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Yeah I was kinda getting pissed off earlier but it’s true, he’s not committed to a relationship so he is allowed to do what he wants. Still I hope he doesn’t go fucking his boss anymore

Yeah I agree but he is literally toying around with their feelings. Now that he slept with the boss and the boss has opened up to him, I bet the boss is now feeling more hopeful that their relationship will work out. And Hwi has already confessed to Param. I think Hwi also knows that their feelings towards eachother are somewhat similar. Why can't Param just end one fucking relationship and focus on the other? He's gonna end up hurting both of them. We have to realise that these two grown as men he's toying with are not robots with no emotions. What he is doing now is just cruel. Gosh I feel so pathetic being so worked up over a comic

lol don't feel pathetic about being worked up ahahah we're all here just to try to feel something ahaha

and yes i agree with you to an extent, that it feels like param's playing them, but i don't really think that's the case fully. param's had a crush on mr. han for a long time, and he just met hwi. he communicated to hwi about his crush on mr. han. he's sleeping with hwi because it worked out but they are currently only friends with benefits.

looking at this from a outside perspective, his feelings were towards mr.han and hwi was just a sex friend at the time of param having sex with mr.han.

however, leaving mr. han's appartment, param begins to realize that his feelings for mr. han might've faded as shown by his apparent disgust with himself.

so while i do find the current situation frustrating on behalf of hwi, i don't think param has necessarily done something wrong, he's just toeing an uncomfortable line, yknow?

Yes yes I agree with this exactly ^^^^^^

Ok now that perspective is far more tolerable if y-know what I mean. Thanks for taking your time explaining it ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

yep!!!! i totally get being frustrated lol im hardcore ream hwi and i was shouting at param the whole chapter but im still on his side bc hes not morally in the wrong imo

np it was nice to talk about it :)

OH I TOTALLY AGREE. i love that you see both sides and that you acknowledge that this is, after all, just a story. but even if it is just a story, we should still be careful for rooting for them to be together when in fact seungho has always been bad to nakyum from the start. I just wish that nakyum can break the cycle and stand up for himself and that seungho lets him go. this way, we will see if nakyum continues to have feelings for him or not

ya nakyum needs to stand up for himself but even if he doesnt i totally understand-- the power imbalance and the fears he has (partially bc of the time period) are ample reason for him to not be brave about the situation

if he does stand up for himself and he does still end up having feelings for seungho, it's always going to be toxic still. nakyum will love seungho self destructively. toxic relationship are just a mutual unhealthy spiral of being addicted to each other, and nakyum and seungho display this perfectly imo.

i think it's just nonsensical to expect this to become a loving relationship after seungho's raped and abused nakyum repeatedly ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

and yes ur right, we should be careful about rooting for them too!!

very that. I am not sure why people are shocked that seungho is treating him this way because he is just being consistent with his character. kudos to the writer for not being pressured to suddenly write seungho as a good person just because they had sex a couple of times. he is a noble after all and people like time just have a different set of moral standards

ahhhh different set of moral standards is such a good point!!! amd yes i didnt even think about the pressure on the author, you r completely right about that too

I agree with every point but one. That is the consistency in its direction.

We as the readers already know what Seungho and Nakyum are made of. If people don't know or are surprised about their reaction, they clearly don't know what they are reading and read it only for any shock value they want to be put on their faces. The main issue I particularly have with PotN is the same repititive and dragged on characterization leading to the stillness of the plot.

I had a discussion between chapter 63 and 64 with someone who made the same remark and added the aspect of entertainment. We need plot points to move the plot forward and understand our main characters and to add a new dynamic, not to go on with the same behaviour every damn time like we are in some kind of real life situation. But with little information we have now and for a yaoi, not having those plot points to change the course of the story in more than 60 chapters comes of as cheap, dragging and nothing more than money grabbing for those who spent their money every time to support the author.

I had two issues with PotN regarding plot points: the kidnapping and the last rape scene.

The kidnapping was one that made less sense. Why a hitman will give himself such a hard time to kidnap the person he was supposed to murder in the first place? Was it to test Jihwa determination? If yes, what was the point for that? We are left with some questions. Furthermore, it was so anticipated to only last for how many chapters? Two? Two and a half? That leaves a bitter taste imo.

Regarding the last rape scene, I applauded the one where Seungho tried to force Nakyum to remember his drunkard first night, only because it wasn't a dragged scene. We know the rape scene was disgusting, and her choice of art orientation was the best: show less to leave a more gruesome shock value. For me, it was well thought.

This time, I'm fairly surprised that the second time the author drew this one and Nakyum expressively says he doesn't enjoy, (there wasn't any erotic aspect we have seen in other sex scenes) one chapter was wasted in it. You could analyze any way what was Seungho mindset in 63, you didn't need 64 to shove it in your face, that was pointless.

If we are in another plot point marked by the intervention of Nakyum's big sis and nothing change regarding the dynamic because the author only want to drag a characteristic as long as it makes money, I won't have any regret in not buying any chapter and I will wait patiently like any other person not buying it in this site.

All this only to say that the lack of character development doesn't make the plot any consistent. And every plot point we had by now should have changed one or another mindset at some point.

i like your points, they make sense! but i would still say that seungho getting more abusive and obsessive is in character for him. I think his character arc isn't him getting more soft or caring, but rather, him getting more possessive and violent. From the men he's slept with before, we are aware of the fact that seungho doesn't typically go for "violent" sex-- he's got men dying to be with him all the time. However, he takes what he wants with Nakyum. Similarly, he's never been attached to a "sex friend"-- he tried to loan Nakyum out to prove that once, and found it impossible.

Therefore, him getting possessive to the point that Nakyum "running away" breaks him into becoming even more violent and ruthless actually makes sense. I think the author could've done it in a more obvious way that made it seem more like character development instead of a repeat of the beginning, but overall, I think there is character development-- just negative development.

As for Nakyum, much like most ukes, he doesn't development at all. I hope he stands up for himself at some point! But yes, you're right, as of now, the plot is going in circles. I hope his sister coming switches it up a bit!

i read somewhere in here made a point of how we are consuming the content. we wair for it once a week so it seems like it is dragging on for too long. but if you read this in one go, the pacing makes sense and is more logical. just be patient i guess and also, i dont the author is pressuring anyone to buy. sure, they want us to pay for it but they cant do anything about us consuming the content in an illegal site so we dont have the right to complain if the author wants to drag the story for money. in fact, even if you are paying, i dont think you can tell someone to stop dragging the story because they need to earn. esp these times.

i dont think the plot is being repetitive too. this wouldnt be interesting t

I also really hope that the sister will make things move because when it comes to every single bit of secondary character we have been introduced to so far, they have done nothing, except for In-hun, as bad as he is.

Like I said about Seungho or even Nakyum, we already know how they behave, given the same causes, it will produce the same results.

Seungho is by far my favourite character. I'm interested in analysing every bit of intricacies the author put in his acts. Seungho's didn't change at all. There is no development in Seungho even negative ones. He was always like that. He was always obsessive of something and he just shifted from the paintings to the painter. There is nothing really new. Being more obsessive and possessive really doesn't add up as a character development for me.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but when someone makes a content to be consumed by people, there will be as much as praise and criticism that will come in the way.

If you take the Sonic live action for example, people complained that Sonic CGI face was horrendous, so the producers listen to them and change the content. But I don't think that every single one that choose to complain had bought a ticket for the theatre release or the home version. There are many instances where criticism made a creator change something without go far from his main objective.

I spend my money or not on a content like Painter of the Night, I can state it when I see that the story doesn't move forward. We can all disagree, but at the end of day, when there is money involved, I can assume I've lost it somewhere and I can express my dissatisfaction. That won't make my money come back in my pocket but I will make a decision according to that.

And if you are too much focused on the fact that I think that the story is dragged for money, you clearly missed the point of my rant.

i agree. you can complain about the story but I guess what i was trying to say is that I cant complain (or us, really) if the author wants the story to be longer to earn more. i just want to clarify that. maybe the way that is story is going is little dragging to you but not to me and it is okay if we think differently. :)

I think you're right about criticism-- as long as we're not attacking the writer, I think we have a right to talk about the story and express discontent with the direction in a civil manner.

But on Seungho's character development, I would argue that his obsession changed from when it was just about the paintings. It's notable that Seungho has NEVER been monogamous. He's slept around with tons of guys and never been able to keep sustained interest in any of them. For him to be obsessed with a person, moreover, a person who is not explicitly interested in him as well, is actually very different from what we've seen before for him.

He's entirely gotten rid of everyone else and spends his days obsessing over Nakyum. I think this darkening obsession that is so deep that he feels personally betrayed and slighted by Nakyum's "running away" says volumes about how bad it's getting for Seungho. He's neck-deep.

I think that's really important in his character development, personally!

If we go by what you explain now, it means that for example, if we have in a setting a serial killer that had, let's say one female victim per month, will be less of a serial killer if he abducts a woman and stay with her without killing again ? That obviously won't make him less of a murderer.

Seungho in the beginning needed the paintings or someone to blow him for him to be in mood for sex before, be it with Jihwa or another random lord. We can agree with the fact that he was never interested in anybody until Nakyum even before the idea of sex crossed his mind. It shifted when he discovered that he didn't need anything but the painter to make him hard, meaning having sex. For now, sex is sex be it monogamous or orgy ones. It's to cope with his trauma for whatever it is.

Him getting angry because Nakyum escaped is because other than be obsessed, he likes to be in control of everything and everyone. That includes everytime Nakyum yelled at him or says he is sorry. Note that Nakyum finds himself slapped or pushed to the ground every single time he wants to stand against Seungho. This time he was restrained. Everything his happening because he doesn't control anything about him.

Rather than a character development, the author just expands what was already implicitly exposed. What we need right now for the character development is for any minor character to make the change happening, expand every bit of background instead of leaving always people guessing, for a yaoi, that's really long and become more boring being exposed to a sex scene every second.

boring?? i feel like each chapter, people are more invested because they want to know if seungho will change.

more complain about this means that the audience is really invested. character development is not all the time needed to if the author intends to show them that way. who knows, maybe seungho will not change. we will see.

i think tho in ur example (going from killing regularly to kidnapping and keeping one person) IS a development tho. this serial killer no longer finds this person disposable, unlike the others. the same applies to seungho-- if ppl left, then he didn't give a flying fuck about it. if they had the balls to leave seungho, then they were dead to him and it was against his ego to express want for some one.

but with nakyum, he tramples his own ego. he used to make a point that nobody was important to him in the past, but here it's evident he can't even pimp out nakyum without feeling anything. with him becoming obsessive and pigeon-holing himself into his dependence on nakyum, that is actually a massive development from the beginning of the manhwa. he's never obsessed over a person before, and he had even been disinterested in sex. he went from having sex for the sake of having it (evidenced by the fact he had trouble getting hard) to then being fully invested in sex.

therefore, i think this is actually character development (albeit in a negative direction) for seungho

yall can now read the next chapter and formulate your next opinion lol.

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