I feel so sad for both of them. Sungho really is in love and obsessed with dohyun. He loves him so much hat he’s desperate to not let him leave his side ever again.
Dohyun looks like he’s remembering everything now. Dude’s probably so conflicted about having feelings for an ex lover/rapist
I think dohyun just realized that he had nothing. I feel sorry for the guy having such an abusive past and being betrayed by the one person he gave his trust. They’re relationship now is messed up, but I still hope they can be together. Im not saying they both had done nothing wrong, but I believe everyone has a chance to improve, especially sungho. What im sure is that they really do love each other. Are we to say that just because things went wrong then they cant love each other? What defines love anyway? Is it the “appropriateness” in how it developed? Is it a feeling? These are questions that makes the plot so addictive, we, the audience, are on internal conflict. We know what sungho did is unforgivable, we know that dohyun also made some immature decisions in his life without thinking of the consequences to other people, but even so, they mutually love each other. And we somewhat want the two of them to still be happy together. It’s so messed up, I love it! The author/s are amazing at making the story relatable to a lot of people
I can't agree more
I laughed so much when I read “relatable” and thought about being chained in a warehouse for weeks while being fucked by the guy I fucked.
Just everyday things HAHAHAHAHA
Not that part HAHAHA thank god no HHAHAH but a lot of women have experienced feeling disgusted in a relationship where men have manipulated them into doing things against their will, but in fear of losing the person, they do it anyway. Well in my case, it’s somewhat like that. I’ve been single for a long time because I felt so disgusted at the things I did for him. I resented the person and I hated myself as well. It’s been years and yet I feel so dirty
So true ╥﹏╥
That’s the thing, this world IS fucked up. We’re used to always reading and watching good things happen, out here, things don’t always happen right. There’s a lot of things that happen in the world that none of us can imagine or accept. We are in this bubble, we label love as something that is, and can only be, perfect, right, proper or correct. That it can only be allowed if it is “correct” or “within the bounds of humanity”? Where do we cross the line of what is “love”?
I find this manhwa interesting as all of us here have different perception on the material because we have different experiences in life. I enjoy discussions like these
This is naive, even more so than people who think love can justify terrible things. Love isn’t something necessarily good or ideal. Have you ever been in love? Ever wanted so badly to be with someone? Yeah, some people control themselves. Others stalk them online to relieve the jitters. Some kidnap them.
You shouldn’t conceptualise love as something inherently good or bad, because it’s not. It’s just a feeling that drives people to do things that can be good or bad, however. Love isn’t some ideal feeling you get that makes you do only good, so don’t picture it as that because that’s unrealistic. Love can motivate a lot of things from good to bad, but your own morals should dictate what you do from there.
Completely agree with you. People here are confusing love with morals. Love can be horribly fucked up and still be love, but that doesn’t make it right. It’s problematic to see love as something that will always be good and right because it takes away the reality of things and what people actually are.
I totally agree with you.
Couldn’t have said it better. I appreciate stories that don’t adhere to the typical formula of love can only exist in ideal situations. Because it’s true, it happens, it doesn’t mean that it’s right, but this is a story, I don’t think we should protest the author’s freedom at making the story the way they want to, for if we have, this story never began. May it be good or bad, im glad to have read a story like this because I rarely find stories that make people debate the concept of love, not the definition of love. Because love cannot be defined, it is felt, in different kinds of people and situations.
I’m happy to hear from you and how we discuss on this I do agree on you in a lot of things, im sure both of us are excited how the author will develop this story further. I do hope that they end it the way they planned it from the beginning and not how we want it to, be it good or bad. It’s been a hectic month for me but reading this manhwa sure got me out of a slump lol
Like I said, I think you’re misconstruing what love is. No dictionary definition has ever attached any positive or negative connotation towards the intense feeling and it’s not helpful for you to insist that love is always positive and good. What happens when you get mildly jealous? Is it still love, then? By your definition, no, you shouldn’t get even a little jealous when you love someone. Sure, that may seem sound, but what about people with insecurities from things like abuse or betrayal from when they were younger, who can’t help but feel anxious over their relationship? That to you won’t be love too, because love has to be healthy, positive and always good. Do you see why your thinking of love leads to a lot of problems?
What I think is a better conceptualisation is that relationships SHOULD be healthy. Relationships on their own AREN’T necessarily healthy and great. We see a lot of fucked up shit that goes on in relationships. Likewise, love isn’t NECESSARILY healthy, good and positive. But you should aim to be good to your lover. Saying that love is always good is oversimplifying things and also problematic, because it ignores that the world is never in black and white. A lover hides his disease from his wife because he thinks that’s the good thing to do and that’s love for him, but his wife may not consider it good. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her. A woman protects her son from gunfire because she loves him. That may be the right thing to do to her, but not her son who has to live with the guilt forever. What would you consider those instances, then? Obsession? Infatuation? Loyalty? All these alternatives don’t make sense.
Love is not pure or inherently good. Sangho (I forgot his name, yellow eyes) loves Dohyun, I suppose. But terming it as love has nothing to do with acknowledging that they are in a very toxic, horrid relationship and shouldn’t be together.
^ I’d just like to add because I forgot to: your definition of love means that very few people on earth is capable of loving someone. E.g. A person grows up being bullied and constantly doubts his self-worth, making him anxious in a relationship whenever he sees his boyfriend with someone else. Sure, it’s not healthy. But to say he’s not capable of loving someone because of that seems quite extreme. Just because he feels anxious doesn’t mean he will forbid his lover to go out with friends. You can love someone, feel anxious yet control yourself behaviourally because that’s the right thing to do. For me, it’s not true love will only make you feel good and do good. Love can motivate you to do many things, from wanting to be with someone to wanting to make that person would date you, but whether or not you do them is another question. Love isn’t pure and shouldn’t be treated as such.
This looks like it’ll be a ride