Algoverde's Topics (9)

Sorry i meant to upvote TvT

Same man the artist is doing the heavy lifting for this series. With a mediocre artist that scene would not have been as hot as it was.

Oh wow im not alone

im sorry but guys cry so good in femdom mangas slurp

there needs to be more femdom comics for real. seeing big men cry their eyes out during sex is the only reason I read BL tbh. i mean ive read some good BL but real talk, i dont go to them for the story. if they have a goods tory sure ok thats nice BUT are their muscular dudes on their knees or crying or both? if the answer is no well im not interested! take ur shounen ai/PG rated bl comics outta here! anyway...S flower is ending and No Holes Barred is going on hiatus again (s2 is about to end i was worried its the series finale but lol its not) so all we'll have left is Just Give it To Me which has like very few sex scenes and Sadistic Beauty (which only updates every 10 days...with super short chpts....*cries*)

I'm pretty sure you're aware of this but...that's fetishisation of gay men. Because if you're not reading for the story or the relationship and you're JUST reading for the sexually explicit scenes that is seen problematic by the community

watch this tiktoc if you still don't understand https://vm.tiktok.com/ZS5hoWtX/

i'm pretty sure you're aware of this but...this is fiction. You don't hold anyone to the same standard that you hold specifically for girls media depicting men. Hentai fetishizes women, kids, animals, whatever the fuck but I never see any of you trying to make male nerds feel bad about it? I get that being politically correct to a fault is the new fashon of 2020 but for the love of god, SHUT UP. Nothing wrong with enjoying a fictional image or concept, even if it ends up being something that has a conteurpart IRL it was never supposed to be actual rep, so it makes no sense to whine about it. If you're gonna, then stop enjoying any media, because I assure you everything you see is just a golorified image that does NOT reflect reality

as a person as a part of the LGBTQ community i think im gonna kindly ask you to not make assumptions about me and i bet my index and middle finger you havent thought about this topic anywhere near as much as I have.
First of all its NOT fetishization to enjoy erotic imagery of two men or two women or two people of any gender presentation fucking. its a form of pornography like any other. and i was also obviously exaggerating for comic effect. Second of all. I do prefer there IS a story cause ofc that means the sex scenes hit better. likewise sex scenes that have good dirty talk or are used as a way to further character development are also better than those that are empty fwop fwop fests. but just like i read alot of het material that doesnt have much substance beyond sex scenes, i do the same for BL as well (I read GL too but that's a diff topic ill mention why in a bit). and make no mistake some of the fujoshis on here are fetishizing gay men but u know what? the entire genre of BL is largely there to fuel the sexual fantasies of Straight women. its not there to make gay men feel more included in society nor is it meant to appeal to them in particular or queer people in general. there are plenty of people in LGBTQ community who do read BL but also plenty who dislike it because of its often very Straight Gaze. Many BL writers/artists clearly have a binary view of gender and how relationships function both sexually and emotionally that is based entirely in how het relationships are expected to function or Look. Which is which is why SO many BL out there make the Bottom very feminine, small and slender in a way that is meant to allow the (assumed straight) female demographic to better project themselves onto them. these guys dont rly act like a human male (gay or otherwise) would in real life. there are ofc femme gay guys, but they look and act more like the male lead in Cover Up or like Minyoung from Man of Virtue or Sunyool from Points of Three. Much Less like the ones in stories like Siren Song or Love is an Illusion or even BJ Alex (tho the back half of that one is alot better than the front half i'll say that) but guess which category most "bottoms" in these BL stories tend to fall into?
Also i'm mainly talking about BL not GL here because GL is written by women, about women, for women thus its entire tone/focus is very diff from the jump. its highly likely at least some GL is written by actual WLW. tho ofc there's no way to "prove" it. As a queer person there have been BL that touched me deeply and wasnt just fap material or w/e. Man of Virtue is one (its not on this site) and Blood Bank is another, both managed to tap into the underlying sense of anxiety that follows you around as a queer person in a society that largely does not accept you for who you are or who you love and is constructed entirely around the notion of your love being impossible or abominable (blood bank manages this despite being in a fantasy world with fantasy social structures) They also both function very well as beautiful love stories while also being incredibly sexy smut but imo its very rare a BL manages to be both. BL that has no sex is usually more concerned with a love story but reading about men being in love on its own isnt esp interesting when its not actually written by or for MLM. so my interest in PG rated BL comics is almost Zero and i dont feel bad about that at all. and that's all im gonna say about that. take ur moralizing elsewhere, thnx. (also just in general, Love Story with Sex > Love Story with no Sex. cause i love reading about sex as much as i like love! fight me!)

its funny cause im actually lgbt and i was gonna just tell her to go fuck herself but decided to write an essay instead cause actulaly I DO have alot of thoughts about BL as a genre and prob 100x more than she has. but also lbr BL isnt about "gay" men in general, its about men fucking. the actual level of how being a queer man in real life that actually makes into most BL is almost zero cause most BL is made by women for women as a form of pornography like FFS.

by and for STRAIGHT women i want to clarify that cause its an important distinction tbh. (im bi/pan female and i have dropped so many BL for being so blandly painfully heterosexual despite being about a "gay" couple that its almost funny)

Yeah hetenormativity plays a big role especially in older yaoi, and some genres as a whole like omegaverse. And i won't lie, I hate omegaverse for reasons I won't get into rn but you know? We're all adults, I understand the concept of fiction and I understand it's not real. To each their own. I'm actually into yaoi bc i like pretty boys more than the know-all types that you usuallly get in josei but hmm ill be real with you, this type of man doesn't exist. Lol. I'm baffled that people think that I look at these ridicolously androgynous character and I somehow expect that to be the standard for irl people. Have you ever seen a dude? lol it's like, let me have this theresa. Most of these people read shoujo anyway and chances are they are already into some different kind of idealistic version of men lol it's really not that different

i'm just kinda tired of how people get all defensive when any minority is involved. I'm part of the community myself, but it's getting heavy. Just look at what's happening to shows and movies. People of course want lgbt/poc/whatever characters to be added more, but then they crucify the series that do include them way more than those who don't bother at all. Because everything is potentially offensive in 2020. Just give it a rest people. Manga as a whole is a highly unrealistic genre, if you're into 2d waifus that's already a whole ass type of woman that doesn't exist. But the argument only surfaces now, of course, because someone decided that fiction and reality are the same thing! Silly me, thinking this was an issue you normally solve on your own with 5 minutes of thought.

damnnnn sis you full-on write me an essay lol. I'm not here to attack you so you can pipe the fuckdown. Im lgbtq+ too. I respect your opinions and a lot of them I do share. so alg

yes but also other people might read it so i wanted to make a good point. but srsly even if u are also queer (hello comrade lol), u were still wrong so. had 2 be said. if bl smut is fetish-y so is the non smut cause in the end its all written for straight women~

I get you. but again I do lowkey find it an issue but then AGAIN anime in general is fucked up sooo. I have some gay friends that have talked about the issue and how they generally felt uncomfortable. I totally agree with your points that you made and I can add on to the points because I do share the same views

but I'm bad at typing lol. but alg respect

Just to clarify I was mainly referring to straight women and how they neglect the entire plot, characters and the relationship just to read The sexual scenes. It’s quite degrading towards the author and their efforts. Reading manga that has sexual scenes is of course not fetishising. And of course I understand that the genre in general is built around the female fantasy. But hearing how a lot of females (straight) scroll through the entire chapter just to look at the few pages of sexual scenes and then moving on A lot of people see it as problematic as well as fetishising of mlm. As fetishes is taking something and then sexualising it for arousal. I can understand when I hear gay men saying how it makes them uncomfortable knowing straight women get aroused over their sexual orientation.

not to defend the Straights here, but tbh skipping ahead of a plot to the sexy/spicy bits is i dare say a universal desire for the very Thirsty among us. i do it even for stories i like sometimes, just jump ahead to some steamy stuff and then double back to actually read up to it. people be impatient sometimes. but tbh if the story is good enough people will read it if its not then they can skip to the fucking if they want to lol. it doesnt rly cause any damage to queer people and tbh reading a fantasy story about dudes being in love isnt all that transgressive or important when again its not being written by or about actual queer guys. in the end its all fanservice. and for some people they just wanna cut thru the bullshit and get right to what they are really there for. and its naked men lol. (i will say female writers of BL or any other combination will usually put way more effort into creating some kind of story for their porn than male creators ever do. which i assume is because most female readers dont actually skip right ot the sex scenes and only the sex scenes or porn comics written by women would have way more fucking and alot less talking. js. not trying to argue i just disagree). also tbh in alot of these cases women arent aroused by actual gay men or gayness (and in fact would irl be uncomfortable with gay guys) im thinking esp of women in countries that have BL but are very homophobic. they may not hate gay people but living in a society that is hostile towards them means ur gonna be feeling some kinda way about actual gay guys that u dont feel about the fictional ones in the stories written specifically to entertain the assumed Reader a straight cis female. not saying there arent fujoshis who would irl think of gay guys as only potential fap material but thats just generally not how it pans out and again this is doubly true when u look at all the BL that isnt actually about queerness nor views relationships or love with the eye of someone who actually percieves a world outside of the hetero binary of traditional gender performativity. like there's just nothing inherently enlightening about the gay male experience in an omegaverse BL's dialogue scenes that is somehow lost during the sex parts. again im not saying fetishization isnt a thing that ever happens among BL readers but i think to assume that the genre itself is about gay men rather than men who are fucking over men to titillate a type of female gaze is just approaching it entirely wrong from the start. i dont rly like how alot of BL characters are called "uke" and "seme" rather than by their names or by their appearances or role in the story, that does ick me out but not cause of fetishization but cause it reduces the entire role to what their sexual position is. but thats also reinforced by the writers in alot of these BL comics where their sexual position also informs their ENTIRE personality. and i hate it lol. but thats again an issue with the genre overall. there's just no moral high ground here is what im trying to say there isnt a Right and Progressive and Ethical etc way to read BL, its all the same in the end cause BL itself as it exists right now is pretty problematic. (the fact that china has BL and GL stories albeit PG rated only when its about as anti lgbt as a country can get without actually putting them to death....u think those comics are talking about the Gay Experience in a country that so heavily censors every aspect of its media? do u see what im getting at here?), sry for another essay i have alot to say i giss

hahhaha the essayyyy. nan alg. I get you. Thank you for informing me and tbh a lot of the things you say makes so much sense. That people are just thirsty in general (just one question, if these straight women generally skip to the sexual scenes to Quench their thirst why gay porn? like I understand seeing two males do the deed is desirable for straight men as they are attracted to men, but is that all)
and omgg I'm actually quite happy to hear that you are also against "uke" and "seme" concept in this genre, I feel like it's quite limiting and stereotypical in ways. But it makes sense when you said there is truly no ethical way to read BL which I do agree with, cause the genre in general is quite toxic for numerous of reasons....

thb you're the first person that actually talk and make sense. I appreciate this

i have alot of Thoughts about erotic media what can i say? but also yeah the problem with BL is again alot of it (not all of it tho) is rly just replicating the stereotypical expectation of Hetero love and sexual dynamics. and its SO BORING and ofc deeply limiting. just screams lack of imagination too. that said i do think part of that is also an expectation of the genre. while some writers do venture out into other aspects of queer identity or presentation or sex. very few go too far because ultimatley u need to please ur audience to sell ur work for a living. but yeah i also appreciate BL that has like other queer people and queer communities represented. like south korea may not be the most gay friendly place but it does have a thriving underground scene for lgbtq people (who mostly meet each other in bars). its pretty obvious when an author has actually interacted with real queer people and done their research vs when they are rly just making porn for the str8 ladies. i dont feel offended by the latter if its set in a fantastical world or smth but when its supposed to be part of real and contemporary life, it feels so jarring u know? and im glad my essay's werent totally boring. covid is making me unable to put my usual work in an academic setting cause all the schools are on hiatus or doing remote learning. so ive been reduced TO THIS. *weeps* (but yeah as a bi/pan girl, the way het sex in ero comics is portrayed is deeply boring to me as well but its not as egregious as it feels with BL. again GL is kinda different in conception so while its not irrelevent to the convo i cant rly compare it to BL at all. wouldnt be fair). also im always here for some butch lesbian rep. (looks in the direction of Anti P.T and Points of Three. albeit these were supporting charas. i tend to see more surprise! Gl relationships in the co ed stuff written by women than in BL tho. for obvious reasons i suppose....)

Keep in mind that fiction is fiction! If you don't use what's available to you to tickle your interests in harmless ways like comics or books, when will you? Blame people who don't respect the line between fiction and reality, that's where your problem is at. There's really no point in policing how unethical or toxic a genre is. You as /i assume/ a woman won't go look for compelling stories about you on a straight porn site even if you know women are probably in 99% of the content on there. It's just common sense. Some things are vaguely about you, doesn't mean they're necessarily FOR you. Just let people have fun, it's better for everyone

Guess because most straight fiction, presents the smut scenes as quite degrading to women characters and depict them as being very male led/end when he gets his satisfaction. Whereas yaoi, yuri or fendom removes women from being confronted by such awful portrayals.

Some yuri though is for the "male gaze" or least shows some very het dynamics, which like yaoi, a straight audience can relate to more.The whole "uke and seme" stereotypes where one character sorry to be tmi sticks their fingers into another violently and she ends up screaming in pleasure like that scene from Sally met harry lol come on, it's no better than yaoi where only one character can bottom and gets screaming crying pleasure from that alone, all the time.

There are yes, some good yuri that is written by and for women, tackling social issues and women's experiences rather than just straight up unrealistic smut.... but it's rare to find decent translated yuri... the most introspective and realistic is probably "my lesbian experience with loneliness" (think that's the title) which is very very different to say the unrealistic smut of "just right there". Guess it's like the bara on here that doesn't depict male characters as "ukes and semes" and tackles proper issues.

The Q word for many is still considered a slur, rather than an identity. If you self-identify as it, cool, but many in the LGB community would rather just be known as lesbian, gay or bisexual.