this manwha feels like a fever dream, what the fuck did i just put my eyes through
bro, my thoughts exactly
tbh i dont see much wrong with this manwha. children fall for adults all the time. its the adult who should know better. and in here, tho hyo-un loves taehyuk, taehyuk doesnt see him as more than a kid who talks nonsense and doesnt anyone besides him. so naturally hyo-un will be drawn to him. and the whole moral of dragons and their age are different from us but when he takes the form of a human child, hes just that, a child. i think we’re not even sure about hyo-uns real age as a dragon as all we’re told is he leaves the river for the first time and takes the for of a child as a child was the first living creature he saw. but oh well, as nothing happened between hyo-un and taehyuk as hyo-un was in the form of a child, it should be okay??
tl;dr: hyo-un took the form of a child bc it was the first living creature he saw upon leaving the river. child hyo-un loves taehyuk as he was the first human who was kind to him. taehyuk doesnt love hyo-un that way and only takes care of him.
Whatever helps you sleep at night lol
That's a lot of mental gymnastics just to admit that something can be morally wrong/dubious even if you enjoy reading it ┐(´ー｀)┌ but you do you. I'm fine admitting it. It's incredible uncomfortable that literally everyone in the story points to Hyo-Un having the mental age of a child, regardless of his body or dragon status. I wish it was never part of the story and I'll never read it as happily as I did before, even though I still like it.
no im not saying i enjoy it nor am i saying it makes me comfortable. i wouldnt even dream of thinking child hyo-un and taehyuk, an adult, could be together romantically. im just saying children think the way hyo-un does all the time but that doesnt automatically make it okay. he has the mentality of a child so he doesnt know any better. and taehyuk is right for not reciprocating those feelings towards a child
Thats the thinggg, I wish there are no sexual thing happen between them in the past version. But some people post a spoiler that that is really not the case. Maybe we should just wait for the next chapter and see what happen. I was really happy to see a fantasy/supernatural manga with quite a healthy relationship (okay they have a bit of non cons early on) and i was hoping later on the male lead will learn healthy boundaries...but my bad for hoping too much
A kid liking an adult can be comedic if done right, like Becky liking Lloyd in SpyxFamily..and Lloyd are just uncomfortable or thinking about spy stuff the whole time. But this is a BL world after all, gotta give the horny all the cakes hahaha
....... but u are reading the manhwa tho
It’s the truth though? A lot of kids develop some sort of crush for adults, not always but sometimes. You can also clearly see that Taehyuk is super awkward and uncomfortable with this whole “growth spurt”, meaning he has no feeling for Hyo-(idk how to spell his name) in that manner. But of course, with time Taehyuk will slowly become comfortable with him and maybe reciprocate those feeligs. (Even in the raws, after doing something with Hyo Un, he felt really iffy and avoided him a bit, which is a valid response)— This is kinda spoiling so don’t read if u don’t want to.
I'm not saying this isn't the case, I'm just shocked at how people are trying to deny it's "problematic" elements with justifications like "he is a dragon so it's not predatory".
Taehyuk is awkward because he hasn't had time to process Hyo-un's increasingly bold advances or his growth spurt, both of which are understandably quite the development, yet it is not entirely unrequited on Taehyuk's part. I do not have any issues with these kinds of tropes or depictions on fictional media, in fact I love Hyo-un and past Taehyuk's relationship ("problematic" aspects and all), just that people are so quick to justify and play blind. Of course everyone is free to like or dislike these developments, it just seems like OP has gone through a lot of imagined scenarios to sorta be okay with this story. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Oh of course, I agree as well. Even if Hyo-un is a dragon, he had (probably still does in a way) a very immature and naive mindset, like one of a child. And I totally understand Taehyuk since he still raised him, no matter if he was a dragon or not. Overall, this trope is quite problematic so I like the fact that the author kind of gives taehyuk a pretty realistic reaction to Hyo-un's quick growth and feelings. Just like you, I really like Taehyuk and Hyo-un's relationship, past and present, but people have to understand that the trope itself is very complicated (controversial) and not something that should be justified. People can still love and enjoy the relationship, but they shouldn't be careless and love it blindly. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
HELP LISTEN im not justifying this at all. i literally said despite being a dragon who took the form of a child, hyo-un very well is a child and should be treated as such. especially as he also has the mind of a child who knows nothing.
if hyo-un and taehyuk fuck soon then its definitely a no from me. hyo-un JUST grew up physically, but mentally hes still basically a child. i havent seen the raws so i have no idea whats about to come. but all i see so far is a child who loves an adult but the adult doesnt reciprocate
You can read the raws here: https://newtoki315.com/webtoon/28207725?toon=BL/GL
and the machine translations (shitty but pretty understandable) here: https://zinchanmanga.com/manga/dawn-clouds-river/
On another note (spoilers): Although I think they did ykw, Taehyuk was by now, sort of taking into consideration to Hyo-un's feelings, so I wouldn't say it's really "bad". But if you simply can't handle this trope and stuff, don't force yourself, this story and this weird trope is not always for everyone :)
I actually really love their relationship as well, with the controversies or not, but of course I'm well aware of the issues with this trope... (〜￣△￣)〜
That's exactly it! I'm so used to people just throwing really serious accusations and no one really getting how complicated their relationship is.
I think the contrasting mix of "problematic" circumstances vs fate that transcends all odds is precisely the allure of these two and I'm all here for it(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Nah, I get it. I for real thought your original comment was one of the same ones I've been reading ever since this webtoon entered its flashback arc. The amount of times I've seen people justify everything in a dehumanizing manner, as if him being a dragon suddenly negates the fact that this is quite literally a kid, lmao. I really have no issue with these tropes being included, it's just that these people seem like hypocrites #－.－)
Exactly. Read what you want, enjoy what you want, but don't call us crazy for thinking that an adult and child-coded character being in a relationship is problematic. It is problematic.
THEYRE SO CUTE I LOVE THEM SO BAD. THIS STORY IS SO GOOD AND I LOVE JUHEONS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. but we all know we gotta buckle up for angst soon
no buckle up for hot sexy smut (づ￣ ³￣)づ
that too youre so right
THE ARCS JUST KEEP GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE ART STYLE !! i love how in this most recent arc we get so see so much more abt the servants’ backgrounds. and im so glad the psychological horror is coming out more and more. its unfortunate black butler is chalked up to being “a cringe show all early anime watchers watch” but the manga is so good. i cant wait for more to be animated after getting caught up with the manga!! ALSO i hope oh so badly that snake wont make the wrong decision. it seems the snakes will help him to make the right decision but we can only hope he’ll be okay.
the cover was interesting but the story was disappointing… the characters are cute but the whole evil brother thing had no point and there was little to no plot at all. and not to mention the hella fast pace. the art style was nice tho.
like, the mother was killed for no reason, the brother came back for no reason, and wol who just confessed goes to sleep with another man?? i hope this author comes up with better stories in the future…
T-T thought the same thing. The art is sooooo good, but there are so many questions with the story.. and where's my ride cake? (Jk)
i thought all these things while reading the story as well
tbh i was hesitant to continue this when i first started reading bc of the toxicity but NOW WITH THE GENTLE APPROACH AND CONSENT !?? see this is how to add toxicity into stories; with good character development!! im so glad i continued reading this
this has to be one of my favs—if not my fav—story on here so far. even though they havent officially confessed, you can tell both their feelings for each other are there and growing. their relationship is progressing not too slowly, but also not too fast. though they have some rough spots and are slow with communication here and there, theyre so gentle and understanding of each other. its not often you find a good story with good characters excluding toxic mcs in the bl genre. i adore these two so bad, i cant wait for their confessions!
I came to check this story out bc of the cute art style only to be hit with what was essentially pedophilia. Just bc theyre now both of age doesnt suddenly make it okay. They fell in love with each other when Kotaro was an elementary student and Mizuki was a high schooler. And theres absolutely no plot, just sex. its disappointing
I don't think its pedophilia when the uke reminded himself that the seme was once the five year old kid that he met. He only describes him as an angel and sees him as a little brother and only then when the seme had graduated did they fully marry each other.
did we read the same story he did not fall in love with the kid until years later
OPERA AND KALEGO OMG EVERYONE MOVE ASIDE