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Could u send a link?

Were did you read Raws and links

There’s only 2 chapters left and I cried
https://newtoki73.com/bbs//board.php?bo_table=webtoon&wr_id=229

NOW THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!! Ughhh I’m so glad someone gets it!

Yasss yo and its so hard to find yaoi that isnt like this, just becuase people find it exceptable

I think you're nuts, turtletwat. I like rape in yaoi. Yaoi isn't based on gay men. that's stupid. I don't need this stuff to get off so how is it a fetish? hmm? Just answer the question, MeTootard

lol sorry. I thought I was commenting on turtle's home page. How'd I even get here? lmao.

There’s nothing wrong with liking rape in yaoi, the problem arrives when the rape is romanticized. A good example of rape done well is Harada’s works. Her works clearly illustrate that rape is wrong and damaging and that the characters are greatly affected by it. Fetishization can also mean unhealthy obsession. Which many (mainly straight cis girls) exhibit. Please do some research into the harm your ideas may cause.

Also how is yaoi not based off of gay men? what is it based off of them? i’m genuinely confused about that statement.

get the hell out of MY FACE That crap where you have to show "the wages of sin" went out with the 50's. Artists can write and draw whatever they choose to express with their art. They don't need to "handle it properly" or any conservative bs by your standards. The very idea sickens me. Harada? LOL harada is NOT a good example to make your point. He expresses whatever he wants in his work. Have you read ALL of Harada's work? Harada shows all kinds of ways sexual situations play out. It's not always like "you were a bad person! Now you're gonna get a spanking!" LOL You're no more sophisticated than to be thinking that way? Will you grow the hell up already? This is not a playground for you to teach your little lessons to us kids. I'm an adult so buzz off with that high-blown morality shit. jesus!

If you develop unhealthy obsessions it's on you, not the artist, but it doesn't matter how "fetishized" or "romaniticized" or whatever stupid label you try to stick on an artist's work, no one reads yaoi stories and decides to rush out the door with their dick in their hands. The reasons people rape are a lot more complex and violent than reading some yaoi and deciding "golly gee. rape must be okey dokey." LOL

It's not up to artists to set a good example for society to follow. That's not what artists do, and you don't get a say in how they express themselves. You people need to stop thinking you have some kind of right to push artists around and lean on them to present things in your narrow view of what's proper and righteous. god. snide, self-righteous people like you .....

i don’t think you get the point i’m trying to make and there’s no use in arguing with a brick wall. As an artist myself we have a responsibility to the things we produce and if these works produce real world harm, backlash in the form of condemnation is well within reasonable. But go ahead, continue spitting your dumbass takes. Haradas work is a perfect example because everyone who reads it is like oh shit this is fucked up, as they should. She presents situations as they should be presented. But stay bricked brain smoothbrain ig ╮(￣▽￣)╭

why do I have to explain this to you after the snotty way you spoke to me? BL, yaoi... is written by women for women for the most part. Are those women out running all the hell over Manhattan trying to sniff in some gay male vapors for inspiration, hanging on gay men's every word? hell no. Yaoi authors might be women, but every woman has a man inside, and authors reach down inside to create male characters and stories that come from deep inside themselves. No more than mr spock is based on little green aliens is yaoi based on gay men. The characters belong to the authors, the female fans (and some asshole men like me) and to the genre itself, no one else.
Tell that to the next ego-maniac lgbtxwhatever who whines that you're fetishizing them

yaoi is written by people for other people and yes the majority of people who read and write it are female but what does that mean to anything? that we shouldn’t try to respectfully portray the romance between gay men. this shit has real life effects on the way people view gay men and even the way it shapes their own views on romance. Normalization of abuse in the media you can consume can normalize it in your own brain which is also a problem in other media. Also artist don’t get a free pass from backlash just because they’re creating something from passion. They’re not some type of people above the rest of us and they need to be held accountable for their actions. Accurate and responsible portrayal should be the standard and just because we see many artists not doing it doesn’t mean it’s right.

Don’t waste your time on that clown. They’re basically a dense wall of bricks. At the end of the day you’re more educated than them. Good job!

AND YOU! CANT YOU JUST STFU FOR FIVE GOD DAMN MINUTES? ARE YOU SLOW??? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING DENSE??? MAYBE IF YOURE GETTING A LOT OF HATE FOR WHAT YOURE SAYING YOU SHOULD RETHINK YOUR DISGUSTING CHOICES LIKE DAMN!

WE GET IT ALRIGHT! YOURE A HORNY PERVERT SO JUST LEAVE!

N O O N E W A N T S Y O U H E R E

Thank you Unfortunately I love arguing so this is very fun for me

I almost puked when you said this: "that we shouldn’t try to respectfully portray the romance between gay men." You're not a gay man, you haven't got a clue what it's like to be a gay man, and when was the last time you saw any of them sticking up for you?

I don't believe you're an artist. You're standing there speaking against freedom of expression. You're no artist. seriously, you go to hell

fascist

You can continue if you want. I’m just so tired and stressed because of my work and I hate seeing that person so funking much. Literally never been this mad at a dumbfuck before.

oh, and that's me, speaking as an artist, standing up for the rights of artists against people like you: fascists. You're wrong

What does me not being a gay man have to do with anything? Just because i’m not part of a group doesn’t mean i can’t argue on a issue that affects them. And it doesn’t just affect them it also affects the readers. Criticism doesn’t impune on free speech. A publisher refusing to publish a yaoi that includes romanticized rape doesn’t impune on free speech. A true artist understands that their works have real life effects on people who consume it therefore they hold responsibility in the things they produce and their actions. I’m sorry that i care about other people

maybe you should go to art school and learn what an artist actually is, because you really don't know, and that's going to stifle you and the artists you try to oppress

I have not once in this conversation advocated for the removal of rights for artists. I called for more criticism of harmful works. is it taking away the rights of artists when we ban child porn because there may be an artist behind the production of it? No because artists are people and people take responsibility for their actions. Of course this is an extreme comparison because i’m not calling for the government to ban romanticized rape in yaoi, just for it to be heavily criticized by people because it’s a bad things. Also you may want to look up what a fascist is cause you are so wrong.

I didn’t think you were actually this dumb wow

Heavy criticism... as if artist's lives aren't hard enough.

You don't think. You just leap into your already prepared arguments and rhetoric. Maybe if you stopped and thought about something someone says to you once in a while, you'd have better and better arguments.
Artists must have freedom. If you put a ceiling on what they can do, you end up with the collective communist art or the art under Mao. Your arguments would also benefit from a little more hiistory would benefit you. How old are you? I'm not asking to set up more defensiveness from you. god knows. I'm just curious

Maybe you should criticize people, governments. Artists don't deserve you rallying against them.

I don’t know what you don’t get about just because they’re artist doesn’t mean they get a free pass from criticism. And while you are attack my arguments you have made not one argument or actually responded to my arguments just pivoting. Artist in Japan have freedom. No one is calling for that freedom to be taken away. What we are calling for is for people to recognize that some of the work that artists produce is harmful to the readers and the people they’re representing in their stories. It is within my free speech to criticize these authors. They are not some children who are unable to recognize when harm is done and they probably know that these tropes are damaging. Stop coddling them. They are full grown adults who need to take responsibility for their actions.

You say this: "artists produce is harmful to the readers and the people they’re representing in their stories."
This calls for restrictions whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You're not an artist but the enemy of artists. The battle cry against artists you're trying to raise has already been fought through history. This period we live in is a brief respite from the people like you - or the "we" you now say you're part of - who are trying to destroy what we do by eroding our freedom. Your super ultra conservative approach honestly offends the fuck out of me.
Again, You don't think. You just leap into your already prepared arguments and rhetoric.

I’m calling for more people to recognize the harm and for people to CRITICIZE them so maybe us readers can get better stories. No one is hurting the creators rights when if they release a badly done story no one reads it. That’s all on them. and it can help produce better and innovative stories. No one is trying to erode anyone’s freedoms. Criticism does not erode your freedom. Instead what it does is to encourage artist to make better stories and artwork. Is it eroding a director’s freedoms when they make a bad movie and people criticize it? No. So why is it any different for people who write bad manga?

better stories by what puritanical people like you who want, the kind with some kind of heavy moral message.(yuk) It's what YOU want to read. not me. Your brand of preachery is not erotic to me, not enjoyable, not fun, not even of any social value because it's not going to be done by any real artists who are free to express themselves.

Anyway, please describe in detail the "harm" you're referring to.

pressure, criticize, lean on, push artists. an ugly goal.
... I like rape in fantasy, the more romantic the better, so there are millions of people who don't want your methods inflicted on artists. I'm happy and grateful to these artists. I don't have that much criticism that I'd want them to change what they do. I like their individual expression to come through. I don't want them to work according to "fan pressure." Fans - like you - have terrible taste, and their way of getting what they want is ugly.

I really wish you’d stop making prescriptive statements about me that are untrue. I’ve decided to give up on this argument because you’re literally a brick wall who refuses to make an actual argument or properly dispute any of mine. Continue living your life like the block head you are but i hope you can do some personal growth. I am literally the last person you’d describe like that. I love fucked up manga with rape in it but the most important thing is making sure the reader knows that what’s happening is fucked up. Please open up a book about anything cause you are an actual idiot. Good bye :)

you want your thirst for violence quenched. Your idea of "presented the right way" is showing injury, mental pain, trauma. You just want to see a lot of pain and suffering. Well I read yaoi for pleasure, and I don't want to read the kind of depressing stories harada writes. He also writes high quality, well-drawn, funny or interesting stories. I like that side of Harada, not the torture kind that you're so keen on.
Here's the news, harada writes that depressing shit because he finds it erotic, not because he's on a moral mission.

Thanks for that I was getting really anxious

*i meant to put in for chapter 44. Bad stuff does happen next chapter but the chapter after that he is saved