there is a reason why people hate him but love the literal psychopaths tops. I never said jjk is not an abuser? Also you need to understand that this is a fiction and a BL at the end of the day, not real life.

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I understand the distinction between fiction and real life, but I still have morals, like others on here do. I would love to see what you suggested for a possible redemption arc. Though I feel like the author could have started that after seeing Dan try to kill himself, it was the perfect opportunity to atleast show an inner monologue that maybe Jaekyung isn’t completely sociopathic and ignorant to Dan’s feelings. Buuuuuuuut the author decided to go with making Jaekyung stalk and harrass Dan after the deal ended, show up to his workplace and manipulate people to further inject himself into Dan’s life (who wants nothing to do with him), and even move in next to him. Jaekyung is sociopathic and does things purely if it benefits himself, NOT because he gives a fuck about Dan lmao. And Dan is literally developing - by definition - Stockholm Syndrome from the abuse which just goes to show even more. And no you didn’t say say Jaekyung is an abuser, but you’re trivializing his abusive behaviour by calling it mild, refusing to acknowledge it and even defending it. It’s okay to admit that he’s abusive lmfao, I don’t know why you guys would rather jump through hoops. But we can still hope the author makes a decent ending like they did with BJ alex.

I literally agreed that he is an abuser lol? "He needs to first realise that what he did to Dan is horrible and he shouldn't have treated him that way. Rn he doesn't even realise his own feelings him slowly realising that how much he fucked up and then genuinely apologising for what he did and try to amend his past actions would be perfect for his character" I dunno why did you even get that idea when ai literally said this.

Oh well I don't apply real life morals on fiction and fictional characters lol because it doesn't make any sense as they are not real. I enjoy all type of characters if they interest me. I love when characters are flawed and have a good character development guess that's not everyone's cup of tea.

Jaekyung is not monster lmao he has feelings and there are many instances you can see that he does. I just feel like you just hate his character to even see anything good in him and that's okay I guess everyone has their opinion.

I have a totally different picture about his redemption and arc and love that the author is going in the right path also people need to understand that this is a slow burn.

"Jaekyung stalk and harrass Dan after the deal ended, show up to his workplace and manipulate people to further inject himself into Dan’s life (who wants nothing to do with him), and even move in next to him" you seem to gauge this with real life morals meanwhile it's just a popular trope in BL lol so I just take it that way instead of getting offended over it or sumn....also JINX is a dark romance and I knew what I was getting myself into so I'm not going to complain and whine about its dark concepts cause as I said I knew what I was signing up for.

I read the not abuser part as ‘as abuser’, fault on my end. And you are literally proving my point by saying that it’s a popular trope in BL so its not that bad. You’re so yaoi brained that you’re trying to delude yourself into thinking Jaekyung has feelings or anything redeeming about him when there is literally nothing other than being dedicated to MMA. Currently he has shown none of the feelings you so strongly believe that he has. You can attach real life morals to fiction, while still being aware of the difference. For example I think you’d be disturbed if there was p*dophilic content on here even though its fictional, because you still have morals. Don’t get me wrong I also like a toxic romance and I always try to see the good in shitty tops. I’ve read obey me, sadistic beauty, killing stalking, among other popular toxic reads and I enjoyed those. But there is no chemistry in this and Jaekyung isn’t toxic out of love for Dan, he’s toxic out of concern for himself. He’s flavorless, boring, and just a piece of shit. Saying that he’s not a monster respectfully makes you look extremely deluded. Like even now I am STILL trying to see the good in Jaekyung even after everything but currently he has done nothing. The attempted suicide scene by Dan had me so hopeful to see even a glimpse of something into his character to make me believe he wasnt just an abusive pos, but alas again, disappointed. I am still hoping for a possible redemption even though I still believe he’s past that point.

Did Dan feared Jk's presence? Jk is following Dan to hire him again as his pt. He's trying convincing him to comeback to him. Jk has reasons to do so. Dan is a good employee and is sincere to his work. Jk misses that ( see the last chapter when his working out at his living room,the room feels empty without Dan's presence ). Jk can no longer ignore the fact that he's into Dan. He used the term ' confusing feelings' to deny what he really feels. Jk needs to organize his feelings for Dan and it needs time for that. He's developing special feelings for him and the process is slow.
Jk seemed selfish because of his statement in the last chapter ( 61 ) but like I always said,Jk is not a perfect character. He has his flaws like any person. He's egoistic,but we still don't know the reason why? Maybe because he's living alone,popular, successful,rich..but we still don't know the root cause of his bad side. Jk said that he just needs to see Dan to name that feeling that is creeping under his skin,but coincidentally,on his way to where Dan is,he saw him on the beach. Dan, because of exhaustion did not notice that he's on the way to drown himself. Jk witnessed that. It was his second time to witness Dan drowning,so instinctively,he cannot leave him alone.
Jk went straight to the head doctor to request Dan as his pt,well he really was injured,so his action is valid. He paid granny a visit because Jk is granny's benefactor and granny is somewhat special to Jk. You can see how Dan appreciated that gesture from Jk. Dan asked Jk if he was there for him? Jk did not answer but hired him as his pt instead,so ofc,Dan will act hard to get but he did not feared Jk there. If we go back to the chapter 59(?) when he reunited with Heesung and potato,Dan said that he was happy to see them again but he thinks of Jk. He misses Jk that's why he said that he was at ease but his heart felt empty.
Like you said,Jk only needs to fix his personality. Yes, he's a fixable person. All he needs to do is to put his ego down and ask Dan for forgiveness. And,we are getting there. Like I said,it will take time. I like all your comments

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can't deny how rational and accurate your comment is

Thank you Angel

I didnt mean to make it out to be romantic, that Jaekyung is around Dan rn is for his own benefit (ofc he doesnt want him to die when he still wants something from him?). But wasn’t Dan also with Jaekyung for his own benefit at the time? Like I said Jaekyung is a jerk, everyone knows that but with a good redemption arc it isn’t like he has done things that are unforgivable. Being able to forgive Taeju while he literally raped him multiple times as to Jae and Kim who had a deal (even if Kim did it for his own reasons/money), so it was consensual. Was he good to him? No, but he didnt do it without consent atleast unlike Taeju who you found ‘redeemable’

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I'm not delusional enough to think Jaekyung loves Dan? Why are you even putting words in my mouth from that time lol However I can see he does have something extra for Dan. We will now see him slowly falling in love with Dan which is the point of this redemption arc.

"But there is no chemistry in this and Jaekyung isn’t toxic out of love for Dan, he’s toxic out of concern for himself. He’s flavorless, boring, and just a piece of shit." Interesting. Ngl it seems like you hate everything about Jinx as a whole especially jjk so I'm suprised why you still reading it? Cause I wouldn't waste my time if this how I feel about the main character.

"Saying that he’s not a monster respectfully makes you look extremely deluded" not really? Lol cause unlike you I neither love him nor hate him as a character so I can see where you can't.

" The attempted suicide scene by Dan had me so hopeful to see even a glimpse of something into his character to make me believe he wasnt just an abusive pos, but alas again, disappointed. I am still hoping for a possible redemption even though I still believe he’s past that point." .........I'm once again baffled if you have already decided that nothing gonna change, if you have already decided that you gonna hate the shit out of jjk no matter what, if you have already assumed that Mingwa can't write then what's the point of reading this manhwa? I guess hate reading is a new thing these days?

Taeju wasn't in love with Euihyun at first,too. Euihyun was desperate that's why he went to the ocean with his lil bro to end their lives,but Taeju caught them. And,what happened next???
Dan was desperate went to Jk's house and made an agreement with Jjk for 15000 grands. After the loan sharks almost gang raped Dan,Dan has no house to return to,lived with Jjk. Jjk offered his house unlike Taeju who let Euihyun live in that small apartment and only went there to fuck Euihyun. Jjk paid all Dan's debts,and granny's hospital bill and meds. There's no drugging in Jinx too unlike in Waterside Night,jjk is not involve in any activities related to that.

For clarification: Dan did not commit suicide. In chapter 60,he did not know that he went that far. He was emotionally and physically exhausted and became half asleep. He wanted to see grandma in the hospital but went to the ocean instead . When Jk scolded him,he was confused. He is not suicidal because of Jjk. Anyways,I like this comment again.

@Domosama and @Domosama can y'all just gimme a minute to take my breath?? your words are so amazing to the point that i reread them again

lmao ppl keep ignoring all the good things that JK has done for kim dan's sake, so pathetic!!

*@ktdkzone and @Domosama

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Just wanted to join the thread to a) get notifs if the discussion continues, b) respond to some interesting points myself eventually, and c) just say thank you for articulating so well some of the things I’ve experienced while reading Jinx and while participating in these discussions with people about it.

Like how it feels like there seems to be a huge split in the perception of the severity of Jaekyung’s actions based on whether people are approaching this story as its own standalone thing or as just one of many BLs/“dark romances” that includes dark/taboo characters and themes but, frankly, does nothing really worthwhile with them.

Or how just because a character is fictional doesn’t mean you can’t judge and evaluate the morality of their actions (part of reading and enjoying any story is doing just that, learning about and understanding why a character behaves the way they do AND ALSO whether they were right or wrong to behave in that way, based off a variety of factors).

Or yeah…reading other stories with toxic tops and enjoying them and their character and their dynamic with their bottoms much more than in Jinx…trying to see the so-called “good” in Jaekyung (beyond the bare minimum good a human is owed another human and what he does for his own personal convenience)…being disappointed over and over again by moments that feel like they could show us a different side not only to Jaekyung but to Dan as well…

Exactly, thankyou. The last sentence especially is ON POINT. I can tolerate so much BS and abuse in toxic Bl's, but there's an extent to where I think it can't be forgiven or forgotten at least. And yeah, super disappointed over and over when the author had an opportunity to show a different side to Jaekyung and Dan. I'm super drunk right now so I don't want to get any further but you get it completely. Thankyou.