I guess I just don't get masochism, I mean I get the subservient part, I think the "tell me what to do" aspect could be really sexy. But this, the acceptance of that level of degradation, to actually throw away your own self worth or esteem for sex with another person, I just can't go there. The way he treated him with the dog role play, I just don't see the appeal of someone actually feeling that level of contempt for you, turning you on.
it's a play that shouldn't be taken to heart. pet play etc is an actual kinky thing but aftercare follows after sex. if things get rough, there are safe words that informs your partner when it gets too much. it's just a step up from dirty talk but what happens in bed doesn't equate to your partner thinking actually thinking the same way irl.
it's clearly not your thing but people do like those things. no need to kinkshame them. but there are people out there who've had a rough time in the past that shaped them to toxic masochism/sadism.
*what happens in bed doesn't equate to your partner thinking the same way irl.
No "kinkshaming" here at all. If you've been reading the same manga I have then you know we're not dealing with a couple who are any where close to having a safe word or even sex. The seme here is treating this guy like something he'd scrape off his shoe and it's confusing to me how this can turn the uke on so much. This isn't an established couple so I'm pretty sure that what he says about him, or writes on him, he feels irl. Please don't take the fact that this extreme level of masochism isn't for me, and turn it into me bashing it, like I said...I just don't get it, I never said it was wrong etc..
I was just utterly speechless, he’s degrading himself soo bad that I just ended up laughing lol
it was explained in the beginning why he likes this treatment. and like I said in my first reply, some people’s toxic masochism/sadism are shaped from past experiences.
I disagree, many times I see everyone on here with the same argument, "don't take it seriously, it's just a book". That to me is one the most frustrating ways idiots with no type of brain can try to argue. humans are humans, no matter how kinky they are, we all have a LIMIT, a pain tolerance limit! and authors seem to forget that aspect when they write. humans DON'T have sex 5 times in a row, and they DON'T do kink play so rough that it's hard to even recognize the situation as realistic anymore. As an author, if you are basing your characters on human behavior, to essentially act in a way that is predominantly human-like, it is good to represent the characters and their response to the situation realistically, to the extent of the plot. EXAMPLE: the most common trope I see, is the main character being raped by the person they do not like, and then afterward they suddenly like each other after a flimsy apology or no apology at all. THAT'S NOT OK!!! the characters are supposed to be HUMAN LIKE!!! no normal person WOULD EVER! respond like that to that situation!! where's is emotions??? the psychological distraught?? the build-up of the characters's morals and empathy??? UGH! it's so disgusting and inhumane, I can't even see those characters are humans at all!
To clarify, Im not saying that topics/situations such as the example given are a bad thing to write about, I'm just saying that the response the characters give to the situation is what's bad because they feel like they are lacking certain emotions and self-awareness. They don't seem human, and it's hard for me to connect with them emotionally and socially.
Idk about your experiences but personally I try not to personalize a story I’m reading. As far as sex is concerned 5 times back to back is definitely possible and even more than that since Sex addicts exist, so sex multiple times shouldn’t be so unbelievable. I know I have quite a few 5 or more back to back experiences and I’m not a addict or super human.
It all depends on both of your passion, compatibility, stamina and recovery time. Some people like rough play, they shouldn’t be condemned for their preference.
Now rape is another story entirely, it’s not okay at all and even more so especially in real life. Shockholm syndrome is what we call a victim who becomes attracted to their attacker, it has occurred in real life on multiple occasions. It’s sad when it occurs since the acts of violence isn’t taken as seriously. I have empathy and sympathy for confused victims.
The world is complicated and I accept that reality, I understand how that can be frustrating and annoying. Just because we can’t relate or understand something doesn’t mean we shouldn’t just write it off as BS. If the topic is so bothersome maybe doing research would help relieve some of that confusion.
you're a god for writing this. couldn't have said it better myself.
I was gon said the same thing lol
Idk it just really irked me reading that comment, I know and met a variety of people. Some into or working in S&M, some just promiscuous, some with some pretty traumatic experiences and how that led them to unhealthy habits, I’ve also watched and learned a bit about different disorders and human behavior so felt I had to say something. Humans aren’t simple creatures, we can’t fit in just one category, some of us feel a magnitude of different emotions at once. We all handle stress and hardships differently, sometimes we make poor decisions because overwhelmed or even have delayed reactions to a situation.
I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, feelings and beliefs but to state those opinions, feelings or beliefs as fact or guidelines for others to obey/live by is another story.
Yeah, but I just stop saying too much because (not this person but) I’ve got into arguments with people before, people that thinks the world’s consist of only good things. ~..~
Yeah I normally don’t say anything since it take too much energy to argue or debate. Yes some people where lucky to live sheltered lives where everything and one is safe, good guys always win and everyone friendly like a fairytale. (also not referring to this person)
So saying that I don't understand the appeal of a sexual activity, for myself, personally, has now turned into me trying to establish guidelines for other peoples sex lives. Educating myself about S&M will definitely help me understand why others might like it, or need it, but it will not change the fact that it's just not for me. While I definitely appreciate all the feedback from my statement, a lot of it very informative and helpful, I'm not crazy about having words put in my mouth that I definitely did not say.
Duuuude for real!! I was gonna talk about their fantasy world but stop cause I don’t want to offend ppl but hey you said it!! Well said!!
Ok I completely understand where you’re coming from. I agree sometimes character’s don’t have self awareness and that can be frustrating and make it hard to follow the actions of a character or even enjoy a story.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not understanding the appeal of a sexual activity, if it’s not your preference then it just isn’t and that’s ok. Sorry actually I wasn’t referring to your initial comment at all but a response you received earlier.
So no one was trying to put any words in your mouth or accuse you of anything. I hope that clears up any mix up. Your comment open the door to a discussion that kind of went somewhere else.
My bad I had a long day so my don’t offend others filtering is not Effective , I’m only blunt at the moment
Thank you so much for all the uploads, it's truly appreciated!
Actually, thanks go out to the translator(s) of all these chapters, I'm not sure what's going on about the uploads but the translation is surely appreciated!
I may not have much, if any experience with love, but I'm pretty sure that's not it. I'm sure there will be differing opinions and that's cool, but for me raping and beating will not be signs that you hold me in your heart.
Tho I don't think portraying "love" was the authors intention
Really? I don't think she was by no means trying to portray love in the "conventional" sense, but I definitely think she was trying to show us a warped possibly sick and codependent type of love. I definitely got the impression that they felt something like that from this last chapter, I was just stating how this was as far from the type of love "I" envision as you can get.
Yeah I feel the same way.
I meant "love" in that conventional sense xD
I swear I've never gotten the giggles before I started reading this, I didn't think I was gonna like it at first but now it's like "I need my fix". The character development has been perfect and the artwork is fantastic for this series. I'll be honest and say I'd like a little more "steam", but then again it might ruin it...just the Yaoi lover in me.
This one has me kind of stumped at this point. I want Haesoo to be happy, I'm pretty sure its not gonna be with his step brother, but there's also something about the photographer that sets off little alarm bells, "how do you feel about showing some skin in your pictures"? At this point there's no one else in his life and I'm not sure that either of these two are the ones for him. Oh well, time will tell.
I agree with you... something about Taku is off...
So, the chief may turn out to be a decent guy, at work, we'll see. Thanks so much for the upload, truly appreciate it!!!
but I can't stand it when someone has next to zero self esteem that they'd put up with a seme like that. I thought after he raped him the first time he'd find a way to get what he needed and then dump him, not fall in love. I mean he bled everywhere and was bedridden, then went back for more. He thought nothing of having been fucked senseless and then pounded more while unconscious. I know there are past issues and trauma...blah blah blah...but this is bordering on psychotic. I'm finding myself disgusted more and more and enjoying this less and less...maybe its time to drop it, but I keep hoping for him to grow a backbone and discover his own self worth. I mean I did start off liking his character and how he was struggling to make ends meet, I just thought he had more "smarts" than he obviously does.
i don’t get how someone with a completely functioning brain would want to deal with someone like that fucked up bitch. i mean his life has been shitty ever since he was born but he rather ruins it more i’m so tired of this bs
I'm kinda interested in where this is going. Doesn't appear to be popular but it's kind of "hokey" fun. Thanks for all the updates.