I get that the female lead is overwhelmed with what happened to her but I don’t understand why she’s acting like a little girl. Like the stupid question she asks the maid about the bathtub (or whatever). Or her refusing to be washed by the maids which must have seemed strange to them. Like “hey girl Weren’t you told to be careful not to become suspicious?!”. She always has this extremely surprised expression on her face about everything. Isn’t she supposed to be a 28 year old grown woman? Why is she acting so weird? The original Emilia has much more character than the MC, which makes me wish this wasn’t a transmigration story, but a story about a headstrong but also short tempered and naive young girl who gets married to a boy who always seemed to get everything he wanted until he met his wife who told (yelled) at him in public that she despises him. And him being an arrogant prick wants to dominate her, which doesn’t work because she’s spunk personified. So they would both have to learn to compromise, grow up and come to a common consensus. But no. For some reason they shoved a transmigration plot down our throats for no reason. The MC is bland and has not much personality. This sucks ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
... I’m in my twenties and I believe that should I ever die and wake up in the body of an underaged queen, I’ll most probably go through a significant adjustment period
I’m with you. I’d like to think that I’d pick up the knack of things quickly, but even I know I can’t go from zero to sixty that fast; especially when you got people coming at you right and left.
well i think its all about personality ..fl had that dumb & meekly personality which can't be changed .. like i have seen a lady getting boss around by the children & she is so meekly she is just doing as she is told ..
Lol. I understand that. But as quick as this is moving along from transmigration to this guy knowing immediately that this is not his wife but an “imposter” and him explaining her life is in danger if other people find out, when the maids show up, every reaction is super wide eyed and confused and a flood of “what’s, why’s and how’s” about the most mundane and logical things. This grown woman has no preservation instinct.
She is really meek and dumb, isn’t she. Which doesn’t make this an enjoyable character to watch and root for. And that also makes me question her “fake” husband’s taste level.
I really don’t understand why mangakas would choose such a dramatic topic like kidnapping, revenge, rape, trauma, Stockholm Syndrom and being sold a as sex slave, when this has no real impact on the characters and their relationship in the end. Just do fluff if you don’t want your characters to have any real depth. All this shit “but I love him” is just bs to me. Unless there is some real Stockholm Syndrom going on that is addressed in a realistic manner, otherwise shove it. And not, “ he did all those things to me but I deserve it because of his trauma”. Happy End （/TДT)/
at how massive the light haired guy’s wrist are. ლ(´ڡ`ლ) So manly. I hope we will get a side story where he finally finds someone who will make him fall deep. Just leave the uke to that scary boss. Also, is it just me or does it seem to anybody that the sex scenes have this really harsh edge to it, like in hardcore gay porn. I can smell the testosterone. I have to say I like that they are all ripped but the uke is starting to annoy me a bit now with him becoming so dick whipped (⌒▽⌒)
I wanted the alphas to hook up with each other. Seems hotter
Spoiler.... ?
I’m checking out the raws and I get the feeling main uke having sex with the “main” seme, will just be an intermediate relationship and that in the end he will actually end up with the black haired seme. My reasons for thinking this is, the main uke thinks about the black haired guy a lot. He jerks off to him. The sex scene with his childhood friend was the most rushed and had less detail than any other sex scene. Even that one sex scene (flashback?) where the long haired guy rapes the main uke in his sleep had more detail. And I suppose that that guy was a main seme to the MC in another novel before the author made the childhood friend the “main” seme. Certain frames seem to suggest that. So I think we were jumping to conclusions just because main uke and childhood friend had some missionary sex. I bet that the uke is going to end up with the black haired sex pot (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Yes I ship the mc (person on the cover) with big dick (≧∀≦)
Wait Im confused now theres two people with black hair @-@
Can you explain again wkqldkrkwka
Oh wait you mean the top with black hair?
Agh Im confused now, do you mean Mr. Big Dick or the other black haired dude thats a top? Im so stupid
Ahh ok ok
Spoiler....
Keith is gutter scum. Aside from him being annoyed that the uke defended himself against rape, and treating him like shit because this homophobe got the hots for the MC, he’s also continues to treat him like shit after they have sex. After all these chapters of us seeing him fight his attraction to the uke and fucking around with women to take the edge off and finally giving in and physically admitting he desires the uke and they have sex (looked kind of forced), he goes right back to other women. The uke catches him and from what I was able to gather from the raws, doesn’t understand why the uke is pissed. This whoremonger doesn’t even use protection with the uke and gets him pregnant. I have to say, I unfortunately kind of understand where the scum bag seme is coming from. He never made promises to the uke and they are in a purely physical relationship and I suppose he assumes that the uke shouldn’t expect monogamy as he knew the seme always had multiple lovers. But why rub you still fucking around in his face? The office location he was discovered “cheating” in seemed to be purposefully chosen for the uke to walk in, as he’s this pricks secretary. So it wasn’t just an “innocent” assumption by the seme that the uke would know. He wanted to rub his face in it. I hope he suffers . And what is this I hear...the white haired guy who kisses the seme is his birth mother? Is that true? If so...ugh (╬￣皿￣)凸
Ok i didn't read the whole thing but.........WTF WAS THE LAST LINE (ʘ言ʘ╬)
Eww wtff??? Σ( ￣□￣||) kiss-ses his b-birth mother?!!
Lol. I’ve seen this discussed here that the white haired guy is Keith’s omega mother or something and that he kisses Keith. Not sure if it’s true but ugh
I’ve seen people talk about it on here so I’m not 100% sure if it’s true. I suppose this white haired guy is the cause for Keith’s disgust at male omegas in general?
I wonder how this story will continue. I suppose the seme is going to fall for the MC but I can’t say that I See too much evidence of that yet. He gives the MC glances that could be interpreted as him starting to genuinely worry about MC‘s health. Honestly though, all the seme‘s actions so far though look rather self serving to me. The condition for the Uke to be continuously devoured is that he has to be happy. So to make him „happy“ the seme assumes he could easily bring this forth by basic comforts through a date. Which yet again says something about the seme. From what we know, we can gather that the seme is not a human but some kind of „superior“ being. He thinks of humans like we do of pets. They can be nice „companions“ and such but we know (or assume) their depth of feeling and understanding are much more limited to ours. Thats what I think the seme sees the MC as. A useful pet he softens towards. But a pet nonetheless, yet. And as fucked up as him telling MC that he doesn’t need his consent was, the seme is a different higher creature. He sees humans at a lower level how we often see other animals beneath us. The MC is obviously depressed and almost seems empty shelled, the seme thinks he can easily make him happy because he doesn’t seem to get the concept that the MC would be terrified of him being used as a cum dump and later sacrifice.
I heard....spoiler.......
that the MC will actually end up with the childhood friend he had a crush on for so long. Honestly that’s kind of new in regards to how this webtoon is actually progressing. I kind of like the idea. But I don’t understand why the author spend so much time on developing a relationship between the uke and the black haired seme. And a really steamy one at that. The black haired seme is surprisingly filthy and totally into the uke. And that’s just hot as hell and makes me want to see them actually end up with each other. We don’t get too many scenes about the childhood friend but (that probably sounds shallow as hell) we get to know that the other uke says that this guy is boring in bed. So we now have a main seme, who seemingly is lacking in sexual skills. Doesn‘t really care about the main uke. Only gets a little pissed when he focuses on someone else. Immediately defends his hookup to his supposed friend and just seems really boring. On the other hand we have this sexy beast like seme who is completely smitten with our uke and from witnessing it firsthand, knows how to pleasure his partner. I love that he’s such a kinky bugger. So I don’t understand why the author gave all the sexy and endearing traits to this guy, if he won’t end up with the uke. While the main seme just seems like a cardboard cutout who doesn’t know how to fuck properly (〜￣△￣)〜
thankyouu!(づ￣ ³￣)づ
Fuck no I- The childhood friend should be alone with that son of a bottom stealer and then realize he was being played and then the mc ends up with the smexy black haired dude! The childhood friend disgusts me like-
Lol. That’s probably what will happen. What annoys me to hell is that the Uke‘s feelings for his indifferent childhood friend don’t seem to waver that much. He’s the guy he loves and nothing that happens matters. What utter shite. Omg. The black haired seme being such an animal in bed in regards to the things he does, make me tingle. I’ve rarely seen such hot and filthy sex scenes. And I don’t see the main seme being half as crazy in the sack, otherwise the other uke wouldn’t have said that this guy is boring in bed. It’s just one of many details that makes me prefer the black haired sex god. I mean, the childhood friend doesn’t disgust me tbh. He’s just not into his friend and he never asked to be pined after. What pisses me off though about him is that he becomes jealous because his „friend“ has a private life going on he doesn’t know about. Like, bitch, stop being a judgmental and hypocritical jerk to your friend as you also hooked up with that other slut from one moment to the next and don’t inform the MC about sour sex life either! Also, this other prick gets on my nerves to. The guy with the longer black hair. What’s his deal? Does he like the main uke? Then why is he also fucking that hoe bag on the side? Confusion. Lol, and I don’t care about the backstory of that other uke as he acts like a total asshole to the MC and wants him to die. I get the “Every man for himself” mentality but he didn’t have to be such a c**t to the MC.
It doesn’t make too much sense to me. If someone who did you and your family great harm, and you burn with a fiery hatred for that person (like Patrizia), you won’t break down crying when you come to know your enemy was abused as a child. Especially not a levelheaded and on retribution focused person like Patrizia. Of course anyone would feel pity for the child he was but not the grown man he is. Especially considering all the shenanigans he and his mistress were/are up to. I get the author wants to move their relationship along but I’m sorry. Patrizia is like”I want to go to bed and couldn’t give less of a frick if he is a crying mess” two or so chapters ago, to now suddenly breaking down and sobbing at his feet for him. Especially considering what happened during the trial. Of course the false evidence let the mistress off the hook, but the only thing she lost is her baroness title. He didn’t reprimand her at all. Didn’t break it off or distanced himself from his mistress. Which of course would lead Patrizia to believe that he doesn’t believe her. Or worse, if he does, he doesn’t care that his mistress almost killed Patrizia. Why would Patrizia sob for a man so desperately who doesn’t take even one step in her direction or cares even an ounce for her physical well-being? He doesn’t want to know or understand her. They only ever have “personal” conversations about his concerns. He never asks after Patrizia, doesn’t ask questions to get to know her better. To make a negative relationship turn into something more amicable, both people need to take steps. He just doesn’t. It’s always Patrizia who does something for him (saving the banquet, saving his life, taking over the emperor’s duties successfully, staying while he has a nervous breakdown, now sobbing for what happened to him as a kid) what has he done for her that comes just a little close to that? Nothing! He just disappoints her over and over again by his inaction and blasé attitude about everything (unless it’s about him, then the waterworks start) . So I don’t understand why she’s crying for him like they have a much closer relationship. (〜￣△￣)〜
as a novel reader, i see patrizia as depicted to be quite sympathetic but rational. although she still sees lucio as the man who sent her family to the guillotine (though that's questionable) she also empathizes with him. that doesn't mean she's giving in to emotions though. this breakdown scene is merely her being humane - someone capable of feeling pain for others. imagine hating someone for their sins then suddenly bombarded with his issues. plus, she didn't personally know lucio of the past (in fact, nobody but rose did) so she could only hate him for what he did not why he did it or what type of person he truly was. but now, she's a small step closer to understanding him as an ordinary person struggling through life.
you don't have to be close to someone to be able to cry for their misfortune. we're all humans and we're all fighting our own demons. patrizia simply did not expect lucio to have such the amount of demons haunting him
True this
Of course I agree that you don’t have to be close to a person to feel compassion and cry for what tragedies befall them. But I personally wouldn’t be so overcome with grief for a person who ruined my life and the lives of my family, that I would start sobbing for them. Where was the compassion on his part? Character transformations because of another persons influence are always a little shallow to me. It takes away self agency and responsibility the person carries. I can’t take him changing into a completely different person just because of Patrizia’s singlehandedly influence seriously. In the same vein, I also can’t take him changing into such a prick in the first timeline just because of his mistress’ influence, seriously either. A person has certain characteristics, flaws and strength. What and who we are exposed to influences us of course. But not so completely from villainous scum to tragic “hero” because of one single person (I guess unless you are raised in a cage and your abuser having complete power over you during your formative years). The mistress only played with what she saw in Lucio after his abusive childhood. He hardened himself to other people. But the things he did in the first time line, I can’t believe it was just because of his mistress. This might be an exaggerated example, but with Serial killers or child molesters for example, I feel compassion for the children they were and what happened to them, but I don’t have any compassion or start to cry for the adults they’ve become if they would tell me about what happened in their past. I can’t for the life of me, just ignore what they’ve done, regardless of the abuse they suffered as children. Anyways, with Patrizia, he’s responsible for her and her family’s misery. There is personal history here. So I’m not put out by her feeling compassion for what happened to him. I just think her sobbing on the ground for him is an exaggeration by the author to move the relationship along too quickly. Especially with him never giving anything back. Lol. Sorry for my ramble. Merry Christmas
MERRY CHRISTMASS ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Great perspective! Really liked your take on it. I see it a bit differently, more along the lines of others who responded but the thread you started was awesome. Thanks for sharing, so nice to see engaging discussions!
Lol. Thank you. This just gets me fired up when a rather villainous person gets the “I suffered as a child so I’m an asshole to you who tries to ruin you but please forgive me” treatment. Especially when a character who suffered personally from this person’s actions forgives and forgets and is so overcome with compassion they cry for what they went through and forget what this person is capable of. Forgets that this person is responsible for you and your family’s suffering. I also don’t like when a person like that has taken their responsibility taken away with the explanation that it’s just because someone else manipulated them. It doesn’t make a character look good but weak willed and foolish. In the new time line, he didn’t commit atrocities against her family yet, but the steps to her ruin have already been taken by him and he’s the same person who’s still capable of doing so. I heard...spoiler...
That Patrizia was chosen in particular because she’s barren and would give ample ammunition to Lucio to force an annulment to make his mistress the empress. Another poster made me aware that Lucio didn’t know about this which just makes this a plot weakness. First, how would anyone know Patrizia is barren and second, why wouldn’t he be informed about it? If an official court doctor checked for fertility, then why wasn’t the emperor informed of something that would lead to dynastic complications but his, at the time, untitled mistress was? That doesn’t make sense. Especially with Patrizia not really putting much effort into the competition. Third, while Lucio was rolling around with his mistress in bed in chapter 2, I think, he promised to make her his Queen (the term Queen and Empress are used interchangeably for Patrizia as well, so I think he wasn’t talking about making his mistress a second Queen but the only one), so there was a plan from the beginning to get rid of the chosen bride. And fourth, he changed the last challenge to that of physical health, so he knew that she was barren from the get go. It just makes much more sense that he knew and chose Patrizia so he could get rid of her easier. She’s not the best candidate and barren? Sounds like all the things Lucio could wish for to further his plans. I also heard that his mistress later gets the maitresse en-titre title (official mistress). After everything we see here he still continues on with his mistress, that’s why I don’t see Patrizia warming up to him. Especially so shortly after the trial. The empress accused the mistress of treason, false evidence was procured and got the mistress off the hook. That couldn’t be helped by the emperor. But Patrizia is also witnessing him still hanging around with her and her still having the same freedom and privileges as before. That would tell me a lot and I would harden myself against the emperor even further. I also learned that he later doesn’t sleep with her anymore, but honestly how does that matter if she still gets all that leeway to act out? He’s just so weak willed and half assed about everything. Those two women are running circles around this guy. Mistress continues on with her assassin and undermining attempts against the empress. Patrizia is trying to get a foothold against her. And Lucio is just standing by, crying over his past and leaves both women to fight it out. The thing that bugs me is that none of this would happen if he would take a stance of any kind here. Mistress is acting out because Lucio allows it and let her know previously that he wants to put her on the empress throne. We see many scenes where it’s made clear that he loves this woman, so I don’t see how people can think that it’s all the mistress doing that led to Patrizia’s and her family’s ruin. A mistress doesn’t have that power unless her powerful lover grants her that power. Patrizia crying so whole heartedly for a man like that, it comes off as a writing ploy. He sees how compassionate she is and softens towards her. He immediately compares her to how his mistress acted when he told her the same story. And this I guess this is the start where he sees them in a different light. But not because he’s intelligent and watched both their behaviors on the sideline and came to certain conclusions, but only because Patrizia was sobbing on her knees for him. So him being portrayed as such a victim, who has no self agency, while he is the cause for everything with his mistress being just a symptom, I just can’t buy Patrizia sobbing around like that. Lol. I’m so sorry for my long ramble. And I also love discussing things like this (づ￣ ³￣)づ