Hachi's Topics (38)

Yes, this is sad. But that's as far as I agree with you.

I also think that Kan-chan loves Yumi, or better yet that he LIKED Yumi, in the past. No matter what happened there's no excuse to abuse your SO like that. Actually, there's no excuse to abuse your SO or anyone you even remotely care about. Kan-chan isn't doing that because he loves Yumi, he can only do that because he doesn't. He is, at best, feeling possessive of him. He treats his "lover" as a sandbag and blow-up doll.

And did you just honestly say it's Yumi's fault? I know he isn't doing anything to stop it, but the psychological state of abuse victims can be very complex.
In fact, many victims don't break away from their abusive relationships because of that mindset. Because they stop seeing themselves as victims. They often start thinking that the abuser is the actual victim and they are somehow responsable for everything. And having the society constantly saying that the victims are only abused because it's their own damned fault doesn't help in the least! That's why they keep those abusive relationships and don't tell anyone untill it's too late - yes, too late because many people actually DIE.
That applies not only to domestic abudse but also to rape.
"it's their fault they're hit because they don't stop it"
"it's their fault because they should know the other one wouldn't like that"
"it's her fault because was wearing heels/skirt/shots/jeans/dress"
"it's his fault... sorry, he's lying because men can't be raped"

bloody BULLSHIT!!!
It's that backwards mentally that is at fault!
It's that mindset that needs to be changed!

I understand exactly what you mean. I'm not saying that people who are abused are at fault because they allow it to happen. I'm speaking strictly towards Yumi because of how he takes the beatings. He laughs it off, makes it seem like it's no big deal, and treating punch as if he deserves it. He really does care for Kan-chan and probably thinks this is all he can do for him. He knows he can get out of this situation but chooses to stay because of a certain reason. And, if we want to look at it this way, Yumi is a man and is physically as strong as Kan-chan so he can even fight back if he wanted to but chooses not to. Most female victims are NOT physically as strong as the men are. Overall, all I'm saying is Yumi knows he can leave, knows he can fight back, knows he can stop this if he wanted to but chooses not to because he might believe that Kan-chan still really likes him. I agree with you wholeheartedly about abuse and everything it's just in this story, I feel there might be something more than just Kan-chan being a possessive ass whole. Just my opinion on the story.

Ok, I understand what you're trying to say. But I don't think you actually know what you are saying, or didn't understand what I explained in my previous answer.
You claim that you are strictly speaking about Yumi and not abuse victims in general. However everything you say that only applies to Yumi actually applies to many abuse victims (like I was trying to say before). "He laughs it off,... and treating punch as if he deserves it". That's what many abuse victims in real life think. And also it's not unusual that abuse victims will defend their aggressors before insults/a call for reality. That's because they think they deserve it, that "this is all they can do", or even that it's normal.
"He knows he can get out of this situation but chooses to stay because of a certain reason"Or maybe that reason, whatever it is, makes him actually believe he can't get away from it. I don't know yet about the particular case of this manga, but in a abusive relationship there's not only physical abuse - there's also PSYCHOLOGICAL abuse. The aggressors make so the victims won't leave them, using an assortment of physical and psychological techniques.

About not getting away from the relationship even if they're as strong or stronger than the abuser. "Most female victims are NOT physically as strong as the men are." Yes, most female victims. Yet, they can just go to any law enforcement agency and report it, or go to an hospital after a beating and let them proceed with it- which can be done in most if not all developed countries, including... USA and Japan!
But do you know? THere are ale MALE victims (and they're not as few as you would think). Men abused by other men or even by WOMEN! Are you going to say the same thing about these? It isn't all about physical power. As I just said, there is psychological abuse as well, and it can be even more damaging for the victim than the physical one.

This manga is quite good at depicting an actual abusive relationship and how victims react to it (well, at least so far, since I haven't read the raws yet).

Basically, what you claim that is just about this one story, is actually about most IRL abusive relationships. Go get yourself some actual information on the theme and then talk about it. Don't just spew wathever you think without any background knowledge.

Look, I'm not trying to start a WHOLE argument about this. I'm just trying to tell my opinion on the story and on Yumi. It seems you know more about the trauma about abuse victims and I'm NOT disagreeing with you AT ALL!!! Understand that! I'm just giving what I think about Yumi in this certain context. I'm not saying your wrong and I'm not saying I'm right. I'm giving my opinion on the situation at hand and NOT on abusive relationships in general. This is just what I think about the story. You're doing WAY to much right now. Just my opinion on the story and Yumi, and you can't change what I think about THIS story. I'm done with this conversation. Good-bye Prak!!!

I apologize. I reckon my reaction was disproporcional and maybe almost infantile.
Everyone has the right to have their own opinion. And I was NOT trying to change yours regarding this manga.

It's just that it looks like somehow I misunderstood you. It's hard not to generallize when this particular manga is so realistic.
Specially right now for me. I know a few people who are/were in abusive relationships. And at the moment some friends and I are really worried about about one of our friends. She's been hanging out less and less, and now she is almost never seen. And we think she may be even phisically abused. We're really worried.
I also didn't want to start an argument (although you have to be ready for one once you post anything online - me and my overreaction included).

Once again, I'm sorry. It's just that it's a sensitive subject for me right now.

I understand it may be a sensitive subject and I should be more ready for arguments since this is an online post for everyone to see. Next time we will know our boundaries. It's all good ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Exactly! I wanted the mermaid guy to be the Uke too! Gosh how I wish it will be. ┗( T﹏T )┛

Usually, not always, but usually... the aggressor is the seme. Why is it they don't "flip" in yaoi? Take turns, guys!

I agree oh my god!!!! Do u know any mangas like this?? But no cheating yaois pls huhu stuff like that gave me complicated feelings

I get to a point where I am yelling at the screen like, "YO-----U DUMBASS!" or "STOP OVERTHINKING AND GIVE IN ALREADY!" Heh heh.

I really want to know too. Kabu was obviously straite bevor and normaly a Yakuza dont sleep with his underling, so i think somehow Nirasawa seduced him(⌒▽⌒)

I know right?!?!?! I need to know what happened (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Here it is, the first time they fucked!
http://fujoshibitches.shounen-ai.net/reader/read/bi_no_kyojin/en/0/0/page/1

Lovely! Thanks for the link!!

Bless You!!!!

I agree with you its a fresh start and a cute one as well. and the ' its not a punishment but a reward ' is sooooo freaking sweet.

(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ That's the spirit!!