rereading this again and the 2nd experience of this manga still brought about the same fluttery, heartwrenching feelings i felt and made me tear up like the first time i stumbled across this. the art style is just so pretty and distinct, and i love the atmosphere that was painted by the tenma and uno's voices - love love LOVE being in tenma's headspace and just viewing his perspective on love and tagging along on his roller coaster ride of falling in love with uno, getting to know him, and having that love and effort be reciprocated in the end by uno himself likeeee i just LOVE tenma's voice as a character guys :") his relationship with his parents brings me so much joy and he is such a distinctive and mature character - his narration feels so compelling to me because he feels so grounded as a character, he's written really well and so all his lil quirks and just his views abt love and his experiences makes him a relatable character that you want to root for. also he is constantly #drippedtfout, brings me back to the good ol days of late 90's - early 00's era shojosei where the characters wld actually be fashionable and have distinct fashion styles (miss seeing actual fashion subcultures i.e. lolita, goth, punk, gyaru, etc. depicted in my manga :"( ).
anyways who the fuck do i have to kill to see this made into a movie like the manga is just so atmospheric and cinematic PLEASEEE I NEED TO SEE THIS ON THE BIG SCREEN
read through all the chapters out rn with tears in my eyes god i love old women yuri.... yuri rly does change the world .
decided to pick this back up again after a long time and catch up/binge the chapters i havent read yet and when i was going through chapter 35 i started dry heaving in my room like this shit is so serious to me UN BREAK UP YOUR SITUATIONSHIP RIGHT NOW WHAT THE FREAKKKKK (me begging for this and ignoring the fact that this happened decades prior to the actual story/manhua even starting)
So random but tysm omg i was finding this one and only found it bc of ur comment lmfaoo bless u
jekxkekdke HAPPY TO HELP A FELLOW HIMEJOSHI OUT
like i said all you freak ass bitches hating on mi-ok will go to hell like ronald reagan WILL be seeing your asses.
The wheeeezzeee i whuzzeedd
freak as shit misogynistic bl readers be normal about somewhat dislikeable female characters for once in your life.
like yeah the whole spreading his info around on random weird dating sites is definitely Unsafe and a bad thing to do all around but so far throughout this webtoon it's been a pattern that none of the prominent side-characters here have been shown to have done stuff with malicious intent - even the old grandpa leaving literal bloodied pieces of chicken on ho's front step wasn't framed to be a bad guy/antagonistic by the narrative even though he literally ABANDONED his daughter and was one of the few people ho really got mad at.
like clearly we're just slowly treading into this character's plot line so how about reigning in the misogyny, stop hurling around the word bitch and using it like a 4chanpilled incel for this barely adult female character, and putting your trust in the author to see what they have in store for us and what this character's deal is like...
like she was one of the few people who recognized from the jump that ho's baby is a girl so if you were smart and had any media literacy at all you could clearly clock that she was meant to be a sympathetic character, esp since i see some of you catching on that she has a rigid, indoctrinated view of what happiness in a relationship is supposed to look like which means that the narrative is pointedly showing us, the audience, that this is a flawed mindset she's struggling with.
and if we wanna talk abt morals n ethics or whatever then technically all your pitchforks should be pointed at ho and he should be public enemy number one cause he's literally an EX AMERICAN SOLDIER likeeee. he wasn't even forcibly conscripted TO the american military? he's also KOREAN and didnt grow up american? this KOREAN man was out there in "foreign" soil spilling blood for a country that isn't even his likeee idk i dont think you rly have any high ground to stand on when it comes to the "morality" or "ethics" of a character if you can uncritically consume n support ho as a character as well *shrug emoji*
anyway idc if the poison of internalized misogyny is too strong and the fight is fruitless in the end anw but i will always bat for the female characters esp if they've been given the unfair hand of being put in a bl webtoon/manga and is antagonistic/unlikeable
oh and also a big fuck yall too for insulting her grandma for whatever reason and demanding that she just go back to being her caretaker/watching over her cause it's giving very big "women should just cook and clean and stay in the kitchen and not be their own ppl" energy to me like. some of yall need to be put through the eldest daughter of a broken household experience b4 even thinking of fixing your mouth abt her circumstances
I think you have a wrong perspective here. I think you have little information about culture and the history of Korea.
The grandpa from season 1 had a reason and it was more common than you think. A lot of Asian countries did this to survive, they rather have their children adopted than staying else they'll suffer from extreme poverty and famine.
Ho is not a "traitor" he is a member of KATUSA (The Korean Augmentation to the United States Army). In this program, soldiers in the South Korean Army are given posts in U.S. Army bases that are located in several places in South Korea. KATUSA soldiers are under the command of both the South Korean Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Defense. Sometimes they also have to leave Korea to train in US or other countries.
You literally reading this illegally from illegal website, can't wait when you condemned yourself~
1. yes i did catch that the grandpa did it for "the greater good" and it's a very sympathetic reason however that doesn't mean that it's solely a "good" action, which the narrative also acknowledged. hence, why Ho was mad at the grandpa - like yes it can both be true that the grandpa gave up his daughter so she can escape living a life of poverty and famine and that this act of giving their child up for adoption is essentially seen as abandonment for these children and can have long term psychological effects on them, esp for the children who don't even end up escaping the foster system or end up in good homes.
2. yes i am also aware of the katusa program and of us-south korean relations however if i recall ho stayed in the military even after his mandatory enlistment period ended? it's been a bit since ive reread season 1 so ive forgotten abt the specifics of his time in the military BUT that whole paragraph was specifically because i remembered that abt ho - i am aware that korean men do have mandatory enlistment and that the korean military have the katusa program/essentially a partnership with the us military.
you are so fucking dumb and illiterate, reading comprehension rock bottom in the GUTTERS cuz like point to me where did i condemn myself? where in the above comment did i mention anything abt me having the high moral ground or better ethics like... that part was was aimed at the hypocrite misogynists grasping at straws painting her as The Most Evil Bitch alive for being misguided and irresponsible when a literal military veteran is like right there where did i ever position myself as being more moral or wtv the fuck dumbass lmfao like clearly i also dont gaf abt the ethics of piracy or wtv
You start spouting nonsense and calling people dumb is where your opinion doesn't matter. Bye
well on the first one, at least they only resented their parents for abandonment and they have a right to be mad and feel entitled to those feelings however if I channel this to myself and real world experience, I resent my parents for being the one to shoulder thr burden of blame of poverty and famine that I don't have any control of. This is a fic with a slice of life, the portrayal of the event is canon and historically pictured and documented for decades. The abandonment/force adoption for young children including babies isn't new and the conservative culture isn't new. These things takes a lot of mental toll and anguish for each individual but that doesn't mean they can't moved on. The daughter of the grandpa already forgive her parents once she became one. She finally let go the ill feelings she had to be the person she wants to be as a mother.
The second one, is what for his best interest like I said you have a little knowledge how the culture and military works. A soldier without a family often sailed out their country to serve for other bases. Same things happened to Ho, he is an orphan with no roots to locate, he is more suitable soldier to be deployed overseas than soldier who just wants to escape the country.
seriously why I'm even interacting with this thread. You're clearly have no literacy about culture and history. You have a behaviour of a below average high school student. Your comprehension and rational values is at the devastating state. I'm explaining things to you so you have a clear view on the story but you're just doubling down on your uneducated attitude. Bye and hope your reality is much worse than Mr. Kwon.
awww suck the shit outta my ass :( my response to you was civil cuz u werent acting dumb as fuck under my thread but your 2nd & 3rd response is genuinely incomprehensible i would rather get lobotomized three times than be considered educated by a dumb fuck like you LOL. Like let me try to break down your response to my response because I'm getting a headache trying to understand wtf you're garbling about. like you wanna talk to ME and "educate" me because you think my "comprehension and rational values is at the devastating state" (LOL) okay TALK to me because i am going to rebuke your points properly.
1. "if i channel this to myself and my real world experience, i resent my parents for being the one to shoulder thr burden of blame of poverty and famine that I don't have any control of." girl wtf is this in response to,,, what the hell does this even mean like? like... it feels like you're chalking up the abandonment issues orphans face into resenting their parents because the parents are "shouldering the burden of blame of poverty and famine" that these children don't have any control of which is errr no? Like first of all they would feel resentment because they've been given up for adoption which they would, understandably, view it as them being abandoned and unwanted - like i dont think these orphan children would understand jack shit about shouldering the burden of poverty or famine? they may grow to understand it growing up but it still won't erase the psychological shadow of perceiving to be abandoned and unwanted by your flesh and blood parents and they are well within their rights to feel what they feel as you said. you can't just trivialize their trauma into them feeling this unjustified resentment for their parents who gave them up for adoption because they were doing it for the greater good!! they were trying to avoid leaving them a legacy of poverty!! like okay being abandoned would still fuck you up? and like i mentioned, it's not like the foster system is good to orphans, it's a flawed system anywhere in the world unless you wanna try and argue that korea has some magically utopian level foster system or welfare system for orphans lol. these parents may very well also be leaving these children to shitty orphanages, abusive families, and all other bad shit in lieu of avoiding poverty and famine. and yeah i Know the daughter forgave the grandpa dumbass i essentially call him a sympathetic character as well, what im saying is that two things can be true at once - he's a sympathetic character (his daughter did forgive him after all) and he did something that isn't all that Good (giving his daughter up for adoption, which MIND YOU you media illiterate fuck, isnt necessarily painted as a strictly good action, BY THE NARRATIVE ITSELF which is what? you guessed it! WRITTEN BY A KOREAN AUTHOR... because Ho got mad at him for it. like if it was this self sacrificial saintly good action you are oh so hard trying to paint this as, we wouldn't have gotten the perspective of Ho getting angry at him because he has, and is, in the daughter's place/position)
2. "The abandonment/force adoption for young children especially babies isn't new and the conservative culture isn't new" yes... i know... idk why you slid this in here thinking that you ate when i know this too, unless you're trying to make the point that "it's always been happening like this so this is okay and we shouldn't try to stop it or fix it or make it better" which... lmfao
3. "These things take a lot of mental toll and anguish for each individual but that doesn't mean they can't moved on" yes.... i know this too? like the narrative also shows the daughter forgiving the grandpa because she ended up in a better life but i dont see how this or what you said contradicted anything i said in my response? like i clearly acknowledged that the grandpa gave his daughter up so she can get a better life which she was able to achieve in the webtoon but it should also be acknowledged that giving your children up for adoption isn't something that's considered an all-good or all-noble action because you're still leaving a psychological wound on the child you gave up AND you have no guarantee that the child will live a better life than you do with how fucked the adoption and foster systems are - you may very well end up with a case of a child who got sent to an abusive family or who never escapes the foster system.
4. "The second one, is what for his best interest like I said you have a little knowledge how the culture and military works" alright and here in this whole paragraph is just you sucking military dick in an attempt to "defend" Ho - from what, idk, considering i do like him as a character and i was merely pointing out how hypocritical it is to slam the girl for doing something oh so morally reprehensible when Ho here is literally ex military and CHOSE? to stay as a soldier for the american military after his enlistment period ended. "It's in his best interest! he was an orphan he has nowhere to go
may be the only intellectual here who appreciated season 3 and That Is Okay because im built different. in fact it pleases me greatly that i think differently from the majority or whatever of the mangago readers because it continues to reinforce that i have critical thinking skills reading comprehension and media literacy <3 i loved how the webtoon ties everything together and the ending. its a very idealistic ending, but a good ending in my eyes nonetheless.
ik the sex-obssessed yaoi fetishizers bitched and moaned because the main couple got a kid and s3 shifted attention away from them but like no shit lmfao having been a part of their journey and looking at their trajectory throughout s1 & s2 like yeah from a story/technical perspective, their arc has ended. their story has been completed, as characters in a story their motives/needs have been fulfilled, they've resolved the main problems/crises in their path as individual characters and the obstacles in the way of their relationship, and they've achieved the goals/aspirations that drove them as characters in the first place.
refocusing the attention back on them for s3 just to drag them back into a half-baked plot to stir up drama/tension in their relationship when, just looking at both their character arcs and them as characters (irt their motives, their issues, their aspirations, etc.) will tell you they've already fulfilled their purpose in the story, wld just result in very awful character assassinations. so uk, im glad s3 chose to put the spotlight on the characters and relationships around the main couple, both new and old, as a way to extend the legacy of the main couple's actions and showcase the impact of what they have achieved. it's makes for great extensive world-building as well and makes the kingdom of goldenleonard, and the world the author has crafted, very lived-in and natural as, though the main couple was the catalyst to the plot of the story, it shows how the world can still continue past the main couple.
like im glad they didnt just rehash storylines and drama ripped off of other stories about fantasy and set in a similar setting for the main couple in s3 because that wld be the equivalent of a beloved series or other piece of media getting, like, an unnecessary sequel/reboot or being turned into a franchise. im glad the author knows when to do the equivalent of stopping and not dragging shit out and turning a great 1-2 season series or standalone film into like a 12-season disaster series that dragged on or making a shit sequel that eventually ruins the reputation of the whole film/franchise wrt the main couple.
also another Unpopular opinion but the scenes/storyline with epsilon in s3 were one of my most favorite ones because i Love seeing the discussion surrounding politics and governments and royalty. like im not gonna go into a spiel abt Why Monarchies are Bad and Why Democracies are (idealistically) Good/Better but its very refreshing to see a webtoon/series set in a fantasy royal/medieval-setting tackle the problems with why these systems of power are Bad fundamentally and structurally and working to reform that system and move past it when usually, esp in the romantasy webtoons with like the isekai villainess bullshit n stuff, if there was ever a Bad royal figure or bad emperor/king/wtv, the fix wld be as shallow as merely replacing them with the quintessential benevolent ruler who can make all the superficial right decisions instead of working to reform that system so that not one person wld have all the power in the land. the move to abolish monarchy n implement a democratic system feels very thematically in-line with the king's maker webtoon and overall also ties in with the main characters', particularly shin's, character aspirations. so yeah overall, loved all the political discussions surrounding what makes a perfect king and whether that wld be achievable and the alternatives for less than ideal kings whenever epsilon is on screen - very engaging n informative. just hope tht the democratic system of voting wld work the way epsilon n wooyeon thought it wld at its most idealistic form throughout its implementation haha... (we live in a society moment)
overall... i just have a lot to say abt this webtoon. like its crazy but i did grow up with it essentially so maybe thats why im rambling djdnekkd im just very attached to this webtoon n im glad that it got a Good and Fitting ending jn my eyes instead of like. crashing n burning djdndjek
I totally agree on a lot of what you just said! I absolutely loved the Epsilon storyline/scenes as well. But that is honestly where my gripe comes in because I wish it had mostly/solely revolved around Epsilon instead of it being bundled together with a bunch of side stories? I kind of didn't care a lot about any of the other side things going on for that reason because I rather kept wanting to rather read a more consistent storyline with Epsilon. I do like the worldbuilding aspect of all the other side things but I just wish they were rather just put as their own side stories after the main story has completed if that makes sense?
oohhh pleasantly surprised to see another Epsilon enjoyer :] i get where ur coming from n i understand because i also rly enjoyed not just the plotline of epsilon's story n her character arc but also just her as a character in general n how she was written! to me she was a very compelling and distinct voice in the narrative n it was also fun seeing the various ways she mirrors/parallels wolfgang not just in terms of personality but also the overall trajectory of her path, and i can see how much more of an enjoyable read it wld be had s3 been more contained and fully explored epsilon as the next main character with a focused plotline.
however, for me personally where i feel we might branch off is that i enjoyed seeing much of the worldbuilding n the more branched off mini stories because to me it felt like i was able to finally see the fruits of shin & wolfgang's longstanding labour from the past 2 seasons come to fruition as they were able to become the rulers theyve always aspired to be n help shape their land into something they've always envisioned - im also someone who personally doesnt mind if the narrative is more plot-driven/less character-driven n i found myself enjoying the whole magic tower master-dragon reveal story, n it surprised me how much i enjoyed it considering i rly was not very fond of the magic tower master because he dangled an entire toddler over a balcony with a fatal drop lmfao.
so yeah there were a lot of things across all the stories in s3 that tide me over that i could still enjoy it overall. still, i see your vision n that definitely wld be a direction for s3 that i wldnt have mind seeing n now that u brought it up, it does make me think that it's a slight shame that we cldnt see epsilon grow into a more fully realized character with an actual arc :")
If the main focus was to shift to Epsilon, wouldn't it be better for it to be a spin-off rather than an extension of the main series itself? You can't blame the fans who wants to see the main characters of the story they fell in love with. I mean, that's what they came in for. It just could've worked better as a spin-off so that it can garner the right audience and not get dog-piled on. (Lord save my girl, Epsilon)
chp 15 sex scene was salaciously erotic and ichii is insanely sexy but ngl seeing the colorized pages of the two mommy vampires wearing lipstick/makeup immediately erased any thoughts of men in my brain. thoughts and prayers that we get a spin-off about the two lesbian vampires made specifically for me pleek
love how much of an absolute freak and douchebag seogyeol is he cracks me tf up like u go lil gremlin man!!! n then seeing how much he contrasts with haejun? actually love how much of a normie haejun is too like it makes it all the more funnier. their dynamic is literally the embodiment of "me (seogyeol) and the bad bitch i pulled (haejun) by being weird" LMFAOOO. also love how they both got their own thing going on n how they feel like their own fully realized characters with their own goals n motivations n shit like WOW decent character writing we cheered!!
talk of gay boys aside i love that we have an actual plot going on here like waurrrr finally a korean bl webtoon that doesnt have shit writing nor pacing off the bat i hope i dont have to eat my words as this webtoon progresses. also juran is the love of my light apple of my eyes... shes so cute... if this webtoon goes to shit she'll be my only saving grace #wefreakingloveyoujuran
Lol.
honestly i think this difference in perception btwn me n the rest of the comments here n why most of the readers seem disappointed by the story is because for me first n foremost this isn't actually like, a love or romance story even though it is BL lol. like yes nacchan n issei's relationship does play a major role in the story but honestly? this story reads more to me like a character study of nacchan, and the relationship - though major - serves more as the background to the foreground of telling nacchan's story, about him in stagnation and struggling against his conflicting desire of wanting better or more for himself in his life versus his fear of essentially stepping out of his comfort zone.
and personally? for what it is, by which i mean reading this as more of a character study or character-focused narrative over a love story or a story About the romance, i think it executed it pretty well *shrug emoji* i personally like how grounded nacchan's source of turmoil/personal conflict is, like it's something that is very very relatable esp for jobseekers and workers in current times i feel lol. hence why his character felt compelling to me ig, ive seen many ppl react the way nacchan did when confronted with their own struggle regarding the misery and mundaneity of their own lives and the fear they have that paralyzes them from putting in the work into pursuing something that'll actually make them happy - and lowkey i've also felt the same envy he felt about issei's life/work from time to time.
Idk overall this feels like a pretty enjoyable more mature story to me, and i think it's cause the actual point of it isn't about the romance or about centering the romance. Like issei & nacchan's relationship does play a huge part in the story but i like how their relationship isn't written for us to consume for the sake of it being a love story/romance that the story is centering on. instead, nacchan & issei's relationship, both in the past and in the present, serves more as a vehicle for the narrative to explore what issei and nacchan's characters are really like. we get to see a lot of interesting tidbits about the both of them as characters through how they navigate this relationship and how stuff like work, their differing lifestyles, etc. factor into that - their relationship felt more like a goldmine of information about them as characters rather than the centrepiece love story.
BUTTT ig tldr if ur looking for the more classic actual romance-focused bl story you're not gonna find that here and you probs wanna pass on this if you, yknow, wanna read a LOVE STORY love story. if you like a more grounded n realistic character driven narrative And you wanna read a bl then all things considered, this one is executed pretty well in that regards imo *shrug emoji*