MaruMaru January 19, 2024 7:14 pm

I am left with way more questions than answers, what is happening

MaruMaru January 18, 2024 4:36 pm

TL;DR – I hope Suchan realises that even though he wants to go back to human society, that's not what he needs and he actually needs a place where people will accept him for who he is. The first few chapters from Jungle Juice set up amazing potential for themes and ideas regarding social norms, conformity to society, hiding behind a facade of normalcy and eventually being accepting of differences. It's done subtly, but not so much so, that the action part is still enjoyable without a bunch of deep and profound shit being shoved in your face every now and then, and as well enhances Suchan's character. I hope the author is able to utilise this in the future.

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I wanna hope Suchan's mindset is gonna change from "I wanna go back to the human city and resume my life from before!!"; don't get me wrong, I think it definitely will, but it's been quite a while now and it still hasn't, nor has it been set up, so I'm just getting slightly worried.

See, other than its action, Jungle Juice has some REALLY good allegories and themes for fitting in, conformity, society, norms etc. which makes it quite an interesting read in comparison to a lot of other webtoons and manhwas. Most of them focus on a revenge plot and bettering oneself, and while, yes, they're fun to read, they don't really tackle ideas or send a message quite like JJ does, which separates it from the rest. That's what makes it so interesting and stands out from a lot of other webtoons, in my opinion.

I think the idea it's promoting is that not every place or everyone is going to except you for who you are, and that's okay. That there are always like-minded people, and there are always places for you, even if you're not "normal." That chasing normalcy and hiding yourself to fit in is unhealthy and draining, and not true happiness. You should embrace a place where you're truly accepted for being who you are. When Suchan is no longer wanted somewhere, he always finds a group of like-minded people that do want him, and accept him as is.

It's a GREAT theme, though not a particularly innovative. The allegory of NEST and Stray Dogs themselves, and the subtlety of this theme makes its message come off as fun and a good commentary, rather than preachy and in the reader's face. JJ seems to be gearing its direction towards this route, and also setting itself up to have themes of accepting differences in the future. However, Suchan has had an alarming lack of growth on his viewpoint.

I thought by now they would have planted the seeds of change in his mind, where he starts doubting himself and if returning to human society is what he really wants. However, I can see that maybe the author will let those conflicting thoughts occur when he's closer to getting Cinderella.

I'm still really enjoying JJ, but I hope Suchan is able to go from getting what he wants (back to human society) to getting what he actually needs in the end (acceptance from people who care about him). Otherwise, I'd feel like the story would be wasting its potential from the way they set everything up at the start.

MaruMaru October 23, 2023 1:44 pm

Every time Jaecunt does some shit I'm like "okay you can't go lower than that" AND THEN HE DOES

    yuri October 23, 2023 5:34 pm

    sorry, i meant to like but my fat ass finger clicked the wrong one

MaruMaru July 5, 2021 2:38 pm

ok but fr tho, why does MC kinda look like anime Cat Noir-

MaruMaru June 2, 2021 1:35 pm

It’s— I’m—
30cm..a foot long...that’s a subway sandwich. Have you tried to fit a subway sandwich into your pants? Probably not, but this man has to. How-
How does it fit??? I’m not understanding- Where does it all...G O?

MaruMaru June 1, 2021 11:01 am

I know I did an entire theory about why Fan isn’t the killer but Fan sus.

    ikigai June 5, 2021 2:28 am

    just read your theory and daaamn that shit’s pretty believable

MaruMaru May 25, 2021 8:52 am

Yes, slave dude is hella sus. Sus. He screams red flags. BUT, here’s my theory:
I THINK HE MIGHT JUST BE A RED HERRING. He IS suspicious, but there are some things that just don’t add up.

If I remember correctly, the slave is one of the first people Clea meets, and she interacted with him before the banquet with the Duke when she is reincarnated. This is important to note.
When Clea enters the banquet with the Duke, we have the famous line: “How is she not dead yet?”
Clea says that this is the presumed killer, so we’re going off that. The line itself implies the killer did not know Clea was alive, despite Clea appearing in high society twice after she reincarnated (that we know of).
1. When she asked the Duke to marry her in front of everyone but got rejected.
2. When she asked the Duke to talk about a marriage contract over some wine.

But, the slave does know Clea is alive. So that line simply makes no sense. Even if the slave was working for the real killer, than he would’ve reported it, but we still get that line.
With this, we can rule out the slave, he’s suspicious, but it just DOESN’T make sense.

I think the killer might be...Marquis Salami.
The perpetrator must not be that active in high society, since it took Clea appearing a MINIMUM of 3 times at social gatherings for the killer to know that she is not dead. Plus: Clea marrying the Duke would’ve been HUGE NEWS. Huge news that everyone would be talking about: yet the killer STILL didn’t know that Clea was alive? Well...
Marquis Salami is described as a mysterious character who rarely appears in high society, and keeps to himself. It would make sense for him not to know about Clea being alive, since he is pretty inactive when it comes to social circles.
Not only that, but he SUDDENLY invites Clea over using an invitation. Judging by the reaction of the maid, this isn’t common. Why would he send an invitation to...Clea? She’s really unpopular, described as a demon. The big problem here is: people don’t mask their hatred for Clea, going as far as to send hate mail.
If Clea DID know Marquis Salami on good terms, but can’t remember, people would have pretended to be nice to her, since Marquis Salami is very popular despite not showing up often. If Clea WAS friends with that Marquis Salami, a lot of people would want to get on her good side. They’d want to get close to Marquis Salami.
The spontaneous invite just doesn’t make sense.

But of course, you’re wondering: “But what about the line? ‘How is she not dead yet?’”
Of course, Marquis Salami was NOT at that banquet, otherwise there would’ve been a HUGE scene. A far-fetched claim is that it WAS Marquis Salami, he may disguised himself, as mentioned, he DOES need to do that due to how good-looking he is, and magic does exist, so there could be some form of illusion magic that can disguise his face.
But, a more believable claim is that it was a subordinate of Marquis Salami, or someone conspiring with him to kill Clea. Marquis Salami might send someone to social gatherings to keep him in touch with everything. So he doesn’t fall behind.

Clea was a Countess (during the murder) and was murdered in her own home, so, it makes sense. Marquis Salami definitely would have enough status and money to be able to cover-up a murder.

So, that’s my theory, Marquis Salami is the killer, the slave is a red herring, and is purposefully trying the throw us off.

    Nadine937 May 25, 2021 8:57 am

    Woah when i read your comment it was intense . But i agree to you

    Wise Loli May 25, 2021 9:31 am

    Detective Marumaru

    WAP.exe. May 25, 2021 11:55 am

    Damn ok future detective but......who’s Marquis Salami again...?

    Call Meh Daddy May 25, 2021 11:57 am

    That slave might be Salami. What if hes disguising as a slave? Also as u said Salami might send his people to gatherings in his stead. Then it's possible that his people still don't know abt fL and said "how is she not dead yet". ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Lady tikki May 25, 2021 12:47 pm

    Yo do you take criminology or somthin ???? Being a detective must be your fate

    SunaYuuki May 25, 2021 6:54 pm

    You a person people cannot lie to...the evidence DAMN- Σ(  ̄□ ̄||)

    E.V MANGA GRL May 26, 2021 5:54 am

    uhh my ghad .... this.... i admire a lot
    pls be my friend!!!!
    detective sama~

    MaruMaru May 27, 2021 12:12 pm

    have I accidentally accumulated some sort of fanbase or smth?

    E.V MANGA GRL May 27, 2021 3:35 pm
    have I accidentally accumulated some sort of fanbase or smth? MaruMaru

    yes u sure did!!! haha

MaruMaru May 9, 2021 8:03 am

Can some novel readers tell me where this is up to on the novel pretty please

MaruMaru May 3, 2021 2:21 pm

I keep seeing comments saying, “Oh but I want the MC to be strong and murder everyone!” and “Why doesn’t she just kill them all? Why isn’t she cunning? She has a God!” and “Oh! Is she gonna forgive them or something??? But that would be annoying!”

Now, it’s actually really good to have a character that doesn’t simply brush off years of trauma and abuse. Now, I’m not gonna pretend I know everything, because I don’t.
What’s IMPORTANT to note is that: MOST ABUSE VICTIMS HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THEIR ABUSER.
A lot of abuse victims actually DON’T WANT TO DO ANYTHING BAD TO THEIR ABUSER, some may actually rather see their abusers get BETTER.
This is because abusers will use lots of manipulative tactics, and the victim being in vulnerable and emotional state they are in...it’s gonna work.
It’s also VERY IMPORTANT to remember: OUR FL HAS NEVER LEARNT OF THE CONCEPT OF “WANTING” SOMETHING.

Her father never gave her jackshit, she wasn’t ALLOWED to want anything, so she never did, the only thing she wanted was their love, but she chose to let that go. If some guy just goes “Ayo I can give you anything you want.”, when FL still hasn’t really figured out what she wants, she’s gonna be confused and anyone would be, because “anything” is too vague and there’s so many options to choose from.

“Oh! Make her become Empress and take over the Empire!!”
She was literally neglected and abused all her life, you think she got an EDUCATION??? She was abused, but she was nobility, which means her education would have to be provided by tutors which would be provided by her shitty father, and do you really think that jackass would do that? Sorry, but our FL may barely be able to read, let alone run an ENTIRE FUCKING EMPIRE. She would probably be a shit Empress, just saying.

She’s already doing so well for someone that was abused for that long. I’m proud of her.

    Chrystears May 3, 2021 2:36 pm

    I'm agree with you !

    jackie ღ May 3, 2021 2:39 pm

    yes i completely agree!!!!!!

    octotooth May 3, 2021 2:41 pm

    yeah

    INeedBleachForMyEyes May 3, 2021 3:30 pm

    Definitely, something so serious and ingrained to you is something that cannot be undone overnight like magic. Yeah she got God on her side or whatever but the thing done to her is something that wouldn't be ever truly healed and be gone without a trace. The author is just taking in the MCs standpoint in a more realistic way.

    The remains of abuse doesn't go away no matter what you fucking do, it leaves a fucking scar one way or another.

    She needs to be healthy first (mentally, physically and emotionally) before she can do all the shit that some of you had been talking about.

    I know that it's fictional but please, some of you try to be more logical and sensitive, the MC needs healing first before she could go on with whatever she decides on doing, on what she truly wants.

    Sorry for ranting, I just got carried away with the topic at hand.

MaruMaru April 10, 2021 2:34 pm

First, why did I click on this? I'll be honest, I didn't read the title, the art just looked super cute and that was enough to sell me, but then I read the title...and then I read the synopsis...and then I read the comments. And then I saw the author's other works.
That's where I went,
"Howdy hoes! This is gonna be a fucking joy ride."

Before we really mention anything, I'm a gay man. And no, I don't demonise BL, I'm here right now and I've read a lot of BL and enjoyed it. Go Jin and Gam-rae being my favourite (which if you haven't read, what the fuck are you doing go read it at 3am and cry your eyeballs out please).
Now, when I say the author's other works, I'm referring to Virus and Snow White BL.
And, well, if someone asked me if I found those 2 problematic, then not really? Virus was a bit icky to me, but honestly the concept of Snow White BL and Virus was so outrageous and cringy to me, I read it and I got some decent laughs out of it. Sorry, like..the 7 dwarves being prostitutes in Snow White BL and the Evil King having sex with the Mirror I- IT WAS SO FUCKING FUNNY OKAY- but that's besides the point.
So, I thought, maybe I could get some decent laughs out of this shit pile like the other 2, which it did, laughs of pure shock. When you see something and go "THERE'S NO WAY a TEAM APPROVED OF THIS."
I swear to the heavens above this was inspired by a gacha story, I KNOW YOU WERE ALL THINKING IT, THERE WAS A "Straight in a Gay School" TREND FOR A GOOD WHILE.

Now onto the reason why I think this is very problematic, which I will explain by getting you to imagine a scenario:

Imagine, a story is published about a lesbian woman. The population is falling, so she NEEDS to be straight. THERE ARE TOO MANY GAY WOMEN!! We MUST make a "straight school" where we send lesbian women to turn them straight. Our protagonist, the lesbian, then goes to the mandatory straight school where she is roomed with a boy, the TOP STRAIGHT IN SCHOOL, he goes "I'll make you beg for my dick baby", and by the end of the story....it works. The lesbian is no longer a lesbian! She is straight and loves the male lead.
Imagine a similar story, but instead of a lesbian woman it's a gay man. He is SCIENTIFICALLY analysed and put with a woman who has the highest chances of turning him straight and it works. The gay man is no more, he is now straight and LOVES the female lead (and her tits).
Now is this story problematic??? Of course it is!! Gay people can't change their sexuality!! This story is basically promoting conversion therapy! This is basically torture!

See how bad those 2 stories above are? I know horrible, good thing nobody is creating something like tha- hey if I replace gay man with straight man and straight girl with gay man...huh why is this sounding familiar??? Oh right. It's this story.

If gay people, like myself, can't change their sexuality...what makes you think straight people can? It works both ways, gay people can't change their sexuality, and neither can straight people. This story also depicts gay men as being sex-starved, where in multiple scenes when someone in the school just MAKES EYE CONTACT, with another man, oh they wanna fuck so badddddd, they both get instantly horny. Like no, do you wanna fuck every boy you see, girls? Wait you don't wanna fuck that guy friend you have because he's just a friend???
It's the same for us. I don't wanna fuck the male cashier working at Woolies while I buy my hot cheetos, I just want my hot cheetos.

TL;DR
You can't change your sexuality, whether it's gay to straight or straight to gay. If you replaced the main character with a gay man and the male lead with a straight woman, all of the sudden, it's MUCH more problematic all of the sudden. Maybe this hints that...something is a bit iffy about the story?

Well, am I still gonna continue reading this even after describing how much of a shit show it is? Yes. Yes I am.
I wanna see if this flaming pile of garbage can burn blue flames. I wanna see how utterly fucking horrible it gets. Cursed shit is my thing.
Boku no Pico, Shoujo Ramune, Doravmon, Snow White BL(all raws too)...I've read and watched it all. I like the pain.
I keep thinking that there's no way this shit show can get worse, but it surprises me with every turn. I want to see the height of that. I want to see something new, a challenge: How utterly fucked up and insensitive can this story really get? And will it reach my breaking point where I get the hell out of here and I can't continue anymore?
We will wait and find out.

    Archy12 April 11, 2021 4:47 pm

    Wow u could actually read snow white bl?
    I couldn't continue after 4 episodes Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
    It was too much for me
    Every turn i was like: Σ(っ°Д °;)っ#-.-) ( ̄ε(# ̄)Σ ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍( ̄∇ ̄")(⌒▽⌒)Σ(  ̄□ ̄||)(╯°Д °)╯╧╧ I am out

    BABIES IN BLMANGAS ARE SO CUTR April 12, 2021 12:35 am

    I have only read a few panels of the story so I really don't know what happened, but what I know is that people can change, they can change their sexuality just fine. Now I may be no one to talk giving the fact that I never seen it with my own eyes. But someone can have a change of heart, that's how it works right? Someone may be attracted women at first but will be attracted to men as times goes by or even both. Anyone can change their sexuality any time they like. No can be born straight just like no one can be born gay. It's just how their way of romantic feelings develop. You know it's just your taste changes. U can like say mangos are the best fruit ever but then ten year later and you only eat watermelon. See just like that your taste changed.now I'm writing this at 2:34 am so expect grammar and spelling mistakes

    Archy12 April 12, 2021 2:01 am

    Σ(  ̄□ ̄||)
    What you saying??

    MaruMaru April 12, 2021 3:52 am
    I have only read a few panels of the story so I really don't know what happened, but what I know is that people can change, they can change their sexuality just fine. Now I may be no one to talk giving the fact... BABIES IN BLMANGAS ARE SO CUTR

    People....can't change their sexuality, because it's not a preference like liking something, such as mangoes. Although there is Abrosexuality, where someone's sexuality IS fluid and it DOES change, not everyone is abrosexual.

    Fun fact: I, A GAY MAN, DID TRY TO LIKE WOMEN AT ONE POINT.

    I thought I was gynosexual, since I liked feminine men more than masculine ones, I thought that I may have been attracted to femininity as a whole. So, I experimented. I liked soft boys and such, so I tried to see if I would like soft girls, and I tried for a good few months, I legitimately TRIED TO LIKE WOMEN SEXUALLY, BUT I COULDN'T, it just didn't click, I could never see women the same way I did with boys, and I realised that I actually did like masculine presenting men as well as femboys. Thus finding out I was actually gay, and the reason I liked femboys so much was because of gender envy. I realised that I wasn't only just ATTRACTED TO femboys, but I wanted to BE ONE.

    Sexuality can be fluid, yes, but it's normally something someone is born with and cannot be changed, I know from experience. However this story is portraying that sexuality is a choice that can be forced upon someone, which just isn't true

    BABIES IN BLMANGAS ARE SO CUTR April 12, 2021 9:15 am
    People....can't change their sexuality, because it's not a preference like liking something, such as mangoes. Although there is Abrosexuality, where someone's sexuality IS fluid and it DOES change, not everyone... MaruMaru

    Ofcourse it's a rare case to change your sexuality but I was just saying it's not impossible. And don't get me wrong I'm not saying that you should change your sexuality by force you can like whoever you want, don't change your sexuality for other people, what I wanted to say is that sexuality can be changed if your tastes changes, not by force

    Gravenshi April 12, 2021 12:22 pm
    Ofcourse it's a rare case to change your sexuality but I was just saying it's not impossible. And don't get me wrong I'm not saying that you should change your sexuality by force you can like whoever you want, ... BABIES IN BLMANGAS ARE SO CUTR

    Well, you have your answer now. The issue with this story is they are using "FORCE" by mandatory enrollment to people to attend this kind of school.

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