Question from a non-reader!! Has this manga reached a satisfying point (like, are they an established couple or still in progress)? I wanna read this so bad but I don't want to start if I won't be satisfied when I'm done and have to wait for new chapters lmao
i'd say wait a bit more because we are left with cliffhangers and angst rn but their relationship is going pretty well and satisfying
So it's like satisfying from a relationship aspect but not from the plot? It's way easier for me to take a break and wait for chapters when it comes to the plot but I get really impatient when it comes to relationship progress haha.
This season is gonna get concluded soon right?
No, this actually impacts their relationship so just wait a little bit Maybe four more chapters
you have no idea how hard this question is i think i can say their relationship was going very stable and enjoyable but some past decisions caught up with them(?) it's not so bad so if you are okay with plot wise angst you should read (a harmless spoiler- ml is such an ass at the beginning but dw he gets so much better)
you can start now, i mean if u are going to read this u need to suffer just like us too y'know
Dang you just tryna drag me into the suffering huh
Well I already know that the ML is a red flag but I've been getting so many tiktoks with this manhwa lately so I'm just aching to read it, whether it's actually good or not
I was thinking maybe I could read up until a certain point so that I can take a break and read this ongoing conflict when it's over, if it's possible I can't predict how it goes before reading it
Well, the start was distasteful (i hope ur aware) but their dynamic (minus the r) was pretty funny and everyone enjoyed it. Their relationship gradually got better like, 20 chapters before the conflicts (5chapters from now) They are a couple rn but the current happenings was not good. I can only say its going well after they release the new chapter. So, we also actually dont know if it will end well on this current problem. But i can assure you that they are aware of their feelings rn and love each other
just read it dude angst will be over next chapter (hopefully)
u can read it! atp theyve both acknowledged their feelings already and have started living together domestically. its just that rn theres extra drama to solidify their relationship lol
They are inlove, they miss each other greatly but Eh is angry at Tj and Tj has some explaining to do. Eh is probably pregnant, there are lots of implications, start reading we are near the end
not probably, hes really pregnant
dudes stop giving spoilers, this person hasn't read it yet
Yeah
You can start reading this manga but make it one chapter per day. It won't leave you with cliffhangers like us
I already read it all LMAO oops
This was really good, much better than I expected going into it. Lately I've been tired of reading so many manhwa that just has smut in every other chapter, so to see one that's plot heavy and a little dark was exactly what I needed right now. My only complaint is the ending, it felt a little... underwhelming? Loved the storyline conclusion, but the relationship didn't really conclude. Or, it did, but without any talking, without an "I love you"... it just kind just became a normal relationship after the whole thing settled down. And considering all of Soohyun worries about tying Eunsung down to him I expected him to at least do something once the whole thing with Mr Park was over. And Eunsung worrying about Soohyun not truly seeing him for who he was and that he was stuck in the past. They just got over these things without a single conversation about it? I just find it a bit odd since the issues were presented but not properly resolved.
Other than that, great manhwa!!
I agreee, but I feel like when they had told each other that their gonna just go along with how things were alr, I feel like that was the way they were of telling each other that things are fine the way they are. and knowing both of their personalities, it doesn't seem like something they'd talk abt, I mean maybe, but that'd probably be in the future
This was so funny lmaooo. I loved Eden, he's adorable. And we always appreciate a reversible couple!!
I read this on a whim but I absolutely loved it!! Gotta watch the anime next. I want to meet the hero so bad, 100+ chapters in and we've only seen a glimpse of him RIP.
Who is the hero
The guy who was at the destroyed bridge that got decimated in the „Gozu wears oriental dress“ arc :)
I just love that "Gozu wears oriental dress" is an arc LMAO
Didnt know what to call it, cause it’s gozu‘s „im a strong independent woman that dont need no man“ arc, technically, where he wants to better his fighting.
But I knew everyone know what it’s about if I refer to his clothes XD
I never know how to feel about Saikawa. In one moment, he seems sweet and supporting which I love, but then in the next moment he has thoughts like "I don't want him to show his face to anyone else", "I don't want him to expand his social circle", "I hate seeing him having fun and chatting with other people". Seeing Sayama opening up to other people and becoming more confident is something that I personally love to see and is one of the reasons I actually like this manga. So to see Saikawa (who is supposed to be his biggest supporter and someone who LOVES him) just get upset about his progress just comes across as douch-ey and insecure. But at least he's trying to support him despite these thoughts, and he don't really say them out loud, so at the same time I can't completely get mad at him. He also did say that Sayama mends his insecurities which is positive. But I dislike how this manga seem to romanticize this aspect about Saikawa, when it really isn't something positive at all. I wish he would focus on feeling happy for Sayama rather than getting insecure about him widening his horizons. That would be great character development for him as well. But eh, I think I like him more than dislike.
Other than that I liked this a lot more than I expected. I really like Sayama as a character!!
Not really sure how I feel about this one. It kinda felt like a cheating story, because of the way the main guy kept getting seduced by Kazuha when he said he loved Rei? Have some shame… it was alright at first, but after realizing who he loved he should have stopped. I don’t know, it’s just a turn off to me personally! Other than that, like someone else said, they focused too much on the curing of DID rather than the actual relationship between the guys. I didn’t really feel the passion.
Agree
I agree too, I didn't feel comfortable while reading...
it's weird...
it's true that they are the same body with different personalities, but the author made the story as if it was a love triangle...
as if the MC was in a relationship with the ML but he started loving someone else, it felt like cheating..
and the fact that Rei created Kazuha to be the pideal character for him, then the MC started loving it and started thinking that it's okay if Kazuha was the host, it made me feel sad...
because from the beginning no one loved him as he is so he had to create all these characters..
but the MC instead of continuing to help him become one, he started thinking that it's okay for the two of them to stay and continue like this..
so, I didn't feel his real love for Rei and for me the story failed to make me think that they are one person, anyway I didn't feel comfortable until the end ...
I’m probably in the minority here but I couldn’t really enjoy the story despite the sweetness and lack of problematic themes. I just didn’t like the dynamic between the main characters. It feels way way way too heteronormative!! If you replaced the bottom with a girl no one would even notice, even down to his looks and his damn chest/nipples screams “I’m a girl in disguise”. Doesn’t help when the top is double his size and 10 times manlier. I don’t know, I just get turned off when the dynamic is too obviously straight coded, but it that’s just me. I liked the grandpa a lot tho!!
curious as to what you mean by straight coded? sometimes thoughts like these often fall into gender stereotypes i fear like short guys exist and idk … there wasn’t even anything stereotypically feminine about emu imo? like he was just a poverty ridden guy trying his best to make it through life, im really trying hard to see what’s making this be a het romance to u do all men Have to be masculine? is it just his physical attributes that make you think this? and then again.. what makes a man, a man in the first place that’s ……
There's nothing wrong with feminine/short guys. It was more of a feeling I got when reading it. I've read a loooooot of BL, many of them where the bottoms are shorter and less manly than the tops, and I don't get the same feeling. Here I did. It's been a few months since I read this manga now, and it was very forgettable to me so I'm really sorry, I can't remember the specific moments that gave me this feeling if I could, I'd list them for you. But trust me it was definitely not as simple as just emu being shorter or being feminine!! Obviously I respect you didn't see it that way tho
that’s fair!! sometimes some things just don’t feel right :’)
this is so real dont lt the haters get to u
honestly... Most gay people I've met are feminine
so i don't get why ppl hate it(im referring to general readers in this site) when the bottom acts like a girl—cause irl, most gay people ive been friends with are super effeminate. There were some who are a bit more on the masculine side but i just don't get the hate since feminine girly gays are more of majority than rarity. Masculine ones are more rare if u ask ur gay friends if you have some.
However i can tell why you feel off, This is very Cinderella story and its often associated in Shoujo manga tbh, that's why its giving you the vibe that its heteronormative
but imo, its not like stories like these can only happen in straight romance so i feel like its genuinely just you being too used to the plot in shoujos
i agree! if anything it’s important that we get gay characters having cliche stories like these too, feels weird to think that all men have to be masculine and strong etc etc
i feel like theres a difference between how gay men act and how the guy in this manga acts. a lot of gay men act flamboyant because its a way of recognizing other people who are in your community without flat out saying it, ex: "do you like girl in red" used to be a question that lesbians asked me to indirectly ask if i was a lesbian as well BUT only people in the community would know what that question actually insinuated
bl manga has come a long way but in a lot of earlier bl manga, the guy who got it up the ass was often beautiful, dainty, shy, etc, and that's because the main audience was women who wanted to insert themselves into that character without having to see another woman in love with the man (the ml) that she was attracted to
so i get the OPs point, this feels like one of those manga where the mc is a self insert for fetishizers because he acts like any other woman shoujo manga mc where shes all like "k-kyaaaaa!~ this handsome ikemen is attracted to me what do i doooooo >///<"
i agree that men dont have to follow the stereotypical toxic masculinity standards, but it does still feel heteronormative. for example, have you ever read a bl manga with two feminine guys???? two guys that act like the mc who are small, pretty, feminine compared to the other men in the story, and they're in a relationship?
that's what I'm talking about when i say that a lot of fujos just want to see a straight relationship but with two men instead so they can insert themselves into the character with the role of the "woman" without there actually being any women.
these days, pairings with both traditionally masculine men are more common, but there will always be more bl where one takes the role of the feminine one and one takes the role of the masculine one for that exact purpose. in the bl community in general, you'll always see the more dainty, small, and pretty one (whos always the bottom) be called the wife or something that just perpetuates a heterosexual relationship on a gay one and it tells you exactly what they want from the story
Totally see your point, but that's not really the case here. I don't mind feminine guys in BL, I don't even mind when one is more masculine and one is more feminine. In fact, in general I actually tend to like feminine men way more than (overly) masculine ones. More often than not, my favorite character in a BL is usually the one who has more feminine traits. However, there's a big difference between a guy being feminine, and a guy feeling like a replacement for a girl. And that's how I felt in this one, he wasn't just being feminine, it felt like I was reading about a relationship between a man and a woman. It just didn't feel like two men.
I also don't read that much shoujo, although I am familiar with the tropes. I've read other BL's with "shoujo vibes" and I STILL don't get the same heteronormative feelings about them. So that's definitely not it! It's more about how the relationship is treated, the roles between the characters and their dynamic rather than the plot around them.
Now this is exactly what a good fluffy BL should look like! It's a perfect example to prove that BL can have a healthy and consensual relationship with good communication WITHOUT being boring!! I had a blast reading the whole thing.
Reading roses and champagne was like sitting in front of a cake. Salivating and anticipating, you can't wait to taste it for the first time, for a long time you wait and pine for that goddamn cake...
And then the cake gets thrown out the dumpster before you ever get to taste it and all you get instead is a plain slice of bread. You will never get to taste that cake and you will forever be sad and bitter about not knowing what that damned cake tasted like.