Despite thinking that Minwoo is in love with Seungtaek, and supposedly rooting for their relationship, Norman is continually and regularly engaging in a sexual relationship with Seungtaek. And I'd be fine with it if he acknowledged that he no longer wishes for the two of them to be together because he himself wants to be with Seungtaek. But no, he doesn't. He's continuing to be dishonest with both himself and poor Minwoo.
exactly! he's been weird and unlikable since the first time he had sex with creepy boy
Yall read one Korean period manhwa and somehow everything about it reminds you of Painter of the Night. The only similarity between the stories is the time period and fashion. Nothing else is similar at all
fr!! mind you, POTN wasn’t the first historical bl
I have two question to ask to the people that say there is no r@pe in this story.
1. If someone did what this boxer did to Dan in real life (which does happen), do you or do you not think they should be arrested? If while engaging in intercourse, someone expresses that they want to stop because they are in pain, and their partner continues anyway, what do you call that?
2. When men forces themselves women who are dressed in revealing clothing, their PoV will usually be that she was "asking for it by wearing that." Does that erase the fact that she was r@ped?
If you didn't consent to the intercourse, changed your mind during the act, or asked your partner to stop doing something that is making you uncomfortable, and the person continues anyway, THAT IS R@PE.
If you like this story anyway, that's fine. But the problem starts where your minds are so destroyed & desensitised by these acts that you can no longer recognise r@pe. That is very concerning.
Uhm. How do I say this (sry not the best at explaining ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ ) It is definitely SA and Jaekyung is definitely abusive towards Dan. It's very toxic. Arrest him for sure if you want, nobody is defending him. He's a horrible person ╮(＾▽＾)╭ however his actions just aren't rape. For one they are in a contract relationship (again I'm not defending him by saying this) the terms of their contract relationship is that Jaekyung give Dan shit loads of money and Dan has to have sex with Jaekyung whenever Jaekyung wants. He's a piece of shit and Dan deserves better (it was funny when he punched him lol) however within the boundaries they have both agreed on in their relationship there is an explicit agreement that all the sex towards Dan is agreed upon by both parties. They did sign up for this. Written consent is a thing in contract relationships it's just harder to show if there is actually implicit consent. (Ahh I'm not too good at explaining) By showing both povs for both Dan and Jaekyung it shows their intentions and thoughts during these moments. Dan is clearly shown to dislike sex but agrees to it. It might be a bit crude to compare it to a deal, but for them that's exactly what it is. They both keep doing this as it is beneficial to the both of them. Of course when Dan showed a clear intention to leave (when the hospital call happened I don't remember the ch. sry Σ( ￣□￣||) ) Jaekyung didn't like this as it went against the contract (he's a dick) however they stopped and Dan went about his business at the hospital. I can understand how the rough nature of Jaekyung when having sex can misconstrue it as rape, but it isn't. He's an asshole, but he does know when to stop. (Still pushes Dan too far sometimes, but it shows from his pov that he just doesn't pick up on Dan's problems most of the time until they actually move in together, this would make sense as outside of their contract relationship, of sex whenever for installments of money, Jaekyung had little reason before to notice or care about these things, it wasn't part of that contract.) (´；ω；｀) Hope I explained it well enough. It's important to understand that one can dislike something and still consent to it for other benefits. Doesn't make Jaekyung any less of a jerk.
We all know the difference. Do you? Real life and fictions are completely different. If all that happens real life, it's SA or r@pe. If it happens in fictions, the reader is free to interpret it any way they want.
I find many things very concerning in your post.
1. What is the difference between a MMA artist and boxing? (Unlike Boxing which only allows punches such as jabs and uppercuts, MMA allows for a wide range of strikes. https://absolutemma.com/blog/boxing-vs-mma-whats-the-difference/ ) and different styles.
2. Which one is the seme? MMA
- chapter 1 “REIGNING LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF MFC'S* INTERNATIONAL
MIXED MARTIAL ARTS TOURNAMENT.”
3. Why call him a boxer? (Boxers are better when it comes to boxing. MMA fighters are better when it comes to MMA. https://wayofmartialarts.com/boxing-or-mma-which-one-is-better/)
——- I have not said anything about this but when somebody calls him a boxer it indicates to me they have not read the story carefully or understand it’s MMA fighter. (Or lazy)
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4. Why do you think “there is no rape.” means we are saying there is no SA or abuse?
5. Why do you think we see nothing wrong? Do you think “There is no rape” means we see a romantic love story?
6. Do you know the difference between SA and Rape? From my friend, https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/.
Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape.
This story is SA but not rape is what we are saying.
We are not defending him. He is toxic. He is abusive. He isn’t rainbows and sunshine.
7. Why do you think we are defending him
8. Why do you think we think he is rainbows and sunshine?
Your first question:
I think any one should want him arrested for physical abuse. Why are you asking that? He slammed one uke’s face in the wall. He slammed Dan face in the pillow. He is abusive.
Your question 1 was two questions. It seems for the second part you were trying to lead to your pov for a win. This would be cherry picking for the whole situation. Dan consented. Dan said Stop. When Joo asked him how many guys he had he stopped. He started again without asking which is a no-no. The next thing Dan says is to ask for him to a gentler. Consent can be given and taken away not once. Dan consented again because he could told him to stop but why would he ask that if he thought he was being rape or they were not equal status? Your question 1 part b was manipulative because the answer to that is rape but that doesn’t make the answer to jinx being rape. Joo paid for sex like be normally does. Rape is about control and power. If you think rape is sex - seek professional help. If you go to when Dan is crying, Joo is concerned. Dan lied to Joo and Joo is in the mindset he is in the mindset he is with someone with experience. He would had been easier on him if he knew. He is toxic and I am not defending him. It is dan’s fault too.
In my comments I have used this as real life. If you want to call it rape you can’t call Joo a rapist because he is clueless. Everyone would be in trouble if we called him a rapist. As a rape crisis counselor it does come close to rape at times but the next scene changes it. On my first reading I was it is rape. We are not forcing this on anyone.
As a whole of what is there it isn’t rape but if we add thoughts… but then in the real world wouldn’t we all be trouble
-yes judge I told him yes.
Yes judge I told him to put it in.
Yes I said no but I told him to go gentle after.
However I was thinking I don’t want this. I wanted to be done. I wanted him to stop as I verbally gave him consent, even after I took it away. Then judge I agree to a contract to have sex with him at anytime he wanted too. I am saying I am rape because I was THINKING I didn’t want to. Is Joo a mind reader? Can he see the background information and thoughts bubbles?
The ones saying rape are harming real rape survivors. They repeatedly show they have not read it carefully and use background information or thought bubbles to say it rape. Joo is toxic but you got to look he stopped when he was crying and did stop at one of the times Dan said stop in their first time. Joo wants sex not rape.
Your question two is irrelevant and manipulative.
It has nothing to do with the story. Why do you think we don’t think we don’t know what rape is? Men who forces themselves on women and claims they are in “asking for” are monsters. They need life in prison or a death penalty. Rape is a hideous crime. It is barbaric what rape survivors have to go through. It is life altering and most rapist walk free. That is scary and many rape survivors don’t report it. Then the backlog of untested rape kits. What kind of question is that! Those women are not at fault. It is not the womens fault. They don’t need to blame themselves. It is the men with those thoughts and can’t control themselves. I’m glad to the ones that have the courage to talk about it. It helps them heal. That question shows you think we don’t know what rape is. If we answered yes that would somehow validate your pov on the story. Both your questions was on real life. This is a story.
“If you didn't consent to the intercourse, changed your mind during the act, or asked your partner to stop doing something that is making you uncomfortable, and the person continues anyway, THAT IS R@PE. “ Yes. Another yes but it doesn’t validate your pov of the story. Dan consented and changed his mind many times. Many times. If you pick one you are cherry picking to your pov and not reading the full scene. Your quote isn’t the FULL story details. Consent can be given and taken away. Joo stopped one of those times. What story are you reading?
“If you like this story anyway, that's fine.”
1. One is a rape survivor who hates the story and the seme.
2. One reads rape stories for a reason. He thinks it is dull. You should read other stories worst than this.
3. I am a straight man. I analyze things my friend asked me to analyze this. I don’t like it or love it. I am a rape crisis counselor. I know what rape is and isn’t.
“But the problem starts where your minds are so destroyed & desensitised by these acts that you can no longer recognise r@pe. That is very concerning.”
This is a direct ad hominem from your pov. Where your questions were indirect. This is where your lost. It is “see my pov of rape or our minds are so destroyed & desensitised by these acts that you can no longer recognise r@pe”
You are forcing your pov on us. That is the problem here. Please respect others that don’t share your pov. If you can’t handle that please seek professional help. You can’t live that way in this world. Our minds are not destroyed or desensitized to where we are forcing people into a pov and cyber bullying them over a story. We do recognize rape. We recognize this is a story, a fantasy and meant for entertainment. The story comes close to rape but it isn’t. We are not forcing that or giving an hominem to force you into it either. I don’t appreciate what you said or did here. Getting to the core of your message,it was filled of assumptions about us and just disgusting insults without trying to have a conversation. Do you miss my topic on this?
From the real-life questions to that ad hominem. I don’t know if they do. I don’t think they understood “it is not rape but SA and abusive.” bunch.
And exactly.
“ nobody is defending him. He's a horrible person ”
Very true.
Agreed. I don’t think I mentioned the contract in my comment. The 2 of 3 questions were distracting as they were unrelated to the story.
man i miss this discourse in the comment section keep at it guys
No babe, fictional rape is still rape. It's fictional, but rape is rape. Do yall even know what words mean?
You said a whole lot of nothing. My first clue that your response was going to be a slew of nonsensical drivel was when you pointed out the difference between MMA & boxing as if that is relevant to whether or not the rapist seme is a rapist. If while having intercourse someone asks you to stop & you continue, that is rape. Period. He's a rapist. But I'm more concerned about the fact that yall refuse to acknowledge that he's a rapist than the fact that yall read & enjoy this story. Because as long as you're able to separate fiction from reality that's fine. He's a fictional character. He's not actually raping anyone in real life. Yet yall weirdos who live in the real world can't even recognise rape for what it is. Whether or not Dan is getting paid, if he withdrew consent during the act, the "MMA fighter" should stop & simply not pay him since he didn't deliver on the service. Since he continued on numerous occasions despite Dan's protests, that's rape. You sound like the kind of person that doesn't believe sex workers can be raped.
No Bro.
1.Fictional murder is still murder. It’s fictional, but murder is murder. Do y’all even know what words mean?
- It is fictional because no one real dies. It is not murder in the real world. We consider it murder in the fantasy world.
If we considered it murder in the real world we would be trying to arrest the characters according your logic.
2. Fictional mugging is still mugging. It’s fictional, but mugging is mugging . Do y’all even know what words mean?
- it is fictional because no one real is mugged or we would be trying to arrest characters according to your logic.
No one real is rape.
There is no rape in this story. Dan is not raped.
You can view as rape. Would you stop degrading others because you feel you are right and better than everyone else?
“You said a whole lot of nothing.”
—- Cool fantasy, bro: As I gave you proper responses and answered all your questions debunking your ignorance on what we said.
— The story is clear he is a MMA fighter not a boxer. The nonsensical is your disgusting comment.
- They story is clear he is not a rapist.
- you are cherry picking to your pov.
- No, bro, you are obsessed with rapist, you are making him one.
- I have many it clear to you many times. I don’t enjoy this story. You do. I have no like or love. I am straight. My friend who read noncon story says this is dull and not rape. Stop gaslighting to your pov.
- Megako is a sock puppet account.
- Stop degrading others who understand what rape is.
You sound like the kind of person who doesn’t like being wrong and go to great lengths to trying to prove everyone is wrong and failing each time. It is easy to admit your wrong and grow. It is easy to stop. It is harder to harass people with 7 or more accounts because you were proven wrong. You felt stupid. We didn’t make you feel that way. You did. Stop.
Sock puppet.
I do too. I wished it was here on this page. Sigh……
Thank you for sharing your words of encouragement! We will try are best. We need to find more genuine people who want real conversations instead of the ones that are here to starts fights with violence and malice.
Either 1. Gyuh-wool somehow managed to either break out of jail & evade the police while raising no alarms or bribed his way out of justice, then bought the convenience store & kidnapped Jinyoo again. Both of these scenarios are far-fetched as Gyuh-wool isn't powerful enough to either break out of a cell, kill all the officers watching him, make out of without being recognized & make sure no one noticed that he's missing or bribed enough people for him to evade multiple charges of rape, kidnapping & attempted murder.
2. Jinyoo has developed schizophrenia or a similar mental illness because of his PTSD from the incident. There's actually a bit of evidence for us to assume this is the case. Jinyoo saw Gyuh-wool while having sex with Hayan, while she obviously wasn't Gyuh-wool. Jinyoo heard Gyuh-wool's voice when he bumped into that man at the convenience store. When Jinyoo "sees" Gyuh-wool we technically see him too, but that could just be us seeing what he sees. When Gyuh-wool speaks his speech isn't in a speech bubble, it's formatted just like Jinyoo's thoughts. In extra 2 the last words "... Jinyoo was unable to escape from (Gyuh-wool's) grasp for quite some time, even after the incident. With that some time being... a mere couple of months." This could easily be interpreted figuratively. That plop/this we hear outside the convenience store could be the sound of Jinyoo fainting out of fright. I think this is much more likely than Gyuh-wool breaking out of jail. I think that ending makes this manga less than it could be.
This is just my interpretation. Lemme know if y'all agree/disagree.
For the first one: Gyuhwool was rich so maybe he paid a cop to release him? Idk, but i agree with the second theory
This shit is so misogynistic & implies that almost all sexy women are rapists who can't control themselves & will sleep with people who can't consent just because they're horny, while the "good" women are modest & pure.
You know, i dont agree with the plot either but this is clearly written blindly and with the sole purpose of it is for guilty pleasure.. go find some intellectual and finely written webtoons to criticize
Nah, I won't. Just because it's smut doesn't mean it can't be criticized. There's smut that doesn't perpetuate harmful shit like this.
That's fine. Its your opinion afterall
After forcing your child to start Judo when she didn't want to you're forcing her to quit by putting enormous pressure on her. What's up with the moms in this story? All of them except Eunyung's mom suck.
Wait wat do u mean haejoon's mom? Cause we haven't been introduced to eunyung's mom yet
Well yeah, I do mean out of the moms we've met
After Min Hyuk came & saved Soo Young you swoop in & snatch him away when 5 minutes ago you were saying you hoped he gets hurt so he'll stay with you. And how is Tae Seung supposed to be better than the first guy Soo Young was with? They're both abusive just in different ways. In fact I'd argue that Tae Seung is worse. I kinda want Soo Young to end up with Min Hyuk but I know that won't happen so I want him to stop treating the guy who likes him like crap. Maybe they can start dating (=・ω・=)
I always like minhyuk for soo young but damn! We know that soo young always thinking of that dickhead so yeah ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Harsh truth but it needs to be said. The reason why some of y'all get so livid when people comment negatively about the rape/sexual assault in a manga is because while you may not think that rape in real life is ok, you have become extremely desensitized to it, especially if you read a lot of yaoi which most people on this site do. I've said numerous times that I read manga with rape all the time & I don't have a problem once it's seen as the horrible act it is. The truth is in way too many yaoi mangas (or ecchi/hentai mangas in general) there's a lack of consent & the offending person usually faces little to no consequences for their actions, in fact it often happens that they are rewarded with the person they raped returning their feelings despite the fact that that's a sick & twisted "love." Whether you want to admit it or not, the media you consume has a huge impact on your psyche. This has been proven time & time again. Proof of your desensitization is the fact that you're telling people (especially in regards to this particular story) to leave & stop reading it if they don't like it, instead of addressing the legitimate concerns they have.
With Rix Vanus, as we've been saying over & over, *everyone* reading this story knew there'd be rape. It was in the first fucking chapter! We're not simply addressing rape here, we're talking about the fact that it has become normalized in this story. Someone attempts to/actually rapes/sexually assaults Rix, Rix gets away somehow, Rix completely forgets/doesn't care about what just happened to him, the person faces no consequences for what they just did/attempted to do, it's swept under the rug & forgotten about like it never happened, lather, rinse, repeat. If you're telling people to shut up about this it's because you think rape is ok just because it's fiction & that is concerning. Because you've seen rape be treated as if it's not a big deal, you're starting to think that as long as it's not real it's ok.
Stop telling us to just drop the manga. Because I can tell you if you hate seeing people talking about the rape to stop going to the topics. We've been reading this story for months & have fallen in love with the characters & initial storyline. Some people need to vent their frustrations about a manga they thought looked promising & became invested in. It's illogical to think that people will just drop a story they've been invested in for months without saying a word.
SO WELL SAID. sometimes I have to stop and think a little more critically, I like with 100% perfect or sum, they apologized and then took time to heal and it’s just not happening here. Also, it defiantly has an affect on your brain so we should be more careful in what we as readers consume like and support. All in all tho this take was super good
I'm sad that I am desensitized by rape. I read so many yaoi manga to the point where I see it and I can continue reading it. The problem is the Authors of yaoi. So many of them go the rape route. To the point where you have to be desensitized to it, so you can continue reading the story plot.
ME!! I feel so bad about it to, but when they down play it a ton I also feel shorty for trying to convince myself that it’s fine. Or when they’re like ‘your saying no but your body blah blah blah’ is also so weird looking at it in a critical way. I wish that this story didn’t trely so heavily on raping Rix all the time cuz the style and main plot is so nice. But I need to personally work on trying to be more specific with what I read and enjoy.
Same hunny, same, like we got desensitized by it all. It is sad, but not a lot we can do. The Author typically goes the rape route even when we don't want them to. I just keep reading it for the plot. Nothing much we can do.
What I do to try & prevent this from happening, I drop a manga that has those kinds of disgusting lines every now & then. Most times I force myself to read through, but sometimes I stop myself because it's too much to handle
Thank you!
I totally agree, while we may voice that we dislike the rape and it makes us sad doesn't necessarily mean we don't want to continue with the book. I'm in love with this story however when it get to the point where you're sending threats to the author and shaming the creative process is another Matter entirely. Rape isn't okay. Sex without consent isn't okay, however this is up to the author. Now we can either keep reading, we can complain or we could drop the book entirely but really I hope we can have a little optimism and see a silver lining where the author finally let's Rix take control of his situation and we can see a happy ending for nuah and rice because jeez Rix is a beautiful man and it hurts seeing how he's taken advantage of but I really want to believe it'll get better. I love him and nuah soooo much.
Same. I don't think I'll drop it either because I really like the story despite what's happening here. I just hope it doesn't continue & I don't think people should be attacking the author either. There's a difference between criticism & hate.
Exactly, nothing is wrong is you disagree with how things are going there are aspects you like and aspects you may hate but I draw the line at endangering a real person's life or just being really awful directly to the author. They have feelings too so i'm praying things get better for the book. This book literally can be solely on breaking Rix, that would break my heart. We have to keep our fingers cross for our boys. Rix and Nuah we're rooting for your happiness!
Lol i see so many errors. I meant it can't be solely to break him. Like Rix is so precious and Nuah is too.
It's ok I totally got what you meant & I agree
Thanks^_^
THANK YOU!! IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS ON ITHER STORIES. AND I GET ATTACKED EVERYTINE I DO
I'm sorry to hear hun. People can be so awful.
People on this site can be a bit overbearing at times lol
I think, don't quote me on this, but I think a lot of people are desensitized and used to seeing rape in BL stories. So when they see someone complain about it, they automatically tell you to drop the story. They see you as someone who is complaining about the author work. So if you have a problem with it you can leave. It is unfavorable and harsh. But yeah people are desensitized by rape in fictional stories.
One day we'll talk about the erasure of black & brown Egyptians from media. Btw this isn't an attack on the webtoon or anything I'm just tired of seeing this
I agree strongly
Not my dumbass thinking all this time that Jihyun just beat up Chinwoo that day and that's all that happened. I had no idea until reading the extra that he actually r*ped him. That added a whole new layer to Jihyun's character for me. The audacity to come back and DEMAND forgiveness after that.