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I think she "got pregnant" because she was storing magic she absorbed from other people, than "gave birth" when her body couldn't handle absorbing anymore magic.
The prince created an magic puppet from his own magic (I think) in a moment where someone he cared about was somewhat in danger so he kind of "vomited" magic to create a creature who would protect her, which is why he got soo weak after. We need to remember he IS sick and is mostly alive because of magic inside of him and healing magic.
But yeah. Where the hack is the panda? I also want to know. The author seems to have forgotten the magic puppets are supposed to be important. I mean... the king killed a serpent and the knight DIED. So... what the hack?

literally my words after finishing the chapter (⌒▽⌒)

These people sniped this series from a different scans group.

Actually, there's already a group that translates this manga before this group. The og group was translating slow but in good quality, then this group came in and sniped it from them, releasing lower quality translations but in a faster rate than the og group. So the og group stopped translating this i think, because of that. Now this group is getting slower in translating because they're now at least improving their translation.

This made me think that now they're doing a better translating and getting slower coz of that, maybe some group might snipe it from them too with a lower quality but a faster release, just like what they did with the first translator group ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Oh shitttt

Good remark. I thought of that too. Yes, infortunately this is a possibility... If their relationship of Seungho and Nakyum is still toxic and he still remain so naive about the teach, in the case of NK discover the veritable nature of the teach and knew this latter's only using him to realize his plan, NK will be so broken and might want to commit suicide.
The boy really needs to grow mentally stronger and become more self-aware about how bad and fake his teacher is.
His problem is he's so blind by his adoration for the Sir love it's really problematic in his case... and he's the first victim of that btw.

Personally I think that if that happens it would be the turning point of the story and change the relationships between NK and those around him. In what way I'm not sure, since this is yaoi the seme might feel like he should be maybeee a little better but I'm not sure

The only way to avoid such tragedy (suicide) is for him to become more self aware of his surroundings and people's manipulation, WITHOUT the intervention of external forces or a major event or the "discovery of the truth", but by a process of self-awareness. Again, what's hinder this is his extreme confidence and admiration for the teach; more than anything else, NK refuses to see the reality.
And infortunetaly, one of the only ways to grow self-awareness is through experiences (especially bad experiences). Since NK is so blinded by his love for the teach (backed up by his naivety), in his case only experiencing great harm might get him to realize what he refuses to see. Considering how extrem this story was since the start and pushed to go this way, it's a possibility that the painter is being pushed to his extrimities; cornered, therefore, forced to commit suicide.
Let's hope he'll survive this experience and trauma without him trying to kill himself or dying from this...

It's sure it'll be at a moment where it's determinant for the plot and characters growing.

This story is difficult to predict because it's not our usual one and due to the fact that Seungho's impulsive and unpredictable. He's good to NK when we didn't expect, and treats him bad when we thought he's gonna be good to him... What's sure is that by only forcing NK, NK will never like him let alone fall for him; Seungho's done so much harm to the lowborn infortunately. The Lord isn't the romantic type...
I think that any change towards a possible love - and the story to remain credible, this won't happen without the intervention of either Jiwhore or the teacher (or both) breaking the toxic dynamism, them ploting to eliminate the Lord (by extention harm Nakyum)... By that, only Nakyum can realize how much Seungho cares for him... Etc... (If he survived to the treason to his dear teach).

Sorry for my bad english, must be tiring to read lol.

I think if he finds out about that creepy ass, leecher-teacher, he’d probably start building a dependency on Seunghoe instead. It’d be a good plot point and would make a lot of sense. It seems like Seunghoe might treat Nakyum even SLIGHTLY better than before due to future events in the story. (I wont spoil it, read the raws if you wanna know: https://toonkor.ltd/야화첩 ) I'm thinking that due to this, Nakyum will start opening up to Seunghoe.

Falling for their rapist or getting stockholm syndrome is basically nothing new in the yaoi world. If that happnes then it'd be like 80℅ of other yaoi out there. So wouldn’t call that a good plot point. It'd be more of a twist if what the actual comment says comes true.

Wow, you guys are really into this ( ＾∀＾)

Actually I don't think so, before SH found NK he was just living a drinking life even tho he seems to not be in contact with IH anymore. If he knew IH true face rn I think he would firstly not believe it and after I think he wouldn't do something that extreme like even after all that happened he can 'defends' himself he's traumatized but still can face SH he also tried to escape he's just not enduring his condition (well bc of IH it's questionable now lol) idk how to put it but he's not as weak as he seems to be and some there assumed he was, just remember the scar on SH face he can fight so I don't think he could commit suic*de even tho he feels alone etc. OK i don't think all of this makes sense but i hope you understood my point ahah!

Because for people like you, the world is either black or white. No history, no change of hearts, no path, no experiences that could possibly make people mature and become better, following your sinister view of life.
The funny thing is you and the kind like you have no problem at all to see the characters ending in tragedy or died, better, in atrocious suffering, but when they're safe and possibly lovers in the end, OMG it's Stockholm Syndrome or rape to love trope! Please stop.
If you're so prone to see them suffer, why not write doujins where you could torture the MC as you wish?

I don't see the need to read or watch something only for the purpose of a sad ending. This world is already enough ugly as it is, no need to add more tragedies.

Yeah I understand well your point, and despite some worries about NK, I'm agree with you. Let's hope he'll be effectively strong enough to face the discovery of the Sir Asshole's true nature!

Reading your comment helped me see the possibilities differently. While there’s always a chance for him to be written as a weaker character, I think Nakyum definitely does have hidden potential in getting through his mess. He’d definitely be hung up on IH’s uglier side but it probably could do the opposite at the same time and make him stronger. I point this out a lot, but he grew up in a near-slave like background where he was fending for himself at a young age. He is knowledgeable about surviving, enough to understand that he needs to provide for himself. In Banana Fish, one of the main protags, Ash Linx was taken and involved in sex trafficking from a young age. He had to accept his position, that being that he was unable to do much. After years of withstanding the utter cruelty, he slowly found a way to earn the trust of the people who raped and used him, so that he could fRick em’ over and give them a good spanking as he freed himself. <— (I don’t personally count this as a spoiler as it’s gone into thoroughly in the anime and manga early on, altho sorry if you’re upset) I’m not saying N will be written so calculative but it’d be cool if he backstabs Seunghoe and plays on Seunghoe’s mysterious gravitation toward him.
I’m going to try and censor my profanity. Genuinely, sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, I need to be more pg hahaa

Just wtf are you talking about?

"HaPPy EnDinG noMaTTer wHAt" is it?

Even if it means for a rape victim to end up with his apist? Even if it means for a sexually and physically abused victim to end up with his abuser? You said "safe", right? That's safety to you? I'm not sure if you're hearing yourself right.

That's not a happy ending. Not for the victim atleast. It's a happy ending for the rapists, for the abusers, and definitely a happy ending for readers like you.

You know, I come from a third world country where the literacy rate is very low. On many side of our country, rape victims are forcefully given marriage with their rapists only so that society wouldn’t point a finger at her. And nobody gives a shit about it.

Being violated and not being able to get justice, do you know what living hell feels like? I've seen it. Believe me, nothing can beat this humiliation, helplessness, and hatred.

I never said I WANT Nakyum to commit suicide. I said that could merely be a possibility in reply to a similar comment. It'd be a twist cause it'd be a slight touch of realism. I want Nakyum to get back on his feet and fight for his justice. And I have high hopes for that cause the author herself hasn't romanticized any of the rape or abuse yet. The moment she does it, I'll drop this webtoon.

I don't really understand why you came onto me like that but, I know many people who wishes for happy ending no matter what, some even have a thing for rape tropes. But I've never come onto them here to chage their views or anything. I just share my opinions with people who shares similar views on this webtoon. You can wish the webtoon to end however the way you want. I really have no reason to oppose it. I mean preferences differs. But personally I can't wish for a victim to end up with his rapist, anything but that. And it wouldn’t change a thing either cause that's only a mere wish from a reader. If the story somehow takes that route, then this story just isn't for me and I'll not read, as simple as that. I'm prone to see a character suffer, if he's struggling for his justice. Struggling to fight the wrong. It's my taste.

Anyways, happy reading.

This iscexactly what I told: a black or white vision on these stories.
I told you this because your speech of Stockholm syndrom or rape-to-love trope is the usual short argument of those who reject any kind other development/ending other than tragedy or death for this kind of plot.
Discours like yours tend also to speak like if every story or plot ressemble to the other and that all abusers deserve to die. Tbh, I've seen much worse plots and worse characters than Seungho. And I think there are possibilities for him to grow as person and become better even a bit, therefore to have another path than tragedy.

About the Third world countries, I was born in one of these poor lands myself and my family had experienced such forced mariage with all the struggles, I don't need your moral lesson to know what's life. You don't have the monopole of Justice and we're not here to preach people about these matters; there are better places for this. I've lived enough and read enough to differenciate fictions from reality.
When we come to read Yaoi this is firstly to distract and entertain ourself, realism would be better, but if it's unrealistic it's just a fictional stories in the end.

Though the thing is, POTN is treated with realism concerning rape, so I think author-nim knows what they're doing or where they go, and there is still a long way to go for this manhwa.
I think that whatever the ending, I will still wish for Seungho to become a better version of himself; for me he's not beyond salvation, and if he finds peace and love with Nakyum and that this latter is also happy, why not? All depends on how the Author will unfold and bring this. And if not, it'll be sad but yeah, I'm in the supportive side about Seungho. And only because I think he can graw in a positive sense.

I never said the abuser deserves to die lol. I just said I don't prefer it when the rape and abuse gets romanticised and the victim ends up with his rapist.

You were talking about a black or white vision, right? Honestly saying, I could only ever see one vision and that's probably the worst one. I haven't read a single yaoi in my life where the victim actually considers himself as a "victim" and fights for his justice, and turns the story around. Not a single one.

It's always the same shit over and over again.

Rapes/Gets raped -> falls in love -> lives happily ever after.

How many seme actually realises that what they did was fucked up to the core and basically a crime? How many actually self reflects, apologises and tries to become a better version of themselves?

How many uke actually thinks they were victims of rape and goes through trauma? And this is where even marital rape gets justified.

It's time for something new don't you think?

If Seungho, as you said, actually realizes his crimes and reflects on it, good for him. But it's utterly on Nakyum and solely his decision to either forgive him or not. But before all that, what comes first is for Seungho to realize his wrongdoings and beg for forgiveness. If Nakyum forgives him and wants to be with him, then I've got nothing to say. If he doesn't forgive Seungho, it's upto him too. What I have a distaste toward is them falling in love when the other party has neither felt guilty nor reflected on their actions.And I wish for a change in that trope. Only a wish tho. And I have a thing for victims to grow strong and fighting.

But for the time being, it's impossible for me too see them in the romance light, tbh far away from it. And considering the age of time the story's talking place, also Seungho's family background and the way he's used to living and the power he has in his hand, I thought it might be a possibility that it'd be too late for him to realize what he did was wrong and Nakyum would be no more. It's just a prediction among hundreds the story could turn out to.

I'm sorry but I'd rather have tragedies over blindly shipping them. At this point, I'm on Nakyum's side through and through. I can hope for Seungho's development, but not support his actions neither feel less disgust toward him, until he actually changes.

And I'm sorry I didn't mean to give you moral lessons and teach you what life is.

I mean that about ended itself
I’d like to defend the yaoi victim/abuser troupe but whenever it’s not used well it’s not the genre itself but mostly the lack of good writing on the author-senseis. If it bothers you that those stories don’t have the rapist seme apologize but at least gets better, I’d say just try and move on from it. If there is nothing else good enough about the story then drop it. I guess I shouldn’t ask you to ignore the rape more so just to look at it through a poorly written uke’s eyes. It’s like a slap. If the author-sensei/nims aren’t capable of bringing a good enough story with the troupe of the rape, then think about it as if it really just was a slap, something that was minor. (Them blindly being together doesn’t make me all that happy either.)But if you like the art or you like reading all the way through, then don’t focus too much on what the author had shortcomings with, when you finally finish it, then feel more than welcomed to criticize the plot and execution of the troupe. I think the troupe gets a bad rep because it is a heavy kink among younger audiences and olders ones combined. Though it can VERY OFTEN be exploited, there are a lot of great works that detail the mc’s lives and affects after a rape occurring. Really, that’s what a good story is all about anyway.
This might sound a bit naive, but I do enjoy a somewhat happy end as well. Even if it’s kinda slapped together. In the first place, I like reading well written manga/manhwa/hua but I have a stubbornness of wanting to finish anything I read good or bad. While I read it, I try to bear with the messy writing until I finish.
Considering that all of this is fiction, it’s honestly best not to try and apply realistic standards too much. Yaoi is fundamentally born of, and is a kink, passion, hidden interest, and a sub-culture of thirsty people from time to time. You’re bound to get the full extent of bad writing for good art all the way to good writing for bad art. And ofc anything in between. Like with most things, don’t focus on a literary device (used good or bad) if the work isn’t meant to revolve around it. Even if it is used to revolve around a syou should direct more of your attention to the method applied behind it.
Didn’t mean to rant or anything this time. I’m just sorta dicking around with my fingers lolol
I don’t think either parties are wrong so I don’t think I’m close to being important enough to interject, I’m just sorta commenting on y’all both ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Tho, right or wrong I forced MangaSanctuary into a one-sided friendship with me digitally
so I always am I bit more favoring of them in any debate hehe.

*sigh*

Honestly, at this point I guess we should just enjoy reading it in our own ways. I'll wish for the story to turn out in my own way and keep my fingers crossed. Someone else will do it in their own way too. If it turns out to be a let down, can't be helped. Will be disappointed but that's nothing new lol. And yes I do move on from those. This webtoon has one of the most gorgeous artworks I've ever seen in my life, will give kudos to the author atleast for that ^^

I do me, you do you lol. As simple that. It's pointless fighting over what might happen. No matter what the ending might be among hundreds of predictions, it'll still fall in some reader's favor right? They'd be the lucky ones lol.

Anyways, it was good to share some views and words. See ya!

We were fighting..?

Ah sorry, wrong choice of word lol xD
We weren’t.

Yeah I get your point and dw i don't mind spoilers and I really want NK to being kinda like that but right now he's not that calculative so I'll wait and see how all of this will going and reorganized my ideas ^^

You are not forcing me to be friends at all, Akemi, I'm very pleased to know you, a fellow fan of POTN!

Noo... my long reply was cut...

EXPOSE HIM EXPOSE HIM

Is this the krusty krab?