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probably it's because they are only a story characters that are systematically plotted by the mc? but let's see the progression first as this type of trope in gl is rare.

not don't do Jae in like that

my black ass cant trust her

Yahwi did not rape Jooin. It is up to the drunk person if they were raped ot not. Literally the exact same thing would have happened even if Jooin wasn't drunk. Also a few chapters later Jooin has sex with Yawhi when HE is drunk. Does that mean Jooin is also a rapist????

And don't forget, when Jooin realised they had sex he was upset about the fact Yawhi pretended it didn't happen, not that he was drunk when it happened

I think it's more the fact that he touched someone and had sex with someone who was clearly not in their right mind. And not telling the person after that is even worse. But since Join was okay with it I guess you could say it was consensual. Still touching a person who is so drunk is just not socially seen as a necessary good thing

Mmm... It was? Jooin was so drunk that he couldn't recall a thing the day after, so Yahwi did rape him by taking advantage of him being intoxicated. Yahwi also had the audacity to blame him for not remembering. It was rape and if they continue to have a relationship is because of the plot, not because is not rape anymore. Also... What is up in trying to pin Jooin as he someone who raped Yahwi to save his ass for being called a rapist? It's weird. I'm not part of any team but seeing people trying to justify Yahwi is really concerning.

Yes exactly. This is the point I was trying to make.

I didn't call Jooin a rapist. I was being sarcastic and addressing the double standard some fans seem to have. If Yahwi sleeping with Jooin while he was drunk is "rape" then why is Jooin having sex with Yahwi not considered rape?

save yourself the time and drop it now then

Couldn't care less? Jooin was emotionally destroyed when he realizes what happened and he felt used because Yahwi knew and yet he played with him, so Jooin does understands that what Yahwi did was wrong, he goes as far to question him if it was fun to play with him having no recollection on what happened. It was dissapointing how this aspect didn't go further, I don't like how the story never goes back on how Yahwi took advantage of him in that state and continue their """"romance""""".... Tiring excuse? Rape is a tiring excuse to you? Good to know.

Thank you!! If only others seen it like you. They just want any excuse to hate on Yahwi so Cain can be seen as the better option. They always bring up that rape shit, they're like a broken record.

I do agree that it can be problematic, but it is up to the drunken person if they consider it to be rape or not. Jooin had been lasting after Yahwi for ages. He would have absolutely slept with him whether he was drunk or not. The alcohol just gave him Dutch courage

Lusting*

Thank for the support! I was starting to think I was the only one with common sense. To be fair I can see both sides but it is obvious that scene was never supposed to be interpreted as "rape".

You are losing patience with me not agreeing with you and having a rational discussion? How old are you? I don't have to think like that and I'm not okay with a trope even if it's use in other BLs. Your argument is generalization? So basic.

You totally misread that conversation. Jooin was upset because Yahwi pretended it didn't happen NOT because he thought he was raped.

YESSSSS!!! Thank you for speaking the truth

soo are we going to ignore the fact that right after jooin asked him if it was fun to play with him, he also said that he doesn’t care about anything else as long as yahwi’s feelings changed? not trying to defend him for that scene bc it was unnecessary and fucked up, but jooin didn’t broke down just bc of it. it was an accumulation of things: the usb incident, yahwi paying him for sex, never showing any signs of liking him and ofc the fact that it looked like he played with his head the entire time. the story never furthered that plotline bc it was resolved in that episode sure, it was underwhelming, but jooin had never thought about that scene or be grossed out by it nor did he bring it up again. he wasn’t even uncomfortable around yahwi later on so no matter how disappointing it is, it’s already dealt with.

What truth? That I have to be okay with rape because other BLs have it?? That's a fallacy. Read a real book.

I'm agreeing with what they said about how the author never intended that scene to be interpreted as "rape" because it isn't.

I don't ignore it. That just makes the situation worst because after he took advantage of him, Yahwi treated him like a prostitute and broke his heart in the process. It's really absurd how this issue is treated like nothing because the story still romanticize them. The story is dumb for having Jooin still being in love with Yahwi despite this and how he also forced him to have sex with him after he saw Jooin going out with Cain, but now we have to be okay with it since we have Yahwi pulling up a 180° change of attitude like he didn't fuck him until he passed out a few hours ago. I don't see anything romantic in their relationship.

If that makes you happy, believe in it. "Jooin didn't get rape even tho he did not remember himself consenting having sexual intercouse with Yahwi nor any action they did in the process because it was probaly not the author's intention" Okay

Stop deluding yourself. The fact of the matter is Jooin did not consider it rape at any time. He was lusting after Yawhi for ages. He wanted to sleep with him. Therefore not rape. And again, why is that considered "rape" but Jooin sleeping with Yahwi while he was drunk is not

okay? and no one is forcing you to like their relationship or think that it’s healthy. you don’t have to be okay with it lmao. i was telling you that jooin never dwelt on having drunk sex with yahwi nor did he think of it as a defining of their relationship. if it’s normal or not ain’t my business since i have no say in the way a writer plots their story.

“forced him to have sex” fam, jooin was okay with it after yahwi promised he’d change things this time around. the next morning he didn’t give a crap anymore and they got along really well after that, so i’m pretty sure he didn’t have a problem with it but whatever. interpreting things is fine, but it literally goes against the way the main character felt and you can’t really change how he reacts to things since you know... this isn’t your story. if you don’t agree with how things are and think the story’s “dumb” then simply don’t read it since you cannot enjoy it.

and what change are you talking about? yahwi’s been shitty until the end he literally admitted that he only told jooin he likes him bc that’s what he wanted to hear, not to mention the other shit he’d said. no one’s asking you to be okay with it, that’s something you decided to say on your own lol

Am I the one delirious? Lord, help me. Then, what are you? You're the one looking for anything to tell me it's not rape. You can literally search on google right now whether having sex while intoxicated and not remembering anything is rape or not. Do it. I dare you and then come back here to tell me one more time that I'm wrong. What the hell does it have to do with Jooin being sexually attracted to Yahwi when he didn't consent to him having sex that night?

Also, I lost track of the replies and I just saw that this is the second time you've asked me this and I'm so done with this conversation that I'm going to do it quickly.

>> Intoxicated to the point that he is not himself and thinks he is dreaming + Not aware of himself (without real consent) + No memory of what happened = Rape

>> Tipsy + Able to say what he wants and what he does not + He is the one who pushes Jooin to have sex and Jooin accepts it = Not rape

Dude then drop it cause surely jooin is gonna end up with yahwi there the main characters here plus your not even paying the chapters so why you gonna be pressed?

Yeah, yeah I get it. But it's more about the moral. What if he hadn't been fine with it? I mean clearly he was interested but that gave him still no right to touch him while he was black out drunk? He didn't know 100% if he were fine with it at the end because there wasn't any consent giving. My problem was more that he actually tried doing that to someone before knowing they would have been okay with it. If it's rape or not that you can see for yourself however you want.

That's like saying people who are drunk can't ever have sex without it being "rape". That's just riduclous. I do think should never have sex with someone who is drunk as it's a huge risk, but it's totally up to the drunk person whether they considered it rape. You can't tell someone they were raped when they don't believe they were. And Jooin never considered it as such, which is why it was never addressed. So please let's move on.

It was rape because Jooin could not consent to having sex with Yahwi and Yahwi knew Jooin was drunk. Not only was Jooin drunk he was asleep. Later on in the story Jooin confronts Yahwi about this and Yahwi blames Jooin for not remembering and saying he should have saw it coming. Even if it isn’t considered r*pe (I think it is) it was still very fucked up of Yahwi.

*Correction* Jooin was not sleep just drunk.

EXACTLY

He thought he was freaking dreaming. That enough should tell how much out of himself he was.

they’re* lol and i’m not pressed but clearly u are since u took the time to respond to my comment

omg louder pls !! he literally took advantage of him while he was intoxicated, they’re defending r@pe omg bye

u niggas are actually weird for defending rape pls get a job,, if u read it carefully jooin also questioned him about it if it happened or not,, clearly meaning he didn’t consent to anything. pls touch grass

so ur excusing yawhi for raping jooin bc of the one time jooin had an attraction to him?? that’s like me saying a person can rape his lover bc they’re attracted to each other. it makes no sense omg pls go outside

It was rape because Jooin was OBVIOUSLY intoxicated and Yahwi knew that. Jooin said multiple times that the “DREAM” felt so real and Yahwi continued anyway. When Jooin woke up he thought it was a dream and it wasnt. When he finally asked Yahwi he was extremely upset to the point he was tearing up. So tell me of Jooin sounded happy about that, if you want ill give you the chapters where he says that :)

Read the past comments. This was already addressed. He was upset about a combination of things but "rape" was never one of those.

ur so embarrassing defending rape like this. yawhi isn’t going to fuck you what zero bitches does to a mf

If youre going to to continue defending Yahwi even tho what he did was obviously wrong i dont wanna have the conversation. Its weird you guys are trying to defend unconstitutional sex, but hey what do I know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also, youre saying “Jooin was mad that Yahwi didn’t tell him” Like.. OKAYYY? Thats even worse he slept with Jooin and didn’t tell him anything thats not ok. Thats absolutely fucked up. And like i said even if it isn’t rape its a messed up thing to do to someone.

The way yall are defending Yahwi after having unconstitutional sex with Jooin is ridiculous. If Cain did that y’all would be up his ass. but because its Yahwi you’re trying to defend him. Absolutely ridiculous. Some of the stuff ive seen people saying is disgusting. Stupid shit like “Jooin was attracted to Yahwi so it wasnt unconstitutional” and that they would have done it anyway. It would have been normal if Jooin wasnt drunk. Yahwi took advantage of the situation and thats the truth even if you try to deny it because you like him. Stop being stubborn and accept the fact that what Yahwi did was wrong. And even if Jooin was mad at Yahwi for not telling him it doesn’t make it any better you sound fucking stupid.

not the rape apologist talking

if anything u need a life and a job at mcdonald’s

and THATS how u clear a bitch!! don’t waste ur energy on them queen

when he called her out he just was just taking her to the bullies cuz they ordered him to so they could hit on her...