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Okay, explain this to me: the shrimp is 5’3 right?! But the height difference between him and “the giant” is only about one head http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/wolf_me_up/uu/iur_chapter-1/pg-16/ like it’s shown every time they stand next to each other... so wouldn’t that mean the giant is about 5’6?? That’s still so short for a 17 year old boy!! It’s below average for Japanese men (average height for Japanese guys is 5’7 and half an inch)... idk but this is so funny to me
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My mom is 5’2 and my dad is 6’1 and she doesn’t even reach his shoulders.... (both of their heights are official like on their drivers license n shit) and shrimp’s and giant’s height difference is about the head of the giant (the shrimp reaching giant’s neck) so it doesn’t make any sense if the giant would be max over 5’8 at best which would still make him average.... the height proportions are just completely off but it’s quite charming actually.
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Hen is toxic. He is a hypocrite and quite frankly, a bitch! Hen is so livid about the one flower Ivan got but then he accepts a whole bouquet from his boyfriend’s biggest rival and hen’s former crush... and this is an ongoing pattern. Hen always has an excuse for everything but won’t even let Ivan talk for one second. Hen always imagines the worst when it comes to Ivan even though Evan has proven time and time again that he’s a good partner. Hen couldn’t even decide between his bf and his boss for like 90% of their relationship and yet accuses Ivan of cheating ALL THE TIME.
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Again, if a person has DID they need to be in intensive care. It’s an extremely dangerous disorder and they are a threat to society but mostly themselves. I’m aware that this is yaoi and they use/exploit mental illnesses to make the story more “spicy” and won’t represent everything accurately but it’s reckless to take a disorder as rare and dangerous (and complex) as DID and not portray it as the threat it is. Edit: please read my replies. I never insinuated that people with DID are violent, harmful or bad people. THE MENTAL ILLNESS IS A SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND IT IS HARMFUL AND DANGEROUS BY NATURE, HOWEVER, THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DID ARE DANGEROUS. THEIR MENTAL ILLNESS IS. PLEASE READ MY REPLIES. I ELABORATED WAY MORE THOROUGHLY AND MADE IT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND!!
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As someone who is friends with someone who has DID I have never felt threatened by them or any of their "others" (personalities) they have never been a danger to themselves or others. DID varies between people. As you said some can be threatening and they can be a danger but there are a lot of people who live a relatively "normal" life. Please don't just say things that make it seem that all DID patients are dangerous and should be put in a mental institute away from society.
I understand your point of view but please understand they are people and even though they display them differently they too have thoughts and emotions and by holding negative stereotypes it will only hinder the development of acceptance for those who are sufferening from DID.
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Portraying people with DID as extremely dangerous and a threat (in films such as Split), fuel the negative stigma surrounding it and can hurt people that have it, or prevent them from getting help.
And while loads of helpful therapy is good, they don't need to be locked up in an asylum (if that's what u meant by intensive care), unless they are highly suicidal, are prone to violent outbursts and etc.
If you didn't want people with DID to be seen as extremely dangerous/violent, that's cool just be a bit mindful how how you phrase things.
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Yet this manga does portray a person with alters as being dangerous to others. We have seen how it manifests in the majority of his alters to be a sexual predator who has assaulted the MC many times over 3 chapters. The author could have still shown sex scenes, but where they are equally consensual. The MC doesn't communicate he has DID to his room mate, which in this case has made the room mate a victim of sexual abuse. This may come off extreme to say, but on paper that's just the facts of how the author has portrayed the disorder and nor very realistic either. The only potential thing to work with is the child alter who seems an potential answer in what triggered the DID. But once again it seems the author is exploiting a real, disorder that can cause great suffering to be all "tee hee, what character will assault the guy next, the smooth one, the kind one " etc which is cheap.
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Great that you have had good experiences with them but you are not them and you don’t know which struggles they face. Alone the fact that they have DID is very dangerous since they could easily “forget” what actually happened. A person with anxiety is also a threat to themselves just bc they have a mental illness. A mental illness as serious as DID cannot be left untreated and whether you like it or not it is a very serious illness which burdens the people who suffer from it greatly. I’m not spreading any stereotypes. People with depression all dislike themselves greatly, people with OCD all have obsessive mannerisms, people with schizophrenia all have delusions and people with DID all have multiple personalities. These are all very dangerous things. People shouldn’t always be accepted as they are, this is a very dangerous thing you’re stating. Anyone who has a severe mental illness should get intensive care.
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Please read my reply to @Junipertree . I assume I’ve elaborated a little bit further on my standpoint. I never said people with DID are violent, I said they are dangerous because they hold the potential of harming themselves and burdening themselves in ways which are hard to follow and because they aren’t fully aware of themselves they already have a high possibility to harm without being aware. The very nature of DID is dangerous. THE DISORDER IS DANGEROUS.
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Once again, read my replies. I’m fully aware that DID comes from trauma, a lot of mental illnesses do. I’m not spreading any stigma nor misinformation. My original comment could have been worded better but I assumed it was simple enough to understand, as previously pointed out to me, it wasn’t. I further elaborated in my replies to @Junipertree and the anonymous account.
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I did read carefully. And you were very clear in what you “implied”. In fact, it wasn’t even implied - you basically said people with DID are dangerous and should be out of society in psychiatric care. I’m glad other people are commenting and pointing your shit out too bc what you said was not right. And what’s interesting is that you’ve realized that you were misinformed (hence your backpedaling). Good.
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I'm just random anon and you are so fuckin pressed. People on this site don't care about rapes, taking advantages of drunk or drug users. They don't understand definition of consent, coercion, sexual abuse.
I hope you are so rightful in every of the threads.
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Where did I backpedal? I’m not misinformed whatsoever. It is very apparent that you haven’t read anything thoroughly and I advise you to do so before making claims and accusations. I said they shouldn’t be left untreated since DID is a severe mental illness. You wouldn’t knowingly let a schizophrenic untreated. DID is dangerous. It is a greatly burdening mental disorder. I never said that the person suffering from DID is dangerous, I said that they aren’t fully conscious in a sense of they aren’t aware of themselves. The very nature of DID is dangerous and threatening, not in a way you should be afraid of but in a way you should be aware of. Again, IT IS A SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS WHICH BURDENS THE PERSON AND THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM. Every mental illness burdens people’s lives and every person inflicted with a mental illness has influences on the people immediately around them (parents/caretakers/etc). @xielian_inlove , since you’ve blocked me I can’t directly respond to you... but great that you are being so mature.
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Ogawa Chise likes to create semes with a hidden struggle. Obviously the things Karino did weren’t right (which he’s also fully aware of). It may not be so apparent to everyone but Karino is emotionally damaged which never really seemed to bother him that much but now that he feels like he actually has something to loose it’s getting harder for him. Point is, Karino is a much more complex character than what some people try to depict him as. I understand and respect it if you don’t like a character but he’s definitely not just black or white, none of the characters in caste heaven are.
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OMFG. Nearly no living human being is white or black. Many criminals, murderers, rapists had awful childhood and background. A lot worse than Karino. It helps us understand these people, what shaped them BUT it doesn't justify their actions. There is NO EXCUSES. You decide for yourself and you are responsible for your actions. Sorry
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Did you understand what I wrote? Yeah he is not black or white. He had sad backstory. Like billions people around him. He should face consequences for his actions. Simple
No one say he is Satan reincarnated. But he RAPIST and it's a fact. Serial rapist.
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I've read the story. That's the problem.
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He has some positive sides. But the way you describe him, how you excuse his behaviour. How you all drag Azusa's faults to make Karino better but don't want to see Karino facing REAL consequences. Smh
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You seriously don't see it. You are saying that what he did was wrong... In the sentence you use BUT. You don't even see that you are making excuses for the guy.
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I accept your different opinions. I don't accept you making excuses and that you all can't admit that karino is rapist who should face punishment and you ship rapist with his victim.(in fiction, no one say you do irl).
Not making excuses and degrade Azusa in the process.
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When did anyone excuse his behavior? When did we degrade Azusa? I’d like to know what you’re referring to? But besides, Azusa and Karino as far as we’ve seen are ironically good for each other. Both have evolved a lot with the help of the other. If people in fiction would always pay the price for what they did it would be very boring. (+ how come no one talks about the yakuza or people who commit fraud in mangas bc when they kill y’all are quiet).
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I wasn't talk to you in that comment, was I?
Seriously? You think relationship with THAT past, several abuse, repeated rape and gang rape.... can be healthy? It's lazy written, half assed, incoherent psychology that doesn't make bigger sense. Imo
There are things that shouldn't be forgiven and they shouldn't move on like nothing happened.
Firstly it's illogical and bad writing. Secondly... How many times will we see the same from rape to love trope? You don't want to se something new, like Azusa taking his revenge? And Karino facing consequences? It's not boring. We never see something like that happens in yaoi. It would be actually really interesting and refreshing.
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I agree, these complex characters are what make the story interesting.
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No, you weren’t addressing me in particular but the person you were didn’t excuse his behavior either. I didn’t say it was a healthy relationship but as long as the characters are happy and resolved everything I’m fine with it. What I meant when I said they were ironically good for each other, is that the influence they have on one another is good and makes them more complete and functional people. Moving on like nothing happened wouldn’t be idealistic (to put it mildly), is rather have redemption and resolutions.
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I've talked with that person before and read their other threads. It wasn't taken out of thin air.
Also many people say that Azusa deserved all of that but they don't think that Karino deserves any real consequences and they make excuses for him.
I don't agree. For me their relationship is not only healthy but also written in lazy, half assed way. Azusa falling for Karino is so cliché and typical... Some things can't be forgiven and shouldn't be shoved under rag. Sorry. Karino should face some consequences. Maybe thanks to them he would change a little bit. Who knows.
Characters are happy as long as author writes that they are happy. It doesn't have to make much sense or be logical and good writting.
They should go separate ways. It would be the best outcome for their "relationship" imo.
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May be so. I see where you’re coming from and I don’t necessarily disagree with you, however, Karino did fundamentally change his “wake up call” so to speak was Azusa’s present in his life. Both of them need(ed) each other in order to become actual human beings, now whether they should be in a romantic relationship or not is just a matter of personal preference. (I’m not sure whether there are two people who replied to me anonymously but if they are, the debate with you has been rather pleasant and civilized).
Can someone tell me what the prequel is bc this is tagged with sequel and I wanna know what this is sequeling for??
This is the prequel
Ore no Oniku-chan
It’s the story between Kou and Chiaki, the characters in the coffee shop! Masaki was introduced there! http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ore_no_oniku_chan/
Ah okay thank you, just for clarification tho, they aren’t the main characters/pair in that one right?
Thank you :D
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ore_no_oniku_chan/
you can find in "other manga by the same author"