shizu-chan's Topics (761)

Geez calm down, it's just a story lmao, don't take it personal

I kinda agree. I think the whole thing after the kidnapping part became a little irrational. like the author is trying to drag the story somehow... like Seungho was super raged for 2 chapters and then suddenly nothing?
but for the Seungho's anger part.. if I remember correctly nakyum did tell him that he didn't run away at first and I think there was a mention that the doctor suggested that it is unlikely that he ran away (haha I'm not sure tbh). Seungho being angry and raping Nakyum was an obvious response.. I think most people including myself are angry at him because we expected some sort of character development until now. he just jumped to a conclusion and hurt nakyum.
And as for Nakyum. he was grabbed unexpectedly and blindfolded and expected to die any second. that is terrifying. it doesn't have to do anything with injury it is a psychological response. being blindfolded again reminded him of that day and I think that is a natural response for anyone.

I think what made him realize he didn't runaway was when he started freaking dafuq out. the other guy coming in spilling the beans was just the cherry on top as to whom actually kidnapped him. As far as the sister we still don't know why she told him to run away (or maybe we do I can't remember). I think she probably assumed he was in that village with the teacher.

ahh, i didnt realise being blinded folded, gaged, having what ever that metal thing was againts your neck but then later being let go and then getting told your body would be mutilated if he uttered even a single word about what happened wasnt enought to be traumatised? huh... the more you know i guess ╮(￣▽￣)╭

You obviously don’t understand how trauma works. Someone doesn’t have to endure a long period of time for an event to be traumatic, and it has nothing to do with being “sensitive” or not.
How is Seungho getting a jolt from someone’s words idiotic? It’s not that he “believed” him, it was more that those words helped him connect the dots. He knows about Jinwha’s feelings, so the other person saying something like “at least he returned him with all his limbs intact” is not a confession of anything. Those words just gave Seungho enough pause to connect the dots that he was probably already suspecting. What he did to Nakyum doesn’t have a justification, but it’s understandable that someone as volatile as Seungho would react in anger first then once he cooled his head he’d be able to connect the dots even without prompting from “a random npc”.
And finally, how is the sister hypocritical? Wanting Nakyum to run away to find a better life for himself is a bad thing? And I think her question of “where have you been?” Was rhetorical. Kinda like saying “what kind of hell-hole did you end up in?” Just because she told him to leave and not look bad doesn’t make her a bad person. She wanted something better for Nakyum and hoped that him getting away from the kisaeng he’d get that better life. In the end it may prove true, but at the moment all she saw was a broken Nakyum.

For your question. Yes, you can develop trauma over a kidnapping even if you didn’t get beat up. Trauma isn’t caused by physical pain only. And it makes sense for a human to get trauma from this. I mean two hours is a long time, especially if you’re tied up. It’s a feeling of being completely helpless that can F someone up. Plus with the added rape from Seunghoe his mental state would (realistically) already be weakened.But in the end it’s fiction, anything can happen I suppose.

Critiquing the story doesn't mean you're taking it personal, you troll

So she probably went there first looking for him. Maybe to bring him back because everything was better at home. Heard about him being taken away by the lord and yeah...

Nakyum telling him he didn't run away doesn't mean anything...why would he believe him when the evidence was so clear? Not to mention he was angry at himself for being vulnerable and then being betrayed??
AND YES it was an obvious response THANK YOUUUU people wer freaking out like it fell out of the fucking sky???
YES CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. The author really dropped the ball on this one...I mean, he redeems himself NOW??? Just after the arrival of the NPC and nakyum freaks out??? Gtfo lol. So illogical!
Yeah, nakyum the poor guy. Shitty luck. Oh well.

Yeah, it isn't enough after what he had been through until then. But then I guess you'd have to have some brain to figure out that if they really wanted to hurt you, they would have. There was no ransom, no nothing...but nakyum, being who he is, is obviously TERRIFIED to the point that he could no longer even think rationally. Not that he has shown signs of doing that until now...oh well.

yeah like...he has no trauma whatsoever from the non stop high levels of stress he was under SINCE THE SECOND SEUNGHO CAME TO FIND HIM....and all the insane shit he did to him or made him do afterwards.....but 2h from being kidnapped is the only thing that gives him ptsd...wow....it makes sense he has ptsd, but not this way. this makes no sense. and sorry, i am not taking this seriously at all, i just wanted something to enjoy, and expected this to be qualitative as it was hyped so much, but it ends up being pretty art that seems to try to overshadow how absolutely nothing in this story makes sense in the end.....it just seems to gonna be another criminal rapist seme who is gonna be excused cause after all the shit he caused, uke fell in love cause his dick was so magical it erased all repercussions every time it entered him and erased all bad thoughts and seme was healed from his fucked upness by getting withdrawal symptoms from the idea of never being able to use that amazing butt again...that oh so special different butt that only he ever used....WHAT AN AMAZING LOVE STORY

I like the optimism but I doubt it. I'm sure she has her reasons but her arrogant appearance and pretending to fight seungho for him out of the blue is so random??? Idk

um you're doing too much. and what? you want seungho to continue being mad for something he's LITERALLY in the wrong for? all this time, his pent up anger towards na kyum was because seungho is a possessive bastard who thinks he owns him and couldn't believe that na kyum would dare to run away from him, his anger was just him acting out on his hurt and betrayal which ofc isn't right but it shows he wasn't just randomly angry at nakyum. NOW that he knows he actually didn't run away he obviously gonna feel weird considering the fact he acted out like that and made na kyums life even more of a hell by not wanting to listen to him.

also trauma can happen to whoever, however. he literally was already going through so much with seungho, then to just be randomly captured and threatened. do you really think nakyum would just go on like it's another day? not to mention the fact he couldn't tell anyone and was bottling up his feelings, it's literally normal that his ptsd blew up the way it did. and it goes with the story


as for the noona, let's wait and see what happens. idk if she was the same sister from the previous sister or a new one, but let's see how she herself redeems herself.

I don't think you understand what this story was.... it wasn't a LOVE STORY. It isn't supposed to promote a healthy relationship????? Where tf did anyone get that idea?!?!?!? Do you see a romance genre next to it??????? This is supposed to be a fucked up story. Didn't people figure it out in the first 30 so chapters?!?!?!?!?!?
The story has turned disappointing but not because of the rape and etc etc.. but because it makes no sense?!?!?!

Yes, I want him to be CONSISTENT with his own character?!?!?!?!? If he acted like this BEFORE he confesses his feelings, like say in the first 30 chapters???? I would get it. When he got mad furious after realizing he was betrayed by nakyum after he confessed, I understood that as well. Him calming down SO FAST just because an NPC said some shit is so illogical?!?!?!? He would never believe him??? Like he disregarded the doctor and Mr. Kim etc this is so weird I can't.

Y'all defending this trauma...nakyum has LONG accepted, not even accepted but even initiated sexual advances. He "gave in" to being here, and came to terms with staying with seungho. "I'm waiting for you to go home with me" he said....lest anyone forgets. After seungho confessed, he was a blushing mess etc etc. I get how scary this might be, but I'd expect this kinda TRAUMA if the assassin had at least beaten him around a bit or kept him kidnapped for at least A WEEK???? I get how y'all up in arms with this but to me it is simply too illogical??? Idk

Yeah that noona...god, as if we need more annoying NPCs.

Oh. I know. I was being sarcastic dude. I come from west europe, so sarcasm is in our veins haha. I know it isn't. It obviously cannot ever be romantic. But I cannot shake this feeling some want it to be. So many people talk so absolutely delusional about Seungho and the relationship he has with Nakyum....I was hungry and saw this update just before breakfast and all the insane nutcase comments below, so I just blew up a bit more passionately. I mean, imagine being on this website, starting a manga and liking the art and the start of the story, suddenly it is another rape that is being treated like it was nothing, people in the comments go crazy as if it is some kind of shakespearean love story with eroticism to it and no deaths etc. and when you comment your opinion saying how you disliked the rape glorification, although it all seemed promising you get stuff like "it is just fiction". BRUH.....anywawy....it happened with famous stuff like killing stalking and warehouse, too. EVEN WAREHOUSE! So this being ongoing, and people never stopping to try and make it less harmless than it is be it here, other forums and even TIKTOK, I feel kinda happy to have found you guys. Finally someone who understands what this is about...it is not romance, but a twisted tragic story of people who might have had romance in another dimension.....but all we need now is logical human reactions and consequences to all that has been set in motion....


and for real...WHERE DID THAT SISTER POP UP? I found that weird, too. Nakyum was going through stuff, and she comes now? Like convenient magic? And that dude who everyone just believes and who magically solves the run-away missunderstanding...sure bro....

and yes....seungho is a possessive sadistic person....

preach (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Hahaha it's alright. People cam believe what they want to believe...that's what fiction means. I don't think the author means to portray this as a "healthy relationship" from the get go. I mean... it's not about romance. But that didn't make the story useless or toxic etc. This isn't a romantic story but it's still a great story - even with the horrific parts. As long as they have meaning and THERE IS REDEMPTION WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
THis? This doesn't make sense one lick.

Yes seungho is sadistic and possessive but he's still the most interesting character so far in this story. Nakyum is the eternal victim...even as his character devolves or evolves...people still seem him as a victim and nothing else.

Stories like K&S and Warehouse are important too because they're not promoting anything but psychological war that goes on. Fiction is the only place where people can write about such characters. Warehouse was so good...
I had high hopes from POTN too, and I personally was really looking forward to Seungho's development from the kidnapping arc but NOT LIKE THIS??!?!? My baby has been done so dirty

Lol whatever makes you feel better about your rant ╮(￣▽￣)╭

He has been raped by Seungho for all season 1 and some part of season 2 and yet he only developed PTSD just at the convenient time for telling about the kidnapping without really telling. Seungho almost killed him with a rape marathon in season 1 but he starts to be triggered with a panic attack only when he reminds the same words of the assassin. OP is right, that's too convenient and the storytelling sucks

It seems that you had really much in heart. Even if I agree with you, I will try to answer to your questions point by point.

I'm also dissatisfied by how the events of the kidnapping were unfolded, it was one of the weakest arc (if we can consider it as one) of the entire manhwa. It was really anti-climatic for all the building up that was behind.

Considering Lord Min as an NPC, doesn't do really justice to the character. It is certainly one of the minor characters but think another way. Who was the one suggesting to Jihwa to kill Nakyum ? Who was the one making Seungho realise that he was falling in love with Nakyum? He said it himself that he can always count on Jihwa to make him entertained when it comes to Seungho. He is the mastermind when it comes to all that happened leading to the kidnapping. Read chapter 36 and chapter 47 back to back to understand what I'm talking about.

Seungho was presented to the readers as someone cunning, who is a move ahead of some people, but when it comes to Nakyum, all those characteristics go out of the window. There were many hints regarding Nakyum running away, but he was too blinded by anger to see the ones providing his innocence. If he has searched thoroughly, he would have found. He didn't want to listen to his servant trying to persuade him. Min being a noble, Seungho is more eager to listen to anyone with a status closer to his. He also noticed Nakyum's bruises on his right hand when he raped him, bit didn't give it any thoughts. When he learned the truth, he is gone for the same hand and placed it in his forehead, he already knew something was off and he just confronted his own stupidy.

About the trauma, it is possible as @Pacgirl said, I will even add that it wasn't the two hours only that lead to his trauma. He was also locked up by Seungho for a day, raped all night and he lived the same scene as the kidnapping with the hands tied and the obscurity, before that Seungho threatened him twice. It will be too much for anyone to take.

For the sister, you can dislike her if you want, fine. We can only speculate when it comes to Nakyum with his kisaeng sisters. We know that he was happy with them, but he was also growing older for him to stay there. Maybe there is a event we don't know of that lead to his departure, but I'm sure of it that his sisters liked him very much. A little correction though, they didn't tell him to run away. They told him to go with In-hun as he liked him and wished for his well being. They advised him not to come to the kisaeng house anymore. She even added a little information that Nakyum despise nobles and would have never come there on his own volition, which is true.

I don't really think that Seungho will want to let Nakyum go even after those events. It will be a good subversion of expectation, but knowing the author I highly doubt that.

Thank god someone gets what I'm trying to say.... thank youuuuu

Yeah I never thought the story was amazing, I am literally the person who reads it for the sex scenes and nonsensical drama. I won’t go on my full on rant about this story that I’ve had since chapter one. But I don’t think this story is anything great in terms of presenting mental issues in its writing. I do think Nakyum reaction to getting traumatized by the kidnapping is realistic. Along with his “acceptance” of how he gets treated by Seungho. Which could be seen as textbook Stockholm syndrome. BUT if that was the intention, I don’t think the author shows it all too well. For example in the story warehouse there was a period where the MC just broke down and went full on stockholm/mind break, but before that it showed his panic and struggle, and the initial trauma he experienced. Not that Nakyum never panicked, but there wasn’t much escalation. Like his mental state skipped a step. Now before anyone gets on my case for this. I’m not saying mental issues in real life require steps, the human mind can be rational, irrational, and unpredictable, but I’m speaking writing wise. Though I expected Nakyum to breakdown at some point. There’s not much in between to give the reader a hint that Nakyums mental state is deteriorating, which is why his trauma feels quick to readers. Of course I do think another way the author could’ve dealt with it was what shizu recommended which would be extending the length nakyum was kidnapped for, and adding some physical abuse.

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36 and 43 for the chapters with Min and Jihwa.

That is what I mean! WOW! Haha...I feel so grateful that someone gets it, too. This makes no sense at all. None. His ptsd sure is understandable, but that he ONLY has a reaction to the 2 h kidnapping and not the "being raped into a coma" is kinda.....especially all the mental and emotional abuse he went through always fearing to fucking DIE because he doesn't do what seungho wants and not just serve him normally but have to watch him fuck others and than having to accept him fucking you later whenever, however and how long he wants...and what people seem to never want to understand is....that RAPE CAN FEEL GOOD....yes....and that is why so many rape victims have such insane mental issues.....cause they felt good from being raped....rape is rape....even if it feels good....the feeling good is just your body reacting to a stimulus if you want to or not and to some extend is also survival instinct....if your body can, why should it not feel good and rather only feel pain? it is very complex, but yes. and people don't wanna see that....and the author is showing a bit in nakyum, in how he got quieter and meeker and like seemed to be "empty"....which is a weak form of a normal symptom of trauma after what he went through....i pray he will show it all properly if he finally is not tense anymore cause he is in life and death circumstance 24/7 and can properly let it all sink in and show a reaction....i want seungho to suffer from seeing how he broke nakyum and realise he nearly killed this kid....i feel seungho went through some kinda sexual trauma hismelf....so if yes, i would almost be happy like a real sadist myself if he suffers even more cause he finally for fucks sake thinks with that rusty brain and realises he did the same if not worse to a vulnerable person whom he also even loves....irony bitch....i want nakyum to be able to go live a nice life please....i want him to learn from this as well and be strong and independent and confident and one day may be find a proper lover for life or what .... and seungho be the bitch who slowly withers away realising that he could have had that, but he was so lost in his twisted way of seeing the world and HUMANS he broke it from the get go...

especially when your life depends on your rapist....this is what you call STOCKOLM SYNDROM.....starting to feel postiively about your rapist cause of survival instincts...so you won't always have to feel the torment of the actual rape, but lie to yoursel fit is consensual, cause else your brain will self destruct...

I know he is a "provocative" character and was the one that hinted jihwa to do something to do with the painter...but it STILL doesn't make sense that seungho would believe HIM pf all people in the mindset he was. Him being surprised by Nakyum's WAY too delayed PTSD reaction - tbh it looked to me like he was realizing that he did to him what was done to him in a fit of anger and he was regretting that, NOT realizing that he was kidnapped. Lmao that would make even less sense than this bullshit.
I'm calling this lord an NPC because despite his intentions, he's not someone who would sway Seungho's mind when he's THIS crazy mad. Lmaoo...if he did this way later in the story when seungho had fully taken out his anger on nakyum's annoying sister, and nakyum as well, I'd take it. It was too rushed...
This whole kidnapping arc was built up and then squashed so illogically...this was supposed to be Seungho's redemption arc NOT JIHWA'S hahahaha

I get people who wanna take nakyum"s side because he's the eternal victim...but I can't take it seriously when the build up was so huge but the kidnapping was just for 2 hours and that too with no injuries whatsoever. You're telling me he got scared shitless by some threats by a stranger when seungho had threatened him much much more for most of the story????? Sorry it is too ridiculous.

I get the situation at the kisaeng but why tf is she acting like a vigilant justice hero when her telling him he should never return is literally why he couldn't run away when he was at his lowest point...also, it seemed like in hun had abandoned nakyum for A LONGGGG time before seungho found him. Sorry but her offended and 'I'm here for you" seems so cringe.... I'm lowkey upset to see her introduced here so randomly????? Idk

I must say your comment works as a great recap of some plot points for me.
And as someone who doesn’t get what the author wants to do with Seungho at this point. You summed up pretty much why I’m kinda bored of his character now. Before I was interested in his character as he was the typical high tempered person you usually hate in these rapey stories, but he also had a brain on him which made him feel a bit more original. This brainless version of him we’ve been seeing in these recent chapters only disappoints me. I don’t expect him to be Light from death note levels of strategic and observant. But I expected this arc to play out with him coming to the answers himself, without needing a blunt, Dora the Explora like, hint from green dude.

Isn't just so convenient NK's got minimal or no trauma after SH's mistreatment?
And that later SH tied him in very similar way to assassin's bondages and it caused the attack?

Exactly...

Min is a cheap Deus ex machina at this point if I can say it like that. It would have been better if Nakyum spilled the beans to double down the fiasco that was the kidnapping, but the author, with her fondness for smutty scenes is gone down the road of rape for Seungho's anger management. Everything doesn't really make a sense but like I said Seungho can easily lend his ear to anyone of his status. As for what he was realising that he was reversing roles for NK, that could be the case. I was talking about the afterimages Nakyum had after Min and Seungho's convo.

Concerning Nakyum, I don't really like the eternal cute victim characteristic. For someone who came as struggling his own way when antagonizing Seungho to behave now like classic cliché uke is a downer. His trauma caused by Seungho was shoved in his ass when he gave into sex after In-hun called him a prostitute, so that's also a weak plot point from the author.

I won't complaint about her introduction since that's the way the author wanted her to get in the plot. Like I said we don't know the events leading to him not having the privilege to stay with his sisters. Maybe, they thought it was good for him to stay with In-hun and I doubt that the learned sir in name would have kept in touch with the kisaeng. Even if we know as the readers that In-hun probably abandoned Nakyum, it wasn't the same for Nakyum. Why would he still love the one who abandoned him? He loved him before and it's not the case now. I won't hate her for now since her offense is valid given what she knows. Where does she say "I'm here for you"?

You had me at Dora the explorer! But I totally get you!

YESSSS I totally agree...
Tbh I really like his character because it HAS some character to it lol. Even Jihwa is a more interesting character than literally the main character (i.e. nakyum)
You have nooOOOOO idea how long I've waited for someone to say that Nakyum's going down the "I'm a whore because in hun said so" road. Nobody wants to believe it, but he's the one who gave seungho the green light, that he really wanted to be fucked by him (he said that in his own words a lot of times) their sex has been consensual for an odd 20 chapters now at least. Even if he was doing it to become his "whory self" - I was sooooo put off and annoyed by that development in his character, because he knew exactly what he was doing but everyone insisted he was still a "poor helpless victim" - no I think he grasped the situation and adapted (unfortunately he had no choice) but now again...he goes back to being one-dimensional....
At least in warehouse, the traumatic shit the uke went through (which was much much worse) and he CHANGED himself.... not going "round and "round in the same circle of crying and weeping every chance.

HE SHOULD have told seungho! Even if it was scary...didn't he know seungho liked him?? Lol. I understand why he was freaked out, but bruh... it's been 60+ chapters, you've seen a lot of shit, this shouldn't be a shock anymore aish! I'm really disappointed that seungho didn't save him from the kidnapping and dealt with the nameless man and jihwa reveal should've happened like that....ugh....oh well, let's see.

This was so weak...I can't Min casually insinuates Jihwa and seungho is "oh shit you're right. I messed up! Thanks buddy??" What...is happening....

I'm reserving judgement on his sis, but rn I'm not thrilled about her random appearance. Especially how she entered the story...there's something annoying about someone who comes through long after you needed them. She should have told him "you can go with your teacher but if you have nowhere else to go, you can always come here" - like she totally abandoned him?!?!? We're not even sure if she's his real sister so whatever. Maybe I'm just pissed off about the story overall to appreciate any new "heroic" characters appearing out of the blue to deteriorate the plot into an even more cliché mess.

Agreeddd ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

Do you know where you can read the novel for free ?? Link please ??

Is that mtl and can i get the link?(๑•ㅂ•)و✧

It's on novel updates

Would you have a link to the novel?

Link please

SKEOEKEKEOEKKSJEM I NEED THE LINKUE ┗( T﹏T )┛

I MEAN WHAT CHAPTER

link pliss

It's the last one

THANKSS

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I'm so happy to finally hear smth like this, it's been annoying to hear all the 'they need therapy, joowon's horrible' stuff in this comment section.(๑•ㅂ•)و✧

YESSSSS people who are upset are probably taku stans who are suffering fron 2nd lead syndrome to notice that taku is actually the toxic one for a change. His character is in my least favourite bl characters of all time - manipulated haesoo, fucked him every chance he got (even when he was sick or even when his friends were there), knew haesoo wasn't over joowon and took advantage of him when he was at his lowest, dude....I can't believe rooted for him. Joowon on the other hand...bruh,hands down. What a chatacter. What a character development. Wow. This isn't over and it makes me sad that they'll take a break from each other but finally end up together too. Phew! This manga was so good. People who hate the ending or the story can get bent.

thank u so much for this comment i completely agree

They're Shizaya...shizuo and izaya from durarara! they're not exactly a bl couple, but they are in the fandom. The first loves of my life hahaha

I dont think this is the end maybe the end of volume 1 cuz its still on going we may have a hope

I saw someone said this is only volume 1 out of 4 volume so chill

Hopefully

Theres usually "to be continued" even when volume 1 ends or it says "end of volume 1" if there isn't, we've been clowned lol