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okay, was with you until that last paragraph.


I have zero idea what sorta absent unfeeling mothers you've known in your life either personally as family or as friends but thinking that a mother missing her child/children and wishing they were alive with her even in a new timeline is some unhealthy traumatic obsession makes me feel sorry NGL.


Can't imagine what kinda emotionally starved and detached children are being raised up like this in your environment if that's the kinda mothers you know who don't care for their kids.

First of all, my mother hasn’t been teleported to another dimension and turned delusional. Personally I wouldn’t be overly concerned, FL is surrounded by enough caring people to help her heal and accept her reality.

However her behavior is dangerously unhealthy. She’s completely consumed by her obsession and keeps risking her own life without hesitation.
I’d never want my mother to behave this way, seek therapy to cope if this is normal to u. Death isn’t the ultimate end, she’s experiencing this firsthand yet refuses to learn from it.

The only thing I agree with is her desire to protect her children, but she should do so in a safe and rational way. Her attempts to permanently return to that dimension and search for her unborn children in her current world go far beyond reason. That’s delusional behavior.
Women like this are too attached to the material realm, maybe spirituality would be of help because this is objectively unhealthy. She should spare her current surroundings a glance. Souls are infinite

How would people being around her all of a sudden stop her from wanting her kids all because of "healing".

That makes no sense at all.

In fact it's the healing that would intensify that bond and longing, it doesn't erase it.

And she has the power to travel dimensions too, so how is searching for the right dimensions where get kids are a delusional goal?

This makes no sense in context in-verse, she's a special existence.


And another thing being her recklessness, how do you think the saying no risk no reward came about.


You may be right in saying that it could be toned down, but to want her to turn almost robotic would be friggin wild and illogical.


emotions rule for a reason no matter how much one can proclaim to "control" it.

You’re going in circles when I’ve already explained to u everything that’s there to be said. This convo is clearly no longer worth engaging with if you’re not willing to listen.

She has had 20yrs to deal with her emotions, if that doesn’t sound absurd to you, then idk what to tell u.
The very fact that you deem other human connections aside from that of a parent-child to be unworthy is strange.

Sorry I’m used to dealing with my emotions in a sound & healthy way.

Please, i know what sound and healthy is.

Parents who lost their children still miss them for many years on end and wish whatever unfortunate incident they lost the child in didn't occur.

Women who unfortunately accidentally experience the loss of a child in the womb still have it sit with them mentally for decades on end and think of what could have been.


These people are not mentally sick or wrong missing a child like you'd want to believe them to be, there's no freaking official time limit on this shit like you're trying to apply.


What you speak of is just pure detachment at it's core.

Bruh, that last paragraph is concerning. I mean this isn't just a time regression plot where nothing has happened yet, it's being teleported to another dimension. And she can go back to it anytime, so the kids definitely do exist.

I know you're treating this like Wanda (from Marvel) stressing out about her non-existent children in her own dimension, so she seeks the ones from the other dimension, but those children already had a home and a happy life, and most of all, their own Mom. So Wanda had no business obsessing over those kids that technically aren't hers.

Meanwhile, Leoni actually bore her children herself, she raised Emil herself, and she knows he's out there somewhere, pitifully wandering the woods alone with her jerk ex-husband.

And the one in her belly didn't just "unexist", she knows that baby is somewhere in the world. So she's desperate to find that baby because it's been born, but is now missing.

Exactly

You were doing well until the last paragraph, in this part you screwed up

I couldn’t post my full review since it was too long, so I’m gonna add onto what I said in the replies, although it will most likely get deleted as well.

It’s almost ingrained human instinct to notice the crooked doctor’s obvious attempts to sow discord between them. Something was obviously afoot. Yet time and time again, she proves herself to be selfish and irresponsible. For instance, she didn’t even bother to check what movie she begged ML to watch, which ended up triggering his trauma and turning him into a public spectacle. That was the last thing he needed for his recovery. And then, she allowed that doctor to torture him further.

This man lost his entire family, his friends, and became disabled, only to be treated horribly by his own wife. He even took on the duchess’s responsibilities, drowning himself in work while she got to relax with all the luxuries at her disposal.
She’s been a spoiled brat her whole life. When has she ever faced any true suffering? She couldn’t stand the attention not being on her for once. All she ever thinks about is herself “Why isn’t he focused on me when his life is in ruins?” Even the servants could see how dead wrong she was. I’m baffled that she’s still carrying the same mentality after being reborn.

Honestly, she disgusts me. Her sheer stupidity can’t excuse all her decisions, she’s just shameless.
The quality is good and while it may be a good read, I’ll never side with MC, she’s one of the worst cases of victim complex that I’ve ever had the unfortunate opportunity of witnessing.

first, the time the story takes place is when there was no improvement in psychology or any science, it's like saying "why did they pull out teeth with pliers" that's cause they didn't have the technology & knowledge! second nowadays doctors trick people to do things they don't actually need, then think about the time when most of the people hadn't enough education.
third, FL shouldn't be all mighty & rightous, & the ML is not a villain. the problem is the readers always want to put the blame on a character.

You’re not actually saying anything nor have u addressed any of my points lol what an empty response. You don’t need to be a medical expert to see that something was seriously wrong. That man was clearly being tortured right in front of her, and his condition kept getting worse while the doctor acted incredibly shady. Any functioning adult with a brain could recognize that he was being used as a test subject for something completely new in the medical field, something with no basis or evidence to support it.
She had all the resources at her disposal. If she truly cared for him, why not hire renowned doctors from around the world to weigh in on his condition and this sus treatment method?
Being willfully ignorant doesn’t exempt her from being a co-conspirator in his demise. She’s very much responsible for what happened, and I’ve already overexplained why. Maybe you should work on your comprehension skills before jumping the gun to become white knight 3.

It’s downright pathetic how people like you act like every char is perfect and can do no wrong. MC isn’t some helpless child who doesn’t know any better, she’s a grown woman who keeps making terrible decisions time and time again. She doesn’t get a free pass just because other ignorant ppl want to make her out to be a saint. She’s accountable for her harmful actions, plain and simple. Hope that helps, bird brain.

I couldn’t have put it more eloquently even if I tried. I wish the pov wasn’t hers. She’s not a savior, she’s not even smart…

Anyway, thanks for the great review

you didn't understand my point either, miss all-knowing. where did i say Madelyn's a saint & Ian's the abd guy? lol. if you think my response is empty you can read it again baby. i don't think you have to be rude because not everyone approve your belief.
what i said is true if you search about it, not everyone who let doctors do that treatment wanted them to die or hurt them, it was a valid treatment in the past! if you don't know they use it now too, but on worst case patients not people who just have PTSD like Ian.
search about them first then jump at me, lol people like you like to force their opinion & i don't know why, but i don't think i deserved to be insulted.

how much i read my previous cm idk how you read that to think i became Madelyn's knight & where did i support her deeds! i clearly said FL shouldn't be all rightous, if she was there wouldn't be any story! stories start when something's wrong, like when the FL find out her bf have been cheating on her & etc. here, she did him wrong & that's why she came back to past to try treating him better, if she didn't hire the doctor they would live happily & the end of the story

It certainly wasn’t seen as a valid treatment by everyone, there were PLENTY of criticisms about it even back then. I think you’ve only heard one small part of this history and immediately took it as the only valid truth without looking up other perspectives, like this author ig. Reality isn’t one dimensional, maybe YOU should’ve done your research before spreading false historical “facts.” What you’re doing here is trying to absolve the MC of blame by claiming that “no one is perfect.” But her actions go far beyond just being a flawed char, she’s caused and continues to cause too much harm to still be seen as a likable protagonist or a good person, for that matter. Only a saint can do dm wrong and still be viewed as a good individual, so there you have it. She IS to be blamed.

I have no issue with flawed chars, Medea is my all time favorite. But using that as your response to my detailed critique, where I’ve laid out every reason why she’s so terrible? Yeah, that’s not it. Go glaze her in your own comment if you want, but your response to me was far too foolish. Ppl should think twice before jumping into a convo without a valid argument to back them up. Hold your tongue if you’ve got nothing meaningful to add.

You said it all very correctly. Madelyn wasn't revived just to escape her own death, but she was given the chance to make better choices. Unfortunately, she has a very limited and self-centered view of life. That's why things are the way they are.

Worse than her is Isabel.

Thankyou <3

Indeed, it’s very unfortunate that they’re written this way, because otherwise it’s a great webtoon. I’d rly like to know what author was thinking ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

even those most ppl who knew that as valid did it & fucked ppl up already, plenty criticism would never stop doctors to do that.
i didn't say you are wrong, i was talking about the part you said Madelyn was stupidly letting the doctor doing so & i said in past ppl didn't have enough knowledge to know how harmful it is. now you can easily get to know lots of things with your phone & in past you needed to dig into libraries.
my point wasn't that "cause she is not perfect she can do wrong". i'm saying she is not perfect & does wrong but that's the course of the story & if she knew her wrongs the story wouldn't be this long.
whatever, i don't think you would understand me & i don't want to hear your insults more, thanks for reminding me to not ever response to any human on social media.

Augh I just knew her defenders also have a victim complex. Afterall what else would drive one to excuse her actions, besides identifying with her char. Lady you’re not going to make me out to be the villain after failing to back up your own perspective of the MC. Trust I’m even more tired of ppl constantly coming at me with nonsense. Goodbye!

Agreed with everything u said!! Btw very well said

Thank you~

(╹◡╹)ﾉ Here's a little recap and another perspective.

FL's main purpose in returning was to make him happy no matter what. She was here the second time around for her atonement. Before clearing the misconceptions she had in the first timeline, she believed he died because of her, because she forced herself on him and their marriage, that she made his life miserable, and he died just like that.
Their miscommunications from the first timeline had hurt her and she resented him after his death from all the pain until the woman she assumed was his lover delivered the ring he commissioned for her leaving the words "he told me to give to you." Which led her to search for answers and coming to a conclusion all on her own then eventually brought her to the mage that help her rewound time at the expense of hers, to grant her most desired wish, and that's to make him happy.
She herself admitted that she had been selfish during their first timeline, this time, she wanted to make it up to him. She's doing all that because she loves him then, when she was a truly evil woman, and now, that she has become matured and wiser due to her past experiences.

The misunderstandings from their past were cleared after wounding back in time, but the fact that she only had 1 year regardless of the outcome of her wish remains, so she had to do everything in rush to fill his life with people and he won't feel alone and miserable like he was in the first timeline.
His aunt was infuriatingly judgemental-for a justified reason that doesn't make her actions right- but FL can't be a chooser since ML had limited people in his life, and she's his only closest kin.
FL appeared to have begged the Aunt, but she actually played with the her mind, appealing to her using her emotions to lower her guard and trust them. That's the easiest way to deal with deeply manipulated people like her to get the best result that FL wanted after weighing her options. Yeah she could just demand the ring but that will only push the Aunt away and hide the ring to oblivion. ML might be more isolated in the future when FL's gone and that's what not she wanted.

Her drive for doing all of that was because she loves ML, and she already resigned herself that his happiness don't reside with her because she already lived a life that it didn't, and it's hard for her to think otherwise because that traumatic phase of her life was still fresh as yesterday to her. She's not over it. She can't see herself as a victim either because to marry ML in the first timeline she did a lot of bad things and she's owning-up to it.

FL didn't entirely come off strong with her actions but she was graceful with it. She never lowered her dignity and ML wasn't stepping on her, in fact FL was the one stringing him along in both lifetimes. It was obvious ML also had feelings for her in the first timeline, but because of his circumstances, he never knew how to convey himself, which was his shortcomings. Since FL was being straight forward with him in the current timeline, ML was baring himself to her more often. She disturbed him in unspeakable ways.

Also, it's a bit harsh to say that because he had been to war, he shouldn't deserve what FL was doing for him. He was sent to that godforsaken place while he was still a child. He's not innocent, yes, but "innocent puppy characterization" isn't the right term to what's happening with him. That was vulnerability and It wasn't an act.
ML was known as cold in the public but often finds himself acting out of character around her cuz FL just always got her right where he's vulnerable. He's not used to people having him by his weakness. FL pointed out in the recent update that ML tends to put up a wall and take care of his problems alone. FL relates to him because they're the same. This stirred him so much because she knew him all too well while he's already attached to her yet knows so little about her and felt like she could disappear at any moment. Then every time he asks, she never gives him a clear answer. That's frustrating and anyone would act out of character in a fit of emotion.

Yeah, the way they're dealing with their situation is clumsy, but that's realistically how beginners react to something novel to them, like what ML and Fl's current relationship is. They are just learning to navigate whatever the two of them have at the moment.

The reason she's not acting like the other OP femme fatale FMC like in other stories was because the point of her story wasn't the same as the others, her character plus backstory and goal didn't call for a highly dominant character narrative.
It's true that there are FMC's that lost their original characterization, but our FL here is not it, at least not yet. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Your comment is just on point!mc is annoying and pathetic,just from the second chapter i already desliked him,like,following the ml around even thought he ignores him and clearly don't want nothing to do w him and mc almost forcing his way into his house(i was really hoping the ml would just close the door on his face lol)acting all friendly even in their first meeting ugh i bet those two people who desliked your comment wouldn't want to deal w someone like mc in real life lol someone who can't take a no and is one step from being a stalker