I just don't get the hate for the FL, she is literally not doing anything too different from other FL in similar stories. Literally her whole motivation was to be happy after figuring out she was dying and there was a contract made between the both of them this would end in 3 months that the ML sounded like had never any intention of following through with unknown to her. No hate on him just pointing that out. She did end up leading him on because at the point if they are saying I love you she should have thought to talk to him again to make sure the deal is on but what was nice she did acknowledge how much she messed up later and was genuinely remorseful. I think even if this whole story was reversed with the ML going through all this I wouldn't have felt much different because we would have heard his motivation the whole time. This was just a decent read for me, I didn't love it but I liked the story enough. Just doesn't make sense why the FL is so unlikable to people
I can get and won't disagree per say with comments that talk about riftan having the right to be angry and cold to her because she is so inexperienced and it's dangerous. I do think the moment he decides to agree she can come is when the argument should have been over and that's when he gets annoying for me. He doesn't have to treat her super sweet or anything because he is the commander and she is under his command as the magician but treating her like she is so incapable of doing the job she fought to have and not giving the chance with at least some support irks me. She proved so much to those around her she is willing to grow and she can learn to do her job and be good and useful and he because he refuses to see it out of "worry" makes me dislike him since it doesn't seem like he is seeing her as the person she is becoming and trying to be and instead has the image of a frail person who onlys needs support and can't support him. That's not a partnership imo and frankly it makes me feel weird he has such intense feelings about keeping her in a bubble that's safe after she has voiced over and over about wanting to leave. She isn't a child but an adult and that makes me feel weird. She is constantly changing in front of him and he doesn't acknowledge it all, but whatever rant done lol
Can someone just confirm with me but something that isn't really talked about is that Luca is a child of incest right? Because the two people that had him were cousins without knowing right?
The recent chapter says her mother literally didn't know who the father was, why is he now a child of incest?
AHHH I SEE NOW JUDITH'S SISTER AND JONAS WERE KINDA RELATED!! sorry sorry
Judith and Larissa are granddaughters of Margaret, younger sister of the previous king. Luca is a result of a one night stand between Larissa and Jonas, grandson of the previous king, making them second cousins
Yeah just asking because even if the father wasn't in the photo Jonas is still the real grandchild of the king and Judith's sister is the real grandchild of the kings sister. I thought someone might say that in the story but no one has connected the dots or it might not matter in this story setting
yeah, the didn't know they were cousins hahaha. well that still makes luca a royal
lucas parent share the same great-grandparents.
so, yeah. the family tree is messy. lol
A person can be both bad and pitiful. She was someone with no support system after losing everything and no breaks to truly grieve before she was thrust into the position of a guardian role. It would take a lot of compassion and breaking down someone's walls like that to get an idea of the reason behind their actions but I think it would be normal for the people who have no relation or context to get mad first seeing a child being neglected. You would be too biased in the moment to listen for a reason because you see the neglect in front of you. It's just a sad situation honestly where Luca wrongly got the brunt of all the adults emotions
meant to upvote!
It's great to see some actual consenting adults having fun and just going at it. Minus the whole brother friends sleeping with his sister part but who cares in a story lol
I have already gone back and forth on the "morals" of the fanfiction piece in general but I just want my two cents out now that my thoughts are collected. Does this piece contain rape? Yes it does, several times. Many times Dan is overpowered by brute force alone even when he asked to stop. His grandma was in an emergency at the hospital but he still was forced to have sex which is blatantly rape because he did not want to continue at that time. Aren't they in a contractual relationship where he agreed to provide sex? Yes they are and there is no problem with that ALONE. The problem is the seme abusing that for his own satisfaction without the mental and physical care for his sexual partner. Paying for his services does not mean he is entitled to whatever he wants with his body. That is a straight up human being not a life size sex toy so although he paid, he is still obligated to make sure he is being respectful to the partner. Doesn't matter if they are not dating. Should this fiction be taken seriously? No, because at the end of the day that's all it is. What people read is fine and their own business, I'm obviously reading it too but more so because it's a train wreck I can't look away from but that is just me. If you enjoy it that's fine. HOWEVER the issue is people are taking the said seme/rapist in the comments to justify his actions by claiming it's not rape, and that is where I get heated. We can all agree it is what it is without criticizing others for reading even if it's distasteful but don't go around trying to defend the work because in turn that makes me look at you very sus. This is a porn material based story where it fetishes rape and the victim falling in love with said rapist. Fantasies are one thing but stop trying to justify what is and isn't rape with your own morals codes, that in my opinion is where it's just disgusting. Thank you and have a nice day.
This is a repost by me, I want to put back in. I have already gone back and forth on the "morals" of the fanfiction piece in general but I just want my two cents out now that my thoughts are collected. Does this piece contain rape? Yes it does, several times. Many times Dan is overpowered by brute force alone even when he asked to stop. His grandma was in an emergency at the hospital but he still was forced to have sex which is blatantly rape because he did not want to continue at that time. Aren't they in a contractual relationship when he agreed to provide sex? Yes they are and there is no problem with that ALONE. The problem is the seme abusing that for his own satisfaction without the mental and physical care for his sexual partner. Paying for his services does not mean he is entitled to whatever he wants with his body. That is a straight up human being not a life size sex toy so although he paid, he is still obligated to make sure he is being respectful to the partner. Doesn't matter if they are not dating. Should this fiction be taken seriously? No, because at the end of the day that's all it is. What people read is fine and their own business, I'm obviously reading it too but more so because it's a train wreck I can't look away from but that is just me. If you enjoy it that's fine. HOWEVER the issue is people are taking the said seme/rapist in the comments to justify his actions by claiming it's not rape, and that is where I get heated. We can all agree it is what it is without criticizing others for reading even if it's distasteful but don't go around trying to defend the work because in turn that makes me look at you very sus. This is a porn material based story where it fetishes rape and the victim falling in love with said rapist. Fantasies are one thing but stop trying to justify what is and isn't rape with your own morals codes, that in my opinion is where it's just disgusting. Thank you and have a nice day.
you're so real you are SPITTINNN rn this made me happy to read
Thank you, I feel like there is not a safe place to talk about this with how the comments can be but I would like my thread to be one so I reposted.
yeah i feel you bro sometimes you try to say your opinion and then some people go apeshit on you because they don't agree when really it ain't that deep just agree to disagree and move on some ppl are violent shits here i swear. this is a work of fiction that has rape, abuse, dubcon, you name it so i feel like no one should even try to justify it like especially when people go out of their way to try to prove that "no it isn't rape bc it's his job" like stfu yall weird ass rape apologist mfs with very skewed morals. i agree with you that everyone needs to just read the story, know the facts, and not try to make it seem better than it is.
THANK YOU OMG finally someone said it and there is no need to trash the author or the people who read it cause at the end of the day this is simply for entertainment purposes (jeakyung is absolute trash and nobody is changing my mind at this point unless he gets exorcised)
Thank you for saying this, the rape in the manhwa disturbs me.
For me personally I feel the same, but I also stand by what I say that it is fiction and people can read it without being judged. Not that I am saying you are, just to add. I just don't like all obsession some people have with this piece on what is rape and not when it's not supposed to be such a grey area. I think it's obvious what it is which is fine in a fiction/fantasy setting as long as people don't try to convince others different we are all good. That's when I think it gets scary because I feel it's more than just a story to people.
I have already gone back and forth on the "morals" of the fanfiction piece in general but I just want my two cents out now that my thoughts are collected. Does this piece contain rape? Yes it does, several times. Many times Dan is overpowered by brute force alone even when he asked to stop. His grandma was in an emergency at the hospital but he still was forced to have sex which is blatantly rape because he did not want to continue at that time. Aren't they in a contractual relationship when he agreed to provide sex? Yes they are and there is no problem with that ALONE. The problem is the seme abusing that for his own satisfaction without the mental and physical care for his sexual partner. Paying for his services does not mean he is entitled to whatever he wants with his body. That is a straight up human being not a life size sex toy so although he paid, he is still obligated to make sure he is being respectful to the partner. Doesn't matter if they are not dating. Should this fiction be taken seriously? No, because at the end of the day that's all it is. What people read is fine and their own business, I'm obviously reading it too but more so because it's a train wreck I can't look away from but that is just me. If you enjoy it that's fine. HOWEVER the issue is people are taking the said seme/rapist in the comments to justify his actions by claiming it's not rape, and that is where I get heated. We can all agree it is what it is without criticizing others for reading even if it's distasteful but don't go around trying to defend the work because in turn that makes me look at you very sus. This is a porn material based story where it fetishes rape and the victim falling in love with said rapist. Fantasies are one thing but stop trying to justify what is and isn't rape with your own morals codes, that in my opinion is where it's just disgusting. Thank you and have a nice day.
THANK YOU!! literally this is what most readers have been trying to say. people are allowed to enjoy OR not like the story but it’s soo weird to try and take blame away from jae as if he’s not an ongoing rapist or repeated harasser towards dan. disagreeing with the obvious (that what jae doing isn’t rape) is strange as hell and feeds into a really bad narrative of what defines SA
“This is a porn material based story where it fetishes rape and the victim falling in love with said rapist.” THANK U. so right for this
ur point is absolutely amazing!! genuinely more people need to think like that because for some reason when I say something about it people will just act like I'm trying to say they can't read what they want and it's really frustrating so I'm really glad that somebody sees it that way
I agree and I thank you for your comments, it's been nice to see your username pop up in the replies since you have been very kind.
Yo be careful cause some dude is up in arms in the comment section claiming that I and others were gaslighting them because I shared an opinion similar to yours
^^ if you ever need backup just shoot me a message of some sort !
i saw that bro is absolutely crazy
Thank you and I know I am certain we are thinking of the same person and we have had an ongoing debate between the two of us.
Appreciated^^ you as well
Yeah is it like the TM guy with rainbow profile pic. If it is then block them before you get into an argument with them. They are really toxic and just overall rude
Yeah I think I've been letting my toxic chaotic trait get out of control and have been responding to see what they say but I no longer wish to respond since I know nothing will change. The responses are too long to even keep my interest now lol
Bro like that person was saying I was gaslighting them while they were gaslighting me. I tried to have a civil conversation with them, but my god their responses were so long and just really rude.
they can still respond to you sadly if you do also this person with manhwa in their user you guys should block too i forget the user
i just said i wasn't readin allat ngl
https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/1463652/home/
is the other persons profile
https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/680468/home/
and this is tm also notice they both only reqd jinx...
Yeah it's a weird obsession they have with it, I want to say it's just an Internet troll wanting to get under people's skin but it seems toxic.
headcanon its the same person
Oh that's a good point actually, I only briefly looked at the other profiles responses but they are both very long-winded so I don't think it is far fetched to assume that
Internet drama be wild lol
Thank you for the evidence of target harassed with all the lies. This is what you call cyber bullying. " Cyberbullying includes sending, posting, or sharing negative, harmful, false, or mean content about someone else. It can include sharing personal or private information about someone else causing embarrassment or humiliation. Some cyberbullying crosses the line into unlawful or criminal behavior."
https://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it
I want civil conversations. If you talk to me without attacks that would change everything. it is about YOUR BEHAVIOR.
Switch what Yoonald said. I tried to have a civil conversation with everyone here but I got attacked. I got rude responses. I called them out. You guys acted like the callouts harmed you when your attacks were worse. I should be acting like you guys. I am not. I am not offended by people acting like children who can't handle links and articles or callouts.
Calling someone out isn't meant to harm someone–it's meant to point out where someone went wrong in hopes of them correcting themself and apologizing. Being called out isn't the same thing as being attacked. Being attacked is a malicious intent to hurt,
You are attacking me with the intent to HURT me when I am calling you out to hopes you will stop and have a conversation with me. I am a genuine person who would like the have real topics on jinx. I thought Yoonald was genuine but they could only attack me while ignoring others. They were out for blood because it was them that was offended and they want me to be offended. They never understood me and imposed false arguments on me. I never attacked. I never lashed out. i never gaslighted. I am not like any of you.
I don't have to hurt others to feel better about myself that is what trolls and bullies do.
Dudes, I only shared facts and called you out.
Yoonald wanted an argument and i tried not to fight. They appear to be toxic and rude. And no sharing an opinion is sharing an opinion. Gaslight is gaslight. I have been gaslighted many times by people in this thread. The people in this thread have been abusive and toxic towards me.
19 days ago I stopped making comments. The last few days were a test to see if I was going to continue to be a target for your amusement because you crave attacking people so much that you take unbiased people and make them jinx lovers to just attack them. My stance has been changed so many times. You are not even talking to the real me. You are talking to a fake version of me. 19 days ago, we decided to delete these profiles.
So soon I will delete this profile. I will be free from your harassment. Free from your gaslighting. Free from your attacks. You will have to find someone else to attack. One day you will learn this is not rape but sexual assault and sexual coercion. You will be embarrassed thinking it is was. One day you will learn yaoi is not rape. I hope how I and many others were treated will weigh heave on your conscience. But I know that will not happen. So I give this karma. Karma will know how to hit every one of you. Hopefully, Karma can help you be better people.
I just know I will have a new profile and you will not know who I am but I will know who all the trolls are that make this a hostile place. Don't blame me for your behavior. Stop the immature disgusting abusive gaslighting behaviors. Stop cyberbullying others who have different opinions. everyone just ganged up on me and I really did not do anything but share facts. if you are offended by facts and the call-outs for your own behavior. That is wild. Please mature. Please leave me alone and stop talking about someone who is not part of the conversation. How childish and toxic.
im so glad there’s smart people in this thread talking about *those* two users because i thought i was the only one seeing their weird obsession with defending this story and attacking anyone who thinks differently. sadly they keep replying to any and everyone for an ounce of attention, i lowk believe they’re masochists who like being scolded at this point because aint no way they’re this delusional after all the backlash they get
wouldn’t be surprised if they’re the same person using two users because all they do is state the same opinion over and over with no sensible explanation or just bad takes in general and then deflect by saying “just drop the story” or “you are a gaslighter” LMAOOO it’s hella funny and childish
they were also in my comment section defending them. They can still reply?? Oh God I hope they don't
@TM SM YZ
Not even religious but you need Jesus and sleep I think. You have made yourself a part of every conversation I believe and have insults with every response, if you believe I and others are attacking you then it's a two way street. Thank you and have a nice day
my god, TM-stick up the ass, pls get off the internet. count to three and breathe in, count to three and breath out. no one is reading ur long ass essays and it’s funny watching u rant and scramble to call each and every person any textbook definition of a bad individual. like do u get tired of playing the victim?? sorry that you can’t handle your favorite story being criticized but this complex of yours needs serious help. take the attention you have for readers and turn that energy inward i swear you’ll go places
Take your own advice .. Make learing about love will help you learn how hateful you have been and how wrong you comments are.
No I have no made myself a part of every conversation. I don't have insults. You and others have attacked me. I have not attacked you. Stop the gaslighting.
@TM SM YZ
As a wise person once said
Gaslight, Gate Keep, Girl Boss
Damn starting to sound like my mom with that deflection of personal responsibility you go queen
Slaayyy
That is not me.
Nothing to slay as it does not fit
I have not defection anything. That is rich coming from you when you don't know my stances or what I even said.
I take personal responsibility when I do something but you and your friends' lies about me is not my personal responsibility. I will apologize for you and your friends' bad behavior. it is embarrassing.
@TM I didn't even know these people till this shit but hey nothing brings a community together than someone ranting at anything that moves.
my god @ TM is still going… i keep thinking the notif is a manga update, but low and behold it’s the lord of idiots speaking again
didn’t know calling a fictional character a rapist made us friends, i know you aren’t the brightest but can you try a little harder to make sense and have an ounce of self-respect? take the L and go already. mad embarrassing, u are not slay :( !
This topic is everyone whining because they took the loss. I have nothing to take the Lost on besides not having real conversations with anyone here. They want to lie and troll with petty cowardly insults.
I apologize for your guys' bad behavior because you can't handle taking the loss. Hours ago. There is no rapist in this fictional story. One day you will understand that or you do and that is why you heavily harassing me for tell the truth.
Lol alright I know I have been entertaining this guy but he is just officially a troll, no one goes this hard on anything. Thanks for the laugh and my weekly entertainment, have a good night.
oh god guys run the weirdo arrived
yeah they can just not directly it sucks
creator of thread has to block sm
they talk the same too
just block them then they will have a comvo with themselves
He is not a weirdo. You are fucked in the head.
You are the fucked up weirdo who is harassing a person who only wanted to talk about the story and share information. How fucked up is that? Get a life.
Everyone here messing with him is fucked up in the head. Why are you so obsessed about him and cruel to him?
Shut up
dawg what HES HARASSING people
I went ahead and blocked both of them so hopefully they stop talking on this thread if that's how it works. It seems a new can of worms have opened with this other guy here now
omg freedom!!
It's definitely the same person, probably the new account they went on about having
oh deffo
╥﹏╥ I wish Arjen could have just one love interest, it makes it seem like the main star is Arien rather than the both of them. Maybe he gets one when he is a bit older
Thank you! That has been bothering me as well. Unless they decide to have him get Jason and Arien get one of the many guys that shows up.
Honestly same, I just want one person that shows a bit more interest in him as much as everyone else shows Arien, I would ship him with Jason lol
The criticism with our main girl is unfair to me. I have only heard the opinions from others how dumb she is and right Riftan is because she is so inexperienced. Would it not be a boring story for her to grow up the way she did and not want to finally fight for herself later on? Sure he knows more with what to expect and how life threatening the battle field can be, but she has gone out of her way to try and prove herself so much that she is capable to some capacity. She actually has been very useful to others in regards to healing and makes a difference in places that ask for her help. The only one that keeps shooting her down is Riftan. There is never a scene that stands out where he tries to explain from a loving and caring perspective to her why it bothers him, just that she needs to listen. She might not be doing it the smartest way but if she has few options because the oh so big man Riftan takes them away she is gonna be reckless because she is so inexperienced. I just don't think people call out his attitude as much as hers when it's way more understandable to me from her perspective why she tries so hard. It's unfair to him because she doesn't open up why she feels so strongly because of her past but he also doesn't try to understand her. Just gets angry and it shuts her down.
REAL!