I’ll be disappointed if there’s a flag transfer because Hatano is good to have for the plot! He adds conflict and fun drama to the story BUT he’s a flag that can’t progress right now due to his age, so the author doesn’t have to worry if having too many Hatano moments will lead too close to a relationship (unlike the other previous adult male leads like movie guy, printer hamster-died guy, group date guy, all who can definitely advance their relationship with MC).
I do want to see Minamoto (mind reader guy) more, that route is very interesting
I feel like some of the complaints about this arc lowkey shames Hatano for liking an adult. To be clear, I like the mind reader, but teens have crushes on older people / adults all the time. It’s natural and not something they should feel ashamed by, in the whole flurry of many things they already feel are weird about themselves while growing up. The creepy part is if the adult reciprocates. Mob-kun at this point is not at all reciprocating and it’s just Hatano being happy that he gets to meet his crush, so what’s the problem?
And it’s misguided to say that Hatano and Mob-kun dating as *adults* is automatically ‘grooming’. Mob-kun is NOT grooming Hatano. He’s refusing Hatano repeatedly! If they ever date as adults, it would be Hatano pushing to do so on his own terms as an adult—not him being pressured / manipulated into doing so since he was a minor.
TL;DR We shouldn’t be performative and should really understand what’s grooming.
well said, well said. so tired of some readers screaming p3do to my ears its getting tiresome
FR FR!!!
preachh gurll
Yes! I feel like a lot of people are missing the fact that MC is NOT waiting for Hatano to turn 18 to date him it’d be creepy otherwise
Yes exactly
say it louderrr (≧∀≦)
I’m most definitely going to get dislikes and angry replies, but I’ll say it: honestly disappointed to see the shallow reactions to Derrick. This manga is so good and complex. To just see the characters as bad vs good feels like the readers read the manga in a surface level way, but I guess most readers are teens or kids here so it’s not anyone to blame.
The legitimate discussion by paid Korean readers is much better, for those looking for better discussions. This manga is crazy popular. There are some theories that when Derrick breaks free from the mind control he will have a severe mental breakdown based on the glass shatter background, and they’re discussing why Yvonne made her personal maid (who’s still under mind control) confess to the crime when it implicates her
I completely agree. I usually don’t pay much attention to whatever people say here lol
Omggg I knowww, Derrick is literally so confused for the past two episodes, there's no way to make it more clear that he is being used as a puppet, he literally just worried a lot about Pennelope and wondered why he can't say a word about that but readers still don't understand.
Nah I'm with you. I've been reading the novel and it goes into a lot more depth with the emotions of all the characters.
I like Derrick in that he's a complicated man. He's been holding onto the guilt and shame of losing his sister all these years, and has just now been realizing that Penelope is a whole person that he does care for on some level which drives him deeper into guilt. Not to mention he's the 1st son of one of the most powerful houses in the empire, I know Calisto said it before but it also applies to Derrick "I must always be perfect."
I hope he can be saved. I don't think he's a bad guy at all, he feels he is the only barrier between his bonkers family and the judgement of an entire empire.
I don't see how Derrick is good in anyway. At most he is just a creep who wants to keep Penelope locked up because I think he feels guilty about Yvonne for leaving her hand and losing her in crowd. He is just directing his guilt to Penelope and in wrong "creepy" way.
Bet all his childhood he was like having "hate to see Penelope taking his sister's place but then coming to care for her and also wishes to not lose her like his sister so he will take all control of Penelope's life and discipline her and make it so she's at his mercy so she does not dare to rebel." He thinks Penelope as an object to elevate his guilt which infact perfectly labels him as bad no need for deeper discussions on a character like him cuz manwha has portrayed it quite obviously that he cares for her but is a shitty character who wants Penelope to act submissive even if she's going through torture. Kind of like men in some typical male dominated society who wants women to always stay low which infact aligns with thought process of men of that period but since it's magical world prejudice against women is less but Derrick here, still tops it cuz he is "the wannabe alpha man of the family" and no one is above him except his father(who is pretty much not going to live forever)
I just realised Eunyung’s hair is oily because he stayed by Haejoon’s side in the hospital for the whole day/days to watch over him
THE PROBLEMS ARE ALL MEN AND THEIR CREEPY ASS OBSESSION FOR ONE WOMAN. Leave Shuri the hell alone. She’s a kid and she just looks like some woman who honestly doesn’t give me good vibes since she lowkey cheated on the King by kissing Johannes. Shuri is not like the previous Empress at ALL but yall grown ass men projecting onto a 14 year old!!!!
IN OTHER NEWS, MEN CONTINUE TO DISAPPOINT.
Plus most of the kids got mommy issue she sees them as her child or younger brother but them mixing the mother love with romantic feeling...
Anyway real talk I’m glad uke brought it up. Because Gojo lookalike here really trying to turn this on his Geto, like damn. Geto lookalike probably just giving in because he wants his Gojo to be happy. Someone tell me what are their names
LMAO
Saku (uke)
Renji (seme)
this got me cracking
He looks like Gintoki bro, not Gojo.
I can’t ever get myself to read through this after someone said Navier is pretty much the equivalent of a white colonialist getting mad at a slave for trying to get out of slavery and fk over the system that enslaved her for her relative’s crimes lol
Wow, now people are angry at Navier for rightfully feeling the emotions she went through?
She watched the love of her life fall in love with someone else and neglect her feelings…
This is a terrible take ngl
LFMAOAO this is a funny take. While we don't see the empire take over nations in this story, the slavery is not through conquest but through crimes. Rashtaa is a slave because her parents committed a crime, and she is forced to work it off. Though the story says slaves are generational, it never states the person who committed the crime can just elect their kids to do it, because her father is alive. That's the reason slaves are looked down upon and why Navier doesn't really do anything to resolve that. Its criminals that are serving, and children of criminals. It follows the same mindset of "the apple doesnt fall far from the tree" gimmick.
You could say that, but it completely ignores Navier and Rashta's (the former slave) personalities. The author did not write this with slavery in mind, it's more so supposed to be a twist on that rofan trope where the typical commoner girlie falls in love with a royal and against all odds ends up ruling the country with him. Honestly, Rashta having been a former slave is background info if nothing else and serves as petty justification for her malice.
They did miss out on that though. It would've been interesting to see Rashta go somewhere and make a point, but she's just an obstacle to be mad at. A seething hoe that happens to be a former slave too. You can imply that the author thinks a certain way about slaves/poor people, but that's just pointing fingers with no solid proof.
I mean, Navier gave her first love away. What more you want from her?
So you agree that people should be punished for the crimes of their parents? BRUHHHHHH THIS IS A MAD TAKE,
Anyway yall don’t hate me, it was written from the pov of a black woman who talked about a black slave deliberately fking over a white family as revenge for slavery of her people. Imma defer to her as a fellow brown skinned person and someone who can’t speak on black slavery
No no, I just wanted to provide context of the slavery that's written in the story- even though despite the means, it's still slavery. It's very uncomfortable that the author (novel) introduces slavery into the story and theres no justice brought to the slaves in the empire. I never finished the novel, so I'm not sure if it ends up being resolved.
In the end Rashtaa is demonized for taking things away from Navier despite it being a woman that's just trying to survive.
Oh dude I'm so sorry, I mistook the commenter above you as the you as well so I thought this comment was like a follow up. Yeah totally agree dude, I was excited to read this then damn that truth bomb just dropped on me. Why the hell is Navier and the King enslaving people for their parents' crimes?!?!??! White colonialist vibes ngl
And here we go... making things about the BLM again. Things should stay in the context they were given, not out of them.
Naw are you black? Doesn’t seem like it from one of your comments about your ethnicity, I ain’t gonna talk over a black person and you shouldn’t too mmmkay
I don't hate you.
And this manhwa is basically just about royal drama centered around an Empress, and it doesn't wanna mess with the deeper implications of slaves existing to begin with. If that's not for you, then don't read. It's a shame that the author chose to avoid the topic and make their main antagonist into a power-hungry former slave when there was potential for so much more to be said. It hypocritical or the author, but not every story needs to take apart it's politics.
In any case, why not make up your own opinion about this? You can read it on here without supporting the author anyway. Ngl that blm comment feels like a reach, I feel where it's coming from but again, a bit off the mark here. You'll get it when you read it yourself and can stop when you realize it's not doing it for you.
Discriminating now? If you are going to bring an unrelated topic, I'll tell you off. Everything is not about race. Wake up.
Why do you believe that bs? Seriously. Only racist Black people have ever said that phrase, point blank. Because everytime they say that, they follow up with, oh you can't be racist to this group of people. Wtf??
Imagine an Asian or White person saying, Black people can't talk about our situation or give their opinion because their not our skin tone.
Don't fuel their narrative, which is already off topic. (￣∇￣")
Yeah. You're right, I'm doing the same thing, sorry for ruining y'all's original discussion
Also Tojo is SO FKING FUNNY LMAO I love that guy and how he’s progressed through the series to be a wingman and his constant fighting with Misato