lavender_infinity

Lol what do you mean by user? Isn't it normal for your best friend set you up with your crush? And he isn't even that serious about it....

Don’t you find it odd that every single time they meet, it’s about a guy we all know he can’t have. It’s even more upsetting that the friend that’s doing it, isn’t even being fully honest with him either. It’s like a game of tag and no one’s winning.

Tbh I don’t really get that impression. When they meet, they seem like super close friends, brothers almost. For plot’s sake, their convos usually seem to mention hyun, but the way the author set it up tells me that it’s not a serious crush

The friend is boycrazy which matches his age, they probably talk a lot about his crush. That is not weird. Look at this way, if the guy you liked was in the same class as a close friend of yours, would you ask him to introduce him to you or at least create scenarios where you guys can interact?

These are high school boys you're talking about, it is not that serious.

Maybe it is cultural shock... but it is very common approach in South Asian country. So, very cliché move from him.

Understandable it’s just a read and I’m just pointing out my opinion. I named my feelings on it about friends using each other to get a person to like them. I don’t really care much for whether it’s serious or not. It’s like a show for me, I will talk about my feelings on it.

It could be and I respected it. I just feel if you can’t confess yourself and make the moves yourself. You shouldn’t be dating yet. That’s my general view in the book. Not the book itself though. It’s a good read but the best friend really does piss me off a bit. Like, I would rather the person that has a crush on me to come up and tell me themselves. Like why am I hearing that from someone else?

That’s literally the basis of the conversation. He’s always talking about a boy, which makes me question that their friendship is a bit one sided.

I can see that. But normally, I just go up to them because I’m a bit of an extrovert. So I never relied on my friend and I was a bit mature in emotions and feelings on how I handled them in high school. So, any person I liked heard it from me. I was always the one make sure the person I liked knew it was personally me. I didn’t do the messager thing. But I can see you point!

I too personally don't like this approach. Chances are you might get cuckooed.

Exactly! And that’s the issue and just look at the friend that was put in that position to get close. Now he is catching feelings smh.

You kind of sound like a mature person really I like your mindset(⌒▽⌒)

While I happy that you have always been that way. The ml's friends is an introvert and I don't think is fair that you get to call him annoying and an user because he is shy and in his little 15 year old mind it made sense to have his friend introduce them.

Your point would have made sense if....
1) Your bestie was already friend with your crush;
2) Your bestie did not outright tell you he disliked your crush;
3) Your bestie was not annoyed/displeased by the whole situation.
The thing is that he forced his bestie to befriend his crush so he could introduce him... When did he consider his bestie's feelings/best interests in the process?

Again while it would have been nice for him to be considered, please remember they are teenagers. Most teenagers are not mature enough to understand what they are doing is wrong. All I ask for you to give them grace and be kind to them. Because every teenager has done something stupid in their life at one point or another. And I promise you, you’re not the exception.

You think he is shy and introverted? That is by far not the impression he is giving. He pretty outgoing in my eyes. And trust me, it’s just my opinion and what I observed. And are you telling me, someone that comes up to you, and literally makes all your encounters and conversations about a boy and what you should do for him to just jump in like a natural encounter almost all the time, won’t be annoying to you? Your either a saint or you have really amazing friends.

Exactly what I’m saying!

I can tell you, that no here thinks they are exception. But is it wrong to call bullshit and let a teenager know when he is being selfish and inconsiderate? No. How do you expect them to learn? Especially, when his best friend is put in a rather uncomfortable position. I understand their teenagers but that’s still not an excuse. You think just because a kid is a kid, and a kid hit somebody, we should give them grace because that kid is just a kid? No. We teach them that’s wrong and is best to use their words to express emotions. We hold them accountable not enable them. Just saying.

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Around his crush, yes. And maybe you’re right, I had different types of friends so I guess that’s why I don’t find it so odd.

Hitting someone and being inconsiderate are two very different things and I never try compare them. I see your point completely and that’s why I guess we are all here reading a story about teens we want to see someone call out their behavior and grow to be better people.

And another thing, even though they are teenagers. I get that having grace and kindness for them but if we made this a real life encounter someone would eventually have to call him out on his shit. Because half of the time, the reason why teenagers grow up the way they do; disrespectfully, ignorant, rude, selfish, self centered, and barely emotional in tuned with themselves as adults; is because no one called them out on their shit. No one actually hold them accountable because everyone including their friends were too busy being kind and giving them grace. Which only meant that the people around them, robbed them of a teachable moment that they'd have to learn much later in life and that's always more rougher after high school.

What his best friend is doing is using tact and being rather very manipulative because he knows his friend cares, after his friend basically EXPRESSED his discomfort and the fact that he didn't like him. Why would you still put someone in a position to still do that after expressing they'd rather not get involved. However, I'm not saying the friend that's doing it is any less guilty or annoying because they obviously said they didn't want to by their actions and words. That should have been the end of the conversation and his foot should have been put down. But the fact that his best friend still put him in that position, says a lot more about him than it does his friend. Because one...
1.) He knows the guy he likes is straight (theatrically, since from the last chapters, that could change.)
2.) He knows his friend doesn't like him (Again, this can change as the story progresses because that's the point.)
3.) It shows his distasteful character and how he operates when it comes to his friendships. Like everyone saw, if his best friend refuses to get close to the guy to give him the means of an opportunity to get with him, he gets mad. Like what? （￣へ￣）And I saw someone said that it's not a serious crush but imagine losing a long term friendship if just once you refused to do something they asked and you said no and it wasn't a serious crush? Because that's honestly the impression that I was getting. Not saying it would happen, but that's the impression. And now that his friend is getting close to his crush, look happened. They kissed and neither of them hated it. This is why you also don't do the Messager thing. It puts you at a disadvantage. Understandable that they are your best friend but they are still human at the end of the day. But truthfully, even a high schooler should know that in this day and age. So, I can't really be kind and give them grace when their actions and words ain't matching. I didn't do that for my friends in high school and they are better for it. So, I'm hoping his friend gets smart enough to call him out and have him take responsibility for his own love life and decisions and own that. Because not only will he not get the guy, but he'll also have to deal with his friend getting the guy. And that will be a big teachable moment. I don't know exactly how the author will depict that and show some depth in his character. But right now, shallow, selfish, annoying, and boy crazy he will be to the masses, for those that accept it or not.
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I'm comparing the two, because hitting someone is basically being inconsiderate of someone's body and personal space. Inconsiderate is an adjective that is basically used to describe multiple situations and circumstances in which a person is careless or thoughtless of another person.

So, that's either feelings or someone's personal space or physical being. So, it's not actually different. The actions are different but not the consideration since for both actions, you still have to be inconsiderate to do either or.

Okayyyy

You’re absolutely correct

" All I ask for you to give them grace and be kind to them."... Fam, there are 2D characters. We don't have time for that.

You absolutely right! It was just a fun discussion