Kurarisa's Topics (64)

Yeah it doesn't. I have fallen in love with the cake.

how the fuck can u like him.
i read this whole fucking thing to see why everyone says it's so good and "revolutionary" and all i saw was shit.
koogi is a shitty writer and ks is shitty and i wish sangwoo would fucking choke and die.
alas, that's not what's going to happen because koogi is obviously going to end this mess with sangwoo and bum becoming "murder boyfriends uwu"
it's fucking ridiculous
and to think people actually see ks as "good representation" for nd gay men is disgusting
that's not gay. that's hideous. and if you were as gay as i am you'd know that.

If you don't like it that's fine but there's no need to disrespect the author?

lmao
yeah i'm gonna disrespect a shitty homophobic author who disrespected me as a gay nd man.

Hmm. It all varys on the persons taste tbh. I myself like twisted stories and this is by far the most interesting one Ive read. Yeah sangwoo is a peace of shit if you look at it an one side but some people (like me) love him. Personally i dont think this is a good representation of gay men but we gotta accept the fact that be it gay or straight people, relationships like this really exist (not to the extent of killing people) take bonnie and clydr for example.

Ahhhh!! Me tooo! Tell me if you found something that is somewhat similar as this manhwa okay???

i like "twisted" stories myself. horror is my favorite genre.
but this story is not interesting. it's unoriginal and predictable. from the first chapter i've been able to guess what will happen next. and it's all bullshit.
WE SHOULDN'T ACCEPT RELATIONSHIPS LIKE THIS. EVEN WITHOUT THE MURDER.
sangwoo and bum's relationship is an example of ABUSE which should not be normalized or accepted. this is not a good relationship and NO ONE should have it. it shouldn't exist.
ks just fetishizes this abuse and makes it something people want (a great example is how you are in love with sangwoo, A SEXIST HOMOPHOBIC SERIAL MURDERER AND RAPIST)

i love horror. i hate killing stalking (which isn't even horror. it's just poorly written gay porn by and for women with some shitty gore here and there to seem "edgy" and "cool")
in good horror, you're left disgusted and terrified by the villain. you're supposed to HATE the villain in horror movies.
maybe you can appreciate them as a well written character, but you're STILL supposed to hate them in the story.
that doesn't happen with ks. why? because of how koogi writes it, sexualizing sangwoo and bum's relationship and making sangwoo a "dark misunderstood prince" (and the fangirls woobify this ALREADY WOOBIFIED CHARACTER cause "he's just so hot right :3c i just wish sangwoo would kidnap ME! lol xD")
koogi is doing a shitty job and yall eat this shit right up just cause it has those "sexy sinful gay guys"
don't tell me i can't appreciate the genre just cause you wouldn't know good horror if it punched you in the face

Man(or not man?) I totally agree with you, i think the story could have been good but it has been too much, like i don't know if there's limits to how a story can be twisted and i don't even know if the author is planning to make it worse than it already is
But look, i've been noticing that recently good yaoi with really good plot are rare, i can even say there have no intereting new manga that has kept my attention it was always the same boring cliché...plus all my favorites manga have really slow updates so i'm srsly bored right now...it's my opinion but i guess a lot of fellow fujoshi might acually feel the same too, searching for smthing that is definitly difderent. So a lot are running here, knowing that Sangwoo is also the first serial killer psycho character in the yaoi genre, so it's perfectly normal if he has a great impact.
Even so, i still can't just accept it, This manwa has really bad influences in our mind, to the point that now you're fangirling over a f*cking killer narcisist rapist? Are you serious? Like, this guy might actually be raping little kids, you will still "be fond of him?" (Sorry this second part is for the sangwoo Fangirls)
Really. You can appreciate a good horror twisted story, if you say this story is good but don't take it too far, this is no joke anymore.

Okay...? It's good that you know good horror, I get it. Good person. You deserve so much praise clap clap

No one's accepting it irl lmao. People enjoy this because it's a weebtoon, a fiction, seperated from reality. It isn't normalized nor is it accepted irl. I have to repeat this, it's a webtoon.if kS can make influence someone to fetish over abuse irl, then they shouldn't be here bc they're probably like 12. An adult, at least those right in their minds can separate fiction and reality, geez how many times have people like you argued about and still fail to understand that this is a god damn weebtoon and most of us here know what's right or wrong. We adore the character's design, not his personality or mindset you dumbfuck. Saying that we're in love romantically with Sangwoo is like falling in love with a fictional character for real and actually wanting to have a real relationship with it. If you can't handle this, either stop reading this or go see a counsellor and ask 'how to separate the internet and reality', also check your sanity in case KS influenced you to actually develop Sangwoo's mindset you goddamn person who can't understand something as simple as this.

Webtoon* and those mistakes i made omfg i couldnt remember what i was typing but you probably at least understand the context.

i hate ks fangirls, i hate ks itself and i hate koogi.
and yeah i took it personal. as a gay man, i always take is personal when someone is fetishizing other gay men and their abuse. as a nd person, i always take it personal when someone is misrepresenting mental illnesses and turning them into scary things that make people bad.
gore isn't the problem with me. my problem is that koogi can't do it and the gore in ks ends up just being bland and shitty.
and for your examples:
1) haven't watched it yet
2) it was predictable and uninteresting
3) the first ring movie is charmingly eerie, but not that special. also, i don't remember it having that many jumpscares (which i find good, because jumpscares are just a cheap way to cause fear and relying on them means the movie isn't really scary)
4) so boring i almost slept through it and didn't scare me at all.

I haven't seen posts of people saying that KS is a "good representation" for gay men. You're misaking it with Yuri on Ice, because there's a shit tons of posts about that. If you're gay, good for you. You don't like this webtoon, fine. But go post your hate and discrimination somewhere else. Or just don't post ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Other people have enough brain cells to not take it personal. This is fiction. It's your responsibility whether you let it influence you in a good way or in a bad way, if you're so adamant to let it affect you personally. I'mma give you the benefit of the doubt that you are smart.

Plus, as far as the story goes, there was no canonical mention of any mental illness. Except BPD, which Koogi had later on confirmed that the character does not have BPD.

Oh here we have one of the many triggered ones out there that takes things personally. No one said anything about this representing gay rs, it's either just you who thinks that way, or you're in the wrong manga man. You know good horror movies that are original and unpredictable? Good for you! You deserve an award, grown man. Most horror movies are predictable. Interesting, maybe, but predictable. If you can't predict it, you eirher haven't watched much of it or you're just plain clueless.

One of the many reasons the world is full of ahit is people like you who gets triggered by literally everyrhing. Someone can literally be only breathing and you will somehow get offended by it and make a big thing out of it.

That's because there's a line seperating fantasy from reality. People can enjoy fiction and not support or agree with what the character is, does or believes in in the story.

i'm a man lmao.
(and also from here on my reply gets pretty aggressive. just a warning)
in my opinion, the story was bad from the start. the premise of a stalker getting caught and kidnapped by their victim was interesting, but fucking terribly executed.
the limit to any story is real life, meaning it should NEVER affect real people negatively (and i don't mean in a "this is so sad it made me cry" way. i mean it in a "this perpetrates and normalizes abuse and prejudice" way).
and take my word for it, it's just going to get worse. koogi seems to be making the story up as she goes, so there are already many plot holes that will just multiply. in the end what will happen is a lot of gross sex, some more murders and sangwoo and bum will become "murder boyfriends uwu"
recently? are you sure? because, for me, yaoi has always been a shitfest with some good things here and there. there is an issue inherent to yaoi which is the fetishization of gay men by straight (and other male attracted) women. there are very few yaoi by actual gay men and they end up not getting recognized (or even published!) because their stories are "not sexy or interesting enough" (aka realistic representations of gay men that don't really please women because they are aimed to, shocker, gay men)
also, sorry to burst your bubble, but fujoshis are gross and even the term is wildly homophobic ("rotten girl" because you like manga involving gay men, implying gay men are disgusting and no one should like them)
also, ks is not the first in anything. everything in it has already been done a million times before.
why don't you try good stories that don't involve, i don't know, the homophobic fetishization of gay men (and gay men being abused)? just a thought.
that's what i've been saying from the start. there's a reason why so many people like sangwoo and it's that KOOGI WRITES HIM AS LIKEABLE.
(idk what you meant by that last paragraph so i'm guessing that's the part for sangwoo fangirls lol)

lmao no
fiction affects reality. that's why you like certain characters, dislike others, get sad or scared or happy because of a story.
your brain reacts to fiction the same way it would to reality.
if you refuse to acknowledge the impact fiction has on the real lives of real people, you're a shitty ignorant person

i only mentioned it because the other person had implied the reason i don't like ks is that i don't like good horror

Lmao so you should be responsible enough to let fiction influence you/make an impact on you positively. Like what I said in a comment above lmao

horror, as i said, treats rape, murder and abuse as BAD THINGS. that's the whole premise of horror.
stories that treat those same subjects lightly are my problem. stories like killing stalking! wow, what a surprise.
i can make that prediction based on what koogi has said and done so far, which includes TAGGING KS AS BL!!!!! which means the point of ks is sangwoo and bum's "romantic" relationship.
that's why i hate fangirl culture? and also koogi wrote ks in a way that is supposed to be read and liked the way yall are doing, so she MEANT FOR YALL TO BE LIKE THIS
it's not some "out of control edgy fangirls". it's the whole fucking fandom.
and that's koogi's fault for being a gross piece of shit

god i wish i had that willful ignorance yall have

i'm gay and yuri on ice is homophobic

anyone who doesn't take it personal is
1) not affected by it
2) afraid to speak up
3) not aware of how much shit like this affects them

also: lmao @ all you said

Ok. You're gay, fine. But you're also hateful and I'd bet even people breathing, to you, is homophobic.

a manhwa. about a gay man. tagged as bl.
you see where i'm going?
this is SUPPOSED to represent gay men, but of course it doesn't. that wouldn't be interesting enough, right?
"grown man" i'm a teenager lmao

Lmao it's like you didn't even try to comprehend what was written in the comment lmao

i love how you want to dismiss the fact that me being gay means i'm affected by homophobia and, therefore, i'm the one who says what is or isn't homophobic.
and also i love how you think ks and yoi are so good they couldn't possibly be homophobic and i'm just a big meanie

Lmao it's like you didn't even try to comprehend what was written in the comment lmao

" ks and yoi are so good they couldn't possibly be homophobic" lol your words, not mine. I wonder when have I even implied that. I'm more affected by your hateful slurs and attacks. You see ks and yoi as homophobic, you're entitled to your opinions. But quit playing victim.

*grabs popcorn*

Want a soda?

Tonight's show features an angry, hateful gay teen and the "homophobic fangirls"

ok guys next chapter is coming soon

i literally said "you think ks and yoi are so good they couldn't possibly be homophobic". key part (you conviniently left out) being "YOU think"
and you implied that by saying that if i thought ks and yoi are homophobic, i must think everything is. meaning these things aren't, in your opinion, homophobic.
also, point out where have i used "hateful slurs" lmao
and i'm not playing victim. i AM a victim.
how ignorant can you be lmao

What is KS? KS is a fiction. What is fiction? Anything but reality.

to yall who think fiction doesn't affect reality:

http://web.archive.org/web/20160923130242/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-mind-stage/201211/do-fictional-characters-affect-our-real-life

http://web.archive.org/web/20170107191109/ https://www.fastcompany.com/1842370/how-fiction-impacts-fact-social-impact-books

http://web.archive.org/web/20170124205205/ https://psmag.com/reading-fiction-impacts-aggressive-behavior-6142063dc241?gi=10982cc732df

http://web.archive.org/web/20170107232144/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2012/04/28/why-fiction-good-for-you-how-fiction-changes-your-world/nubDy1P3viDj2PuwGwb3KO/story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/opinion/sunday/the-neuroscience-of-your-brain-on-fiction.html?_r=0

also google is free and yall are willfully ignorant as hell

to yall who think fiction doesn't affect reality:

http://web.archive.org/web/20170107191109/ https://www.fastcompany.com/1842370/how-fiction-impacts-fact-social-impact-books

also google is free and yall are willfully ignorant as hell

I got the homophobic idea since you went on and on that BL is homophobic and therefore, in association, the fans/fangirls are homophobic. (i.e. "homophobic fujoshis") It was sarcasm but ya, sure whatever you believe. I can assure you I'm not ignorant, I might not be angry or gay, but I'm not ignorant.

Hateful slurs: (you can read your replies but since you asked imma paste in a few)
-i read this whole fucking thing to see why everyone says it's so good and "revolutionary" and all i saw was shit.
-i hate fangirls
-i hate koogi
-i hate ks

That's just from the first few comments and I won't waste my time doing work for you

i mean i AM an angry, hateful gay teen, but why was that not between quotation marks like the homophobic fangirls? since they ARE homophobic fangirls? hmm

just so you know that article was only about physical aspects, which proves my point but not entirely so

http://web.archive.org/web/20170124205205/ https://psmag.com/reading-fiction-impacts-aggressive-behavior-6142063dc241?gi=10982cc732df

Ey ya'll we're going in circles with this kid

Read the previous replies please

"People can enjoy fiction and not support or agree with what the character is, does or believes in in the story."

Be smart enough and responsible enough to not let it affect you negatively

LMAO NONE OF THESE ARE HATEFUL SLURS
shit and fuck are regular slurs and weren't directed at you? and hate isn't even a slur lmao what are you 8?

did you even read the article lmao

"Fiction is the form of any work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not real, but rather, imaginary and theoretical—that is, invented by the author. Although the term fiction refers in particular to novels and short stories, it may also refer to the theatre, including opera and ballet, film, television, poetry and song. Fiction contrasts with non-fiction, which deals exclusively with factual (or, at least, assumed factual) events, descriptions, observations, etc."

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I didn't say that fiction doesn't affect the critical thinking of an individual. Fiction has no association with reality, and it doesn't represent a real life unless stated by the author.

Fiction affects reality? Does fiction has that huge influence in your life that it become a part of your decision making? Boy, you have to sort out your priority. Individual who says that fictional material influenced them are just making an excuse.

What you decide to do are what you want to. No one is forced to murder anyone unless they're threaten to do unwillingly.

You're very much entitled to your opinion but you seem to be a bit too dramatic.

It's too soon to say how the manhwa will end. Koogi might be luring the audience into a false sense of security just to flip the plot on its head later on.

What? There can't exist any gay criminal? Can't they be messed up too? Are all gay people good just because they're gay? Whether or not Sangwoo and Yoonbum are good representations of people (regardless of their sexuality) is subjective but you're missing the point of the whole story if you just want them to be happy bunnies holding hands.

This manhwa seems to be about exploring how the events we experience can make us into the people we are. You see this especially with Bum who became a stalker because he never experienced love and acceptance from his peers and family. Yoonbum has stalked both women and men so maybe he isn't even gay or bi but just desperate for the attention of whomever would give it to him.

Sangwoo is a sociopath because his dad was shit who treated him and his mom like shit. There's probably more to his story but I'm willing to bet Sangwoo became the predator after being prey for too long and fell in love with the power. Sociopaths are usually opportunistic and maybe that ties into his sexuality. The situation would have probably gone the same had Bum been a woman instead.

Sangwoo likes to control people and Bum is there to be controlled. That is all.

it does have an association with reality since fiction doesn't exist outside of reality?? and it does represent real life. not accurately and completely, since it's fiction (aka made up), but it still represents issues and situations we face in real life. also, the people who consume fictional works are REAL PEOPLE who DIRECTLY AFFECT REALITY.

two cases of fiction affecting reality for you:
1) jaws (unwillingly) made people fear and hate great whites, which lead to a mass murder of sharks after the release of the movie.
2) (from the article) "Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beacher Stowe is given credit for transforming American views about slavery"

nah. koogi isn't a good enough author (or person) to turn the story around like that.
that's not the point. of course gay people can be gay AND bad. but we live in a world where being gay IS being bad. so why perpetrate that (without ever questioning it)?
i don't want them to hold hands. i don't want them to even exist.
don't pathologize bad people. that harms ACTUAL ND PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE.
also all the "reasons" koogi gives for all of their actions are predictable and cliché and boring.

also:
"Sangwoo likes to control people and Bum is there to be controlled. That is all."
i REALLY hope you didn't mean this in a "that's just how their relationship is. kinda strange and kinky, but you gotta accept it" way

Do you need to remind me how stupid people can be in reality?

A fiction doesn't represent reality. It is an imaginary reality that does not have any relation to real life. That is fiction. That is what people should have been aware of when reading a fiction and they are not supposedly to believe it.

Some people enjoy fiction. They try imagine themselves living in a fantasy and experience something they never could in real life. It was rather an amusing ride. However, for some reason some of them believe it. You don't believe other things that are obviously a fiction.

You can believe that dragon exists but you don't go around yelling that dragon should be killed because they're dangerous. Same goes to Jaws, people were so consumed by their fear and went for killing spree because they're selfish. They were so afraid of their own safety and only believe what they want to believe. They tried to justify their action because of fiction when the truth is that people are self-centered and won't bother to check the fact.

So you are saying that fiction affects reality. Like I said before, it does affect an individual's critical thinking. It gives you ability to think out of box and give an awareness like your second example.

However, it doesn't affect reality. The film didn't end the slavery, it just gives you a space to see a different perspective and make your own judgement. That fiction is trying to give a context of awareness which won't affect the reality but how you perceive the reality.

When you said fiction affect reality, it doesn't make sense because people's action is what make a reality.

"When you said fiction affect reality, it doesn't make sense because people's action is what make a reality."

it does make sense because fiction affects people whose actions affect reality. therefore, fiction affects reality.
it's not a hard concept to grasp lol

What I want to say is that what we read does not impact our actions, insofar as a direct cause and not a correlation. The actual studies on this are vague at best, biased at worst, and debated in most psychology classes...so far people are unanimous: fiction does not affect or impact reality.

A good book? It can make you think. It can make you reassess your behaviour. It can horrify you. It can arouse you. It can spark a lifetime of research. These are all emotion based on the book has engaged you on a mental level, making you think about your behaviour and personality, and - well - maybe this is what scares you, not ‘copying’ the behaviour.

If y'all so triggered by fiction then stop abusing your mental. For example, it's not like when I read fiction like Romeo and Juliet that might make me on the verge of tears, and when I read a newspapers, documentaries, and letters from loved ones that could evoke the same emotions will make me go out and commit a double-suicide because I read the play. Damn it you guys. Fiction no reality.

No, it's bigotry. Judging by your responses throughout this thread, you're a bigot.

I really don't know where your dislike of Koogi comes from but I don't feel the same. I'm not defending or attacking the author but just willing to read every chapter and see where this goes.

I know plenty of gay people who don't think they are bad or doing anything wrong so they would beg to differ.

Why can't art be free? A small majority might read or see something fictional and draw opinions of real life based on those things to the majority has to be censored and restrained to cuddle the few?

Personally I do agree that negative portrayals of marginalized groups can further marginalize said group and encourage animosity but I disagree with censoring (whether self imposed or forced through law). At the end of the day, the only mind you can change is your own and controlling what people want to read and watch isn't going to help your cause. You're free to absolutely despise this manhwa but understand others are free to love it. We live in a capitalistic society so if there's a demand for it and people are willing to pay and create, it's going to exist.

Have you ever seen the Lifetime channel? They have stories with a similar plots to this on almost every week. And there are even channels that show murder stories all day long yet still the American population seems to be fine. I think it takes more than just one manhwa to hurt someone. Same with the pathologizing. Explain how exactly it hurts people in real life. Like it or not, sometimes our behaviours are predictable and even strangers can guess our next moves if they know enough about us. To me, it doesn't diminish our uniqueness. These explanations might be cliched but they actually do happen to people every day and those events go on to shape those individuals; a woman might end up fearing men because she was raped, a child may grow up to abuse their children because they were abused, etc.

As for my last statement, I was stating it more matter of factly with no strings attached. I actually don't like either Sangwoo or Bum. They are both terrible people who do terrible things and both deserve to go to jail. I don't want them to end up together and I hope the story won't end with them together. I just think that given what they've both been through their behaviour is understandable. I see all of Sangwoo's actions as manipulative for his own entertainment and Sangwoo will kill Bum when he's had his fun. And I see Bum as desperate and lonely without much understanding and regards to boundaries which is why he can't see that he is in danger.

i never said people would copy the behavior though?
what i said is that ks perpetuates the stigmas and stereotypes around gay and mentally ill people. and the more that they are spread and reinforced, the more they will become (even more) normalized.
this is an issue because gay and nd people are already marginalized and this type of narrative has and continues to affect us in our daily lives.
the problem with ks is not that people will read it and murder someone. it is that people will look at me, a gay nd man, and see me as dangerous, abnormal, disgusting, incapable of loving, wrong, sinful.
FICTION AFFECTS REALITY

We, or at least I, don't see gay people as dangerous, abnormal, abnormal etc. after I read KS. And I'm quite fond of this webtoon. It didn't change my views about homosexuals, the mentally ill or even murderers. I'm sure majority would agree and are the same. You give us too little credit.

Spouting bigotry wouldn't also change our views. I'm sorry if a fan of KS have viewed you as abnormal, disgusting etc., but not everyone shares the same sentiments.

my dislike for koogi comes from her being an irresponsible homophobic ableist piece of trash
that's not what i said??? as i've said many times before I AM GAY so why would i say gay is bad????? what i said was that SOCIETY VIEWS GAY PEOPLE AS BAD, not "gay people view themselves as bad"???? what the fuck lmao
no it can't. and that's not a bad thing.
i'm not saying "you're not allowed to write sad stories" or "you're not allowed to draw apples". i'm saying "you're not allowed to write fucking prejudiced stories"
that shouldn't be hard?? it should be fucking common sense tbh lmao
also what you said doesn't make sense at all. OF COURSE PREJUDICED MEDIA AFFECTS PEOPLE AND HOW THEY VIEW MARGINALIZED GROUPS!!!! there's a reason why mein kampf was fucking censored
i'm not american so, no, i've never heard of the lifetime channel and from what you've said it seems pretty shit lmao
and i'm not saying it affects THE AMERICAN POPULATION???
i'm saying it affects gay people, who are definitely not fine (btw your vp mike pence is a homophobe who supports conversion therapy)
pathologizing affects mentally ill people, because you're usually categorizing bad behavior as something caused by mental illnesses. this causes nd people to be stigmatized and considered "dangerous".
i know. i just mentioned the explanations being cliché cause people keep saying ks is so fucking original and unpredictable when it isn't at all?
also i don't agree with your views on the characters but i don't think it's relevant to discuss that. i'm just glad you weren't implying they were good for each other.

yeah i'm a bigot against fucking homophobes because i'm a big mean gay boo fucking hoo

"h*mosexual" is a slur. use "gay people"
but also, i'm not talking about you specifically. i'm saying it can make people feel that way BECAUSE HOMOPHOBIA AND ABLEISM ARE ALREADY ASPECTS OF OUR SOCIETY THAT HURT GAY AND ND PEOPLE AND PUT THEM IN DANGER
this is not a matter of me being hurt and wanting to take it out on you. it's a matter of me being from a marginalized group and ks (and its fandom) perpetuating our oppression.
sorry karen but if you like ks you like a homophobic manhwa and that makes you a fucking homophobe

And you wonder why people fucking hate gays. If I'm gonna hate gays, it's not because of KS, it's because some random triggered gay teenager goes around attacking people. Fucking disgusting, you are. You're not even trying to be civil, are all gays like that?

oh yeah. me, a harmless gay teenager, being vocal about my anger towards a homophobic manhwa is THE REASON gay people all over the world are BEAT UP, THROWN OUT OF THEIR HOMES, ABUSED, RAPED, STALKED, KIDNAPPED, PUT IN FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND MURDERED.
you are a demon. YOU are the reason why I'M angry. YOU are the reason why I'M BEAT UP, THROWN OUT OF MY HOME, ABUSED, RAPED, STALKED, KIDNAPPED, PUT IN FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND MURDERED.
also "gays" is dehumanizing. say "gay people" it's not that fucking hard you disgusting homophobe

LOL GOOD. If it lessens your population, GOOD.

The fuck you go all around spouting shit here. Get a therapist you fucking homosexual.

This is where you lost me. People tell me I'm going to hell for my orientation and keep my sexuality a secret from my mother. I get shit for those kinds of things. This manhwa might be homophobic, but I'd hardly say it is the reason the LGBTQ community is treated like shit. The reason is conservative bullshit and people who complain about how we're "not natural" or are predators.

Way to prove you're homophobic.

i can't believe you are being serious.
you are probably a troll and if you aren't i hope you choke you fucking homophobe
also "h*mosexual" is a slur just fucking use "gay people"

tbh

Just because you think it's slur doesn't mean everyone does. In fact, the majority of the community disagrees with you.

I'm homophobic now because of the dipshit there ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

I meant to use the fucking slur, since you keep on attacking people.

If you think he's an ass, call him an ass. Don't start insulting his sexual orientation.

Offensive: "homosexual" (n. or adj.)
Preferred: "gay" (adj.); "gay man" or "lesbian" (n.); "gay person/people"
Please use gay or lesbian to describe people attracted to members of the same sex. Because of the clinical history of the word "homosexual," it is aggressively used by anti-gay extremists to suggest that gay people are somehow diseased or psychologically/emotionally disordered – notions discredited by the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association in the 1970s. Please avoid using "homosexual" except in direct quotes. Please also avoid using "homosexual" as a style variation simply to avoid repeated use of the word "gay." The Associated Press, The New York Times and The Washington Post restrict use of the term "homosexual"

source: https://www.glaad.org/reference/offensive

Spur of the moment, I apologize. He's doing a pretty good job pissing me off, sorry. But the way he's going, he's not gonna garner sympathy from anyone. Gonna fucking cool myself off before I myself bigger "villain".

you call me a fucking hateful slur cause i said your stupid comic is poorly written and homophobic. you call me a fucking hateful slur and implied i go through conversion therapy cause i said you liking this stupid comic makes you a homophobe. wow karen

And there are plenty people who disagree with you on that. What is and isn't a slur is a constant debate that the world will never come to an agreement upon. This is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone in the community refer to it as a slur, so there are clearly many who disagree. Nevertheless, I'll keep that in mind for future reference.

are you yourself gay?

Pan, but if I were to be in a relationship I'd prefer the same sex.

ok. just wondering since you kept referring to the lgbt community as if you were part of it so i imagined you were lol
also, every gay person i know considers h*mosexual a slur? maybe it varies from place to place lol
so refrain from using it even if you being sga can reclaim it cause many people are uncomfortable with it. (i censor all hateful slurs, even the ones i can reclaim because i don't like reading or writing them myself...)

I always find it laughable when people generalize and attack all yaoi readers and authors, saying they are all homophobic. Conversations like this, while covering a different topic, echo in similarity to the christian extremists who picket my university annually to tell people they’re all sinful, bad people. You’ll have a hard time changing people’s opinions if you think fighting gay stereotypes with bigotry is the way to go about this. While stereotypes of gay relationships and mental illnesses may be represented in this webtoon, it is inappropriate to assume that all readers of KS have opinions on gay relationships or mental illness in reality that would coincide with what is presented in the webtoon. KS represents an extreme of abusive relationships and an extreme of mental illness. If someone lacks awareness of stereotypes should they be attacked for their naivete? I would say no, but they should be educated not to believe misconceptions. However, all efforts to combat misconceptions are lost if it's done with bigotry.

Obviously you are affected by reading Killing Stalking, if you weren't then you wouldn't be so upset.
Now, correct me if i am wrong, but you don't like yaoi or slash in general, right? Otherwise, you wouldn't be on a site reading manga that fetishizes homosexual relationships, written by women whose core audience are women.
Let me say that not once have I read someone say that the relationship between Bum and Sangwoo is healthy and perfect; in fact you are the only to make such comments that I know.
Also, there are plenty of people in the world that already feel that way about gay people without ever knowing, reading, or hearing about KS. But, if you really believe that KS is going to change the way people look at you a gay nd man (sorry i don't now what nd means) then what about mangas like Finder (rape and violence), Kobi No Kyoujin (rape, violence, murder), Jikan Akima Jinbutsu (murder, psychological trauma), and the list goes on and on and on and on. Do you see where I am going with this? This one comic is not going to make people see you as dangerous, abnormal, disgusting, incapable of loving, wrong, or sinful if the millions of other rape, violence, murder, etc bl comics didn't.

I read fiction to escape from reality, I hate my job, I read comics (all kinds not just yaoi, plus my american super heroes) to get over my shitty day, not once have I read once and looked at a woman and thought oh she needs a man to swoop down and save her. Not once have I looked at 2 men in line at the gas station and thought one of those guy is gonna rape the other. I read To Kill a Mocking Bird in 5th grade, guess what it didn't make me a racist. And I am not saying that this is right, but this definitely the first time people have sexualized a serial killer. At least this time they are 2d and not real life like, Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer (who was actually gay). Needless to say but I will say it anyway, I dont think that these comic book characters are going to make people think any less of you because you are gay. I think your attitude that you showed earlier will make people think less of you! Gay or not, you catch more flies with honey, show a little more respect in your arguments and people will take you a little more seriously. Also, generalizing everyone the way you did is never nice.
Thanks

Too bad Koogi isn't a cis white male. I guess I don't win the oppression bingo today.

All your comments point to you being the obvious problem. I AM GAY. This manhwa has gay characters portrayed in a negative light. Others might see ME as a bad person because this manga has bad gay people in it therefore I AM OFFENDED by it.

You have a problem so rather than just let things be and move on you come and carry on. What do you hope to accomplish by doing all this? The only thing you are doing is making people form negative opinions of you. Not because of your sexuality or your views of the manhwa but because you're coming off as unpalatable.

Your last response says it all. You feel threatened and hurt and you lash out. Maybe where you live there is still a lot of stigma but you just painted everyone with a broad brush to attempt to prove your point. You are just as guilty as the people you are accusing. Lmao ( see how that works?)

(I went and took a break to read other comments and I agree with Lol and v. You sound like you're the one who need therapy. It's also ironic how you don't like the terms gays or homosexuals but you just labeled a bunch of people homophobic when you don't know them. Do you or do you not want respect?)

If where you live is a problem, maybe you should take your rampaging offline and into the streets where it matters. You don't even know most of the people you are talking to online come from. You don't know what our views are on homosexuality or anything like that. You don't even know who is seriously gushing over Sangwoo and who isn't. You seem like you just want to cause a disturbance.

In a follow up to what Lol said let me tell you this. There's a lot of talk about the rights and treatment of gay and trans people. It isn't perfect all over the world but a lot of people are more aware. I would even say a lot of them are trying to be more open and accepting but when you behave like that, it repels people. I would say that the fujoshi and fudashi community, giving the nature of their hobby, would probably be more apt to stand with gay people so why are you here attacking them? Again, what do you hope to accomplish?

Maybe it's time for people like you to take a step back and let the story unfold and let the world adjust because at this point you're doing more harm than good. People don't need or like to be preached to. You aren't saying anything new and you're raging over something petty which makes your cause look petty which causes less people to sympathise with you.

You say you don't want to control or censor but if your voice and voices like yours were the only valid ones, KS and many other stories wouldn't exist. From my experience on the net, I'd say lots of things won't exist because people get offended by anything. Sadly we live in a world where people think they have a right to not be offended and shut down everything that offends them. NEWSFLASH: We don't.

I'm going to keep asking you this question. What do you hope to achieve by behaving like this here? Because your actions seem futile and even talking to you seem futile.

Also, on the Internet, nothing is censored.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/

All I had to do was type in "read Mein Kampf online" and I found it in less than 5 seconds flat. I'm guessing from your behaviour you either live in a country where censorship is normal or there is a lot of push for it these days but I don't live in such a country. I weep for people who think speech should be limited. (The irony! Someone who belongs to a marginalized group pushing for rights thinks it's okay to limit the rights of others!)

Admittedly, I did post Mein Kampf to agitate you a bit but I also posted it to prove something to you; you can't stop ideas from existing and you can't stop people from finding what they want to see. I'm pretty sure at least one anti-Semite lives in your country so banning Mein Kampf didn't work. The same logic goes of KS or any piece of "offensive homophobic" material. Or any material that offends any group and portrays them in a negative light. You can't stop ideas from existing and change the way people feel by banning anything and if someone wants it and is willing to look hard enough they will find it.

Also, I like how you think I'm American despite the fact that most of my words are spelt with a British spelling. Can't you tell I am not? Since you correctly guessed we are all homophobes, I thought you had magical powers that made all your assumptions right.

I wasn't stigmatizing anyone. I was just assuming that decades of research into human behaviour and how it links to our childhood would yield a conclusion resonating higher than malarkey. I guess after you've finished humouring us simpletons you should publish a dissertation to the APA notifying them that the hundreds of psychologists and psychiatrists who've contributed to further understanding the mechanism human mind are wrong. I guess we should all go refer to you now, oh great wise one. Or should we go back to animal sacrifices and holy water?

I'm glad that my views on Sangwoo's ans Yoonbum's relationship satiates you. Please don't burn down my crops.

sure jan
but consider this: if you support media that is homophobic and ableist, you are supporting this mentality. you don't get to choose what is or isn't prejudiced just because you like a fucking webtoon.
if you can ignore the homophobia and ableism in this webtoon and consider it good, you are fucking homophobic and ableist.
it's really not that complicated

I don't believe that the webtoon is homophobic simply because it does not represent an ideal relationship between two men. No one has said that homophobia and ableism was ignored or a that it was a good thing. I didn't even mention if I liked KS or not. You shouldn't classify all people as homophobic and ableist simply for reading a webtoon. Things in life aren't so black and white. This really doesn't matter for my opinion here but I am gay and I also have mental health issues. For varying reaons, I've dealt with a great deal of prejudice in my lifetime and even to this day. Fujoshi aren't the source of my problems and making yaoi disappear won't resolve prejudice. I think you are attacking something that is not the source of your problems as well.

Wow. So sometimes gay people can be assholes too (I should know). Isn't it worse to relegate fictional homosexuals to safe roles for identity politics?

Gays are just as big of a bigots, apparently. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ And this particular one is uncivilized, and has no apparent goal other than just to spread hate. He talks about the oppression of homosexuals, but he says it amidst bigotry. It's hard to sympathize with his argument when he talks so shitty. He's not getting any sympathy from me. It might even attract more hate to what he's arguing because of how he is.

Lol. had fun reading the comments. Like hell did i ever imagine it would turn out like this. Anyway, everybody is entitled to their own opinions. We are all here to enjoy great yaoi. (Depends on your own taste) so

jesus FUCKING CHRIST this thread is the virtual representation of cancer
this fucking gay dude anon whining constantly "muh gay representation!!!11!11!" and bawwwing about mental illnesses, fucking chill mate
yes we all know gay representation is good in some series but fucking hell going as far as to insult koogi for it
that anon is more toxic than i am kek

So what scares you that such fiction affects your reality? Do you get the gist? Digest it

What the fuck are you guys judging people because a person is gay. Gay is just a sexual preference not related to a fucking mental illness. Give me a citation if you fucking disagree and prove me with factual basis.

An individual can be straight or gay and still behave like an asshole. You judge people with their action and not biased anyone's opinion because they have other personal preference that isn't your fucking business.

So, if I hated rats and you have a rat as a pet. Should I insist that your argument is invalid because you have a fucking rat in a cage and pet them like some cats? No, you supposedly don't act that fucking way.

Nothing you linked to shows a direct relationship between people enjoying fiction and their actions in real life. Just because there is a relationship doesn't mean it is direct or literal, or that real life is not very different from fiction.

As for your suggestions of googling, in any research you can "dig for gold" or look for crap. I think what your one-sided results show are an attempt at confirmation bias, and some conjecture and editorial comments by various writers.

Er, when I said "I should know", I meant I am also gay (or LGBT+--it depends who defines what). Just as one person can't speak for all gays, neither should you judge all gays by one. Homosexuals do face some nasty things (in some places, it can be life-threatening), but that has nothing to do with this story.

Read the whole fucking thread before bullshitting your way into the conversation. His actions and hate speech is what fueled this into a bigger fire than it should be. He fucking punched in some pretty low blows while everyone else tried to have a civil argument. So, yea, expect a few below-the-belt shit be thrown at your way also.

Don't bring in your sexual preference and play victim. I don't fucking care if you're straight or fucking pansexual. Ugh. If you read the thread, the boy's a bully. There are constructive criticisms, but all he did is just to spread his hate about how unfair the world is because he thinks a webtoon automatically makes people think gays are "disgusting, abnormal " etc

I admit that I wasn't committed to the whole thread. I still haven't now, and I didn't mention my sexual preference or playing victim at all. I was giving my opinion that you shouldn't judge a person because you are biased with an individual's personal preference. "Gay people can be asshole also too" - it was meant for sarcasms, but I based my opinion on that.

Thanks for your brief summary but I really don't relate my opinion with whomever boy you were referring to.

Okay, clearly this thread is going in the wrong direction. Everybody here just wants to read some good stories and has their own interests. Just because of some hater hating on the author and the story itself. If you dont like it then keep it to yourself and dont insult the author.

Just wanted to share my own feelings regarding this story. So lets all have fun and be civil. Will probably have to remove/delete this thread dont wanna cause so much drama than what it currently is.

Don't delete it. Let it be a reminder to us.

I think the word you are searching for is "cocktease" :P

Nyahahaha thanks for the right word. I learn everday here. Hahaha

I did read the chapter again and think he was really doing it but stopped midway and switched to the friggin dildo.

I wondered about that too, but after Sangwoo pulled Bum's underwear down, there's a panel right after that shows he's looking away. Why is that? 1) I think the "...." was to show Sangwoo wasn't totally on board with doing it and 2) He's looking in the direction where the dildo was and so he formed his cruel idea.

During the act, Bum also thought "This feels familiar..."

Anyway, this is my own take on it. Unless this is addressed later, it's really the reader's choice to decide whether Sangwoo did it or not.

Righhttt. There was that time that bum said it was familiar. Gosh that was so cuel huhu hope he did it midway. Huh

Or when they heard someone tell you to suck their dick and you can hear the sucking noises.

How embarrassing and humiliating.. Poor thing..its awful

Yeah. I felt so bad reading that chapter. No shit he turned out the way he is right now. And sunbae had to go and get married.

Because he's showing that he's not just abusive but mentally unhinged and needs to therapy stat?

ikr he is pretty h o t