freak as shit misogynistic bl readers be normal about somewhat dislikeable female characters for once in your life.
like yeah the whole spreading his info around on random weird dating sites is definitely Unsafe and a bad thing to do all around but so far throughout this webtoon it's been a pattern that none of the prominent side-characters here have been shown to have done stuff with malicious intent - even the old grandpa leaving literal bloodied pieces of chicken on ho's front step wasn't framed to be a bad guy/antagonistic by the narrative even though he literally ABANDONED his daughter and was one of the few people ho really got mad at.
like clearly we're just slowly treading into this character's plot line so how about reigning in the misogyny, stop hurling around the word bitch and using it like a 4chanpilled incel for this barely adult female character, and putting your trust in the author to see what they have in store for us and what this character's deal is like...
like she was one of the few people who recognized from the jump that ho's baby is a girl so if you were smart and had any media literacy at all you could clearly clock that she was meant to be a sympathetic character, esp since i see some of you catching on that she has a rigid, indoctrinated view of what happiness in a relationship is supposed to look like which means that the narrative is pointedly showing us, the audience, that this is a flawed mindset she's struggling with.
and if we wanna talk abt morals n ethics or whatever then technically all your pitchforks should be pointed at ho and he should be public enemy number one cause he's literally an EX AMERICAN SOLDIER likeeee. he wasn't even forcibly conscripted TO the american military? he's also KOREAN and didnt grow up american? this KOREAN man was out there in "foreign" soil spilling blood for a country that isn't even his likeee idk i dont think you rly have any high ground to stand on when it comes to the "morality" or "ethics" of a character if you can uncritically consume n support ho as a character as well *shrug emoji*
anyway idc if the poison of internalized misogyny is too strong and the fight is fruitless in the end anw but i will always bat for the female characters esp if they've been given the unfair hand of being put in a bl webtoon/manga and is antagonistic/unlikeable
oh and also a big fuck yall too for insulting her grandma for whatever reason and demanding that she just go back to being her caretaker/watching over her cause it's giving very big "women should just cook and clean and stay in the kitchen and not be their own ppl" energy to me like. some of yall need to be put through the eldest daughter of a broken household experience b4 even thinking of fixing your mouth abt her circumstances
I think you have a wrong perspective here. I think you have little information about culture and the history of Korea.
The grandpa from season 1 had a reason and it was more common than you think. A lot of Asian countries did this to survive, they rather have their children adopted than staying else they'll suffer from extreme poverty and famine.
Ho is not a "traitor" he is a member of KATUSA (The Korean Augmentation to the United States Army). In this program, soldiers in the South Korean Army are given posts in U.S. Army bases that are located in several places in South Korea. KATUSA soldiers are under the command of both the South Korean Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Defense. Sometimes they also have to leave Korea to train in US or other countries.
I think you have a wrong perspective here. I think you have little information about culture and the history of Korea. The grandpa from season 1 had a reason and it was more common than you think. A lot of Asia... Nyx
1. yes i did catch that the grandpa did it for "the greater good" and it's a very sympathetic reason however that doesn't mean that it's solely a "good" action, which the narrative also acknowledged. hence, why Ho was mad at the grandpa - like yes it can both be true that the grandpa gave up his daughter so she can escape living a life of poverty and famine and that this act of giving their child up for adoption is essentially seen as abandonment for these children and can have long term psychological effects on them, esp for the children who don't even end up escaping the foster system or end up in good homes.
2. yes i am also aware of the katusa program and of us-south korean relations however if i recall ho stayed in the military even after his mandatory enlistment period ended? it's been a bit since ive reread season 1 so ive forgotten abt the specifics of his time in the military BUT that whole paragraph was specifically because i remembered that abt ho - i am aware that korean men do have mandatory enlistment and that the korean military have the katusa program/essentially a partnership with the us military.
You literally reading this illegally from illegal website, can't wait when you condemned yourself~ krrw
you are so fucking dumb and illiterate, reading comprehension rock bottom in the GUTTERS cuz like point to me where did i condemn myself? where in the above comment did i mention anything abt me having the high moral ground or better ethics like... that part was was aimed at the hypocrite misogynists grasping at straws painting her as The Most Evil Bitch alive for being misguided and irresponsible when a literal military veteran is like right there where did i ever position myself as being more moral or wtv the fuck dumbass lmfao like clearly i also dont gaf abt the ethics of piracy or wtv
you are so fucking dumb and illiterate, reading comprehension rock bottom in the GUTTERS cuz like point to me where did i condemn myself? where in the above comment did i mention anything abt me having the high... skullcandies
You start spouting nonsense and calling people dumb is where your opinion doesn't matter. Bye
1. yes i did catch that the grandpa did it for "the greater good" and it's a very sympathetic reason however that doesn't mean that it's solely a "good" action, which the narrative also acknowledged. hence, why... skullcandies
well on the first one, at least they only resented their parents for abandonment and they have a right to be mad and feel entitled to those feelings however if I channel this to myself and real world experience, I resent my parents for being the one to shoulder thr burden of blame of poverty and famine that I don't have any control of. This is a fic with a slice of life, the portrayal of the event is canon and historically pictured and documented for decades. The abandonment/force adoption for young children including babies isn't new and the conservative culture isn't new. These things takes a lot of mental toll and anguish for each individual but that doesn't mean they can't moved on. The daughter of the grandpa already forgive her parents once she became one. She finally let go the ill feelings she had to be the person she wants to be as a mother.
The second one, is what for his best interest like I said you have a little knowledge how the culture and military works. A soldier without a family often sailed out their country to serve for other bases. Same things happened to Ho, he is an orphan with no roots to locate, he is more suitable soldier to be deployed overseas than soldier who just wants to escape the country.
seriously why I'm even interacting with this thread. You're clearly have no literacy about culture and history. You have a behaviour of a below average high school student. Your comprehension and rational values is at the devastating state. I'm explaining things to you so you have a clear view on the story but you're just doubling down on your uneducated attitude. Bye and hope your reality is much worse than Mr. Kwon.
seriously why I'm even interacting with this thread. You're clearly have no literacy about culture and history. You have a behaviour of a below average high school student. Your comprehension and rational value... Nyx
awww suck the shit outta my ass :( my response to you was civil cuz u werent acting dumb as fuck under my thread but your 2nd & 3rd response is genuinely incomprehensible i would rather get lobotomized three times than be considered educated by a dumb fuck like you LOL. Like let me try to break down your response to my response because I'm getting a headache trying to understand wtf you're garbling about. like you wanna talk to ME and "educate" me because you think my "comprehension and rational values is at the devastating state" (LOL) okay TALK to me because i am going to rebuke your points properly.
1. "if i channel this to myself and my real world experience, i resent my parents for being the one to shoulder thr burden of blame of poverty and famine that I don't have any control of." girl wtf is this in response to,,, what the hell does this even mean like? like... it feels like you're chalking up the abandonment issues orphans face into resenting their parents because the parents are "shouldering the burden of blame of poverty and famine" that these children don't have any control of which is errr no? Like first of all they would feel resentment because they've been given up for adoption which they would, understandably, view it as them being abandoned and unwanted - like i dont think these orphan children would understand jack shit about shouldering the burden of poverty or famine? they may grow to understand it growing up but it still won't erase the psychological shadow of perceiving to be abandoned and unwanted by your flesh and blood parents and they are well within their rights to feel what they feel as you said. you can't just trivialize their trauma into them feeling this unjustified resentment for their parents who gave them up for adoption because they were doing it for the greater good!! they were trying to avoid leaving them a legacy of poverty!! like okay being abandoned would still fuck you up? and like i mentioned, it's not like the foster system is good to orphans, it's a flawed system anywhere in the world unless you wanna try and argue that korea has some magically utopian level foster system or welfare system for orphans lol. these parents may very well also be leaving these children to shitty orphanages, abusive families, and all other bad shit in lieu of avoiding poverty and famine. and yeah i Know the daughter forgave the grandpa dumbass i essentially call him a sympathetic character as well, what im saying is that two things can be true at once - he's a sympathetic character (his daughter did forgive him after all) and he did something that isn't all that Good (giving his daughter up for adoption, which MIND YOU you media illiterate fuck, isnt necessarily painted as a strictly good action, BY THE NARRATIVE ITSELF which is what? you guessed it! WRITTEN BY A KOREAN AUTHOR... because Ho got mad at him for it. like if it was this self sacrificial saintly good action you are oh so hard trying to paint this as, we wouldn't have gotten the perspective of Ho getting angry at him because he has, and is, in the daughter's place/position)
2. "The abandonment/force adoption for young children especially babies isn't new and the conservative culture isn't new" yes... i know... idk why you slid this in here thinking that you ate when i know this too, unless you're trying to make the point that "it's always been happening like this so this is okay and we shouldn't try to stop it or fix it or make it better" which... lmfao
3. "These things take a lot of mental toll and anguish for each individual but that doesn't mean they can't moved on" yes.... i know this too? like the narrative also shows the daughter forgiving the grandpa because she ended up in a better life but i dont see how this or what you said contradicted anything i said in my response? like i clearly acknowledged that the grandpa gave his daughter up so she can get a better life which she was able to achieve in the webtoon but it should also be acknowledged that giving your children up for adoption isn't something that's considered an all-good or all-noble action because you're still leaving a psychological wound on the child you gave up AND you have no guarantee that the child will live a better life than you do with how fucked the adoption and foster systems are - you may very well end up with a case of a child who got sent to an abusive family or who never escapes the foster system.
4. "The second one, is what for his best interest like I said you have a little knowledge how the culture and military works" alright and here in this whole paragraph is just you sucking military dick in an attempt to "defend" Ho - from what, idk, considering i do like him as a character and i was merely pointing out how hypocritical it is to slam the girl for doing something oh so morally reprehensible when Ho here is literally ex military and CHOSE? to stay as a soldier for the american military after his enlistment period ended. "It's in his best interest! he was an orphan he has nowhere to go
will be preoccupied with terrorizing everybody here and being a menace whenever i need an outlet and/or A Laugh until they can finally make therapy a part of free healthcare
freak as shit misogynistic bl readers be normal about somewhat dislikeable female characters for once in your life.
like yeah the whole spreading his info around on random weird dating sites is definitely Unsafe and a bad thing to do all around but so far throughout this webtoon it's been a pattern that none of the prominent side-characters here have been shown to have done stuff with malicious intent - even the old grandpa leaving literal bloodied pieces of chicken on ho's front step wasn't framed to be a bad guy/antagonistic by the narrative even though he literally ABANDONED his daughter and was one of the few people ho really got mad at.
like clearly we're just slowly treading into this character's plot line so how about reigning in the misogyny, stop hurling around the word bitch and using it like a 4chanpilled incel for this barely adult female character, and putting your trust in the author to see what they have in store for us and what this character's deal is like...
like she was one of the few people who recognized from the jump that ho's baby is a girl so if you were smart and had any media literacy at all you could clearly clock that she was meant to be a sympathetic character, esp since i see some of you catching on that she has a rigid, indoctrinated view of what happiness in a relationship is supposed to look like which means that the narrative is pointedly showing us, the audience, that this is a flawed mindset she's struggling with.
and if we wanna talk abt morals n ethics or whatever then technically all your pitchforks should be pointed at ho and he should be public enemy number one cause he's literally an EX AMERICAN SOLDIER likeeee. he wasn't even forcibly conscripted TO the american military? he's also KOREAN and didnt grow up american? this KOREAN man was out there in "foreign" soil spilling blood for a country that isn't even his likeee idk i dont think you rly have any high ground to stand on when it comes to the "morality" or "ethics" of a character if you can uncritically consume n support ho as a character as well *shrug emoji*
anyway idc if the poison of internalized misogyny is too strong and the fight is fruitless in the end anw but i will always bat for the female characters esp if they've been given the unfair hand of being put in a bl webtoon/manga and is antagonistic/unlikeable
oh and also a big fuck yall too for insulting her grandma for whatever reason and demanding that she just go back to being her caretaker/watching over her cause it's giving very big "women should just cook and clean and stay in the kitchen and not be their own ppl" energy to me like. some of yall need to be put through the eldest daughter of a broken household experience b4 even thinking of fixing your mouth abt her circumstances
I think you have a wrong perspective here. I think you have little information about culture and the history of Korea.
The grandpa from season 1 had a reason and it was more common than you think. A lot of Asian countries did this to survive, they rather have their children adopted than staying else they'll suffer from extreme poverty and famine.
Ho is not a "traitor" he is a member of KATUSA (The Korean Augmentation to the United States Army). In this program, soldiers in the South Korean Army are given posts in U.S. Army bases that are located in several places in South Korea. KATUSA soldiers are under the command of both the South Korean Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Defense. Sometimes they also have to leave Korea to train in US or other countries.
You literally reading this illegally from illegal website, can't wait when you condemned yourself~
1. yes i did catch that the grandpa did it for "the greater good" and it's a very sympathetic reason however that doesn't mean that it's solely a "good" action, which the narrative also acknowledged. hence, why Ho was mad at the grandpa - like yes it can both be true that the grandpa gave up his daughter so she can escape living a life of poverty and famine and that this act of giving their child up for adoption is essentially seen as abandonment for these children and can have long term psychological effects on them, esp for the children who don't even end up escaping the foster system or end up in good homes.
2. yes i am also aware of the katusa program and of us-south korean relations however if i recall ho stayed in the military even after his mandatory enlistment period ended? it's been a bit since ive reread season 1 so ive forgotten abt the specifics of his time in the military BUT that whole paragraph was specifically because i remembered that abt ho - i am aware that korean men do have mandatory enlistment and that the korean military have the katusa program/essentially a partnership with the us military.
you are so fucking dumb and illiterate, reading comprehension rock bottom in the GUTTERS cuz like point to me where did i condemn myself? where in the above comment did i mention anything abt me having the high moral ground or better ethics like... that part was was aimed at the hypocrite misogynists grasping at straws painting her as The Most Evil Bitch alive for being misguided and irresponsible when a literal military veteran is like right there where did i ever position myself as being more moral or wtv the fuck dumbass lmfao like clearly i also dont gaf abt the ethics of piracy or wtv
You start spouting nonsense and calling people dumb is where your opinion doesn't matter. Bye
well on the first one, at least they only resented their parents for abandonment and they have a right to be mad and feel entitled to those feelings however if I channel this to myself and real world experience, I resent my parents for being the one to shoulder thr burden of blame of poverty and famine that I don't have any control of. This is a fic with a slice of life, the portrayal of the event is canon and historically pictured and documented for decades. The abandonment/force adoption for young children including babies isn't new and the conservative culture isn't new. These things takes a lot of mental toll and anguish for each individual but that doesn't mean they can't moved on. The daughter of the grandpa already forgive her parents once she became one. She finally let go the ill feelings she had to be the person she wants to be as a mother.
The second one, is what for his best interest like I said you have a little knowledge how the culture and military works. A soldier without a family often sailed out their country to serve for other bases. Same things happened to Ho, he is an orphan with no roots to locate, he is more suitable soldier to be deployed overseas than soldier who just wants to escape the country.
seriously why I'm even interacting with this thread. You're clearly have no literacy about culture and history. You have a behaviour of a below average high school student. Your comprehension and rational values is at the devastating state. I'm explaining things to you so you have a clear view on the story but you're just doubling down on your uneducated attitude. Bye and hope your reality is much worse than Mr. Kwon.
awww suck the shit outta my ass :( my response to you was civil cuz u werent acting dumb as fuck under my thread but your 2nd & 3rd response is genuinely incomprehensible i would rather get lobotomized three times than be considered educated by a dumb fuck like you LOL. Like let me try to break down your response to my response because I'm getting a headache trying to understand wtf you're garbling about. like you wanna talk to ME and "educate" me because you think my "comprehension and rational values is at the devastating state" (LOL) okay TALK to me because i am going to rebuke your points properly.
1. "if i channel this to myself and my real world experience, i resent my parents for being the one to shoulder thr burden of blame of poverty and famine that I don't have any control of." girl wtf is this in response to,,, what the hell does this even mean like? like... it feels like you're chalking up the abandonment issues orphans face into resenting their parents because the parents are "shouldering the burden of blame of poverty and famine" that these children don't have any control of which is errr no? Like first of all they would feel resentment because they've been given up for adoption which they would, understandably, view it as them being abandoned and unwanted - like i dont think these orphan children would understand jack shit about shouldering the burden of poverty or famine? they may grow to understand it growing up but it still won't erase the psychological shadow of perceiving to be abandoned and unwanted by your flesh and blood parents and they are well within their rights to feel what they feel as you said. you can't just trivialize their trauma into them feeling this unjustified resentment for their parents who gave them up for adoption because they were doing it for the greater good!! they were trying to avoid leaving them a legacy of poverty!! like okay being abandoned would still fuck you up? and like i mentioned, it's not like the foster system is good to orphans, it's a flawed system anywhere in the world unless you wanna try and argue that korea has some magically utopian level foster system or welfare system for orphans lol. these parents may very well also be leaving these children to shitty orphanages, abusive families, and all other bad shit in lieu of avoiding poverty and famine. and yeah i Know the daughter forgave the grandpa dumbass i essentially call him a sympathetic character as well, what im saying is that two things can be true at once - he's a sympathetic character (his daughter did forgive him after all) and he did something that isn't all that Good (giving his daughter up for adoption, which MIND YOU you media illiterate fuck, isnt necessarily painted as a strictly good action, BY THE NARRATIVE ITSELF which is what? you guessed it! WRITTEN BY A KOREAN AUTHOR... because Ho got mad at him for it. like if it was this self sacrificial saintly good action you are oh so hard trying to paint this as, we wouldn't have gotten the perspective of Ho getting angry at him because he has, and is, in the daughter's place/position)
2. "The abandonment/force adoption for young children especially babies isn't new and the conservative culture isn't new" yes... i know... idk why you slid this in here thinking that you ate when i know this too, unless you're trying to make the point that "it's always been happening like this so this is okay and we shouldn't try to stop it or fix it or make it better" which... lmfao
3. "These things take a lot of mental toll and anguish for each individual but that doesn't mean they can't moved on" yes.... i know this too? like the narrative also shows the daughter forgiving the grandpa because she ended up in a better life but i dont see how this or what you said contradicted anything i said in my response? like i clearly acknowledged that the grandpa gave his daughter up so she can get a better life which she was able to achieve in the webtoon but it should also be acknowledged that giving your children up for adoption isn't something that's considered an all-good or all-noble action because you're still leaving a psychological wound on the child you gave up AND you have no guarantee that the child will live a better life than you do with how fucked the adoption and foster systems are - you may very well end up with a case of a child who got sent to an abusive family or who never escapes the foster system.
4. "The second one, is what for his best interest like I said you have a little knowledge how the culture and military works" alright and here in this whole paragraph is just you sucking military dick in an attempt to "defend" Ho - from what, idk, considering i do like him as a character and i was merely pointing out how hypocritical it is to slam the girl for doing something oh so morally reprehensible when Ho here is literally ex military and CHOSE? to stay as a soldier for the american military after his enlistment period ended. "It's in his best interest! he was an orphan he has nowhere to go