I know MC has been picked apart and conditioned ever since he was just a kid, but at times I get rly frustrated and just want him to run away. He’d have enough money for a ticket to Thailand. But he doesn’t know any better which is sad
As much of a scumbag as the ML is, the other chars are so much worse that in comparison, he’s borderline mc’s saviour from his current situation. Otherwise his future would’ve looked a lot grimmer. I can already see MC landing himself in a lot of trouble due to his stubbornness and selective attitude for the ML.
He doesn’t have the kind of wits to make good use of an opportunity, which he isn’t to be blamed for, but once again, it will make the ride frustrating
They’re very cliche and predictable chars, with a more witty personality, things could’ve been a lot more interesting
The story wanted to portray the MC as a tragic victim taking revenge on a groveling scummy ML, but the execution totally backfired. Instead the ML is the true victim, while the MC is an infuriating, self-sabotaging mess. Honestly it’s almost entirely him hurting himself.
Time and again, MC recklessly attempt to either kill or rebel against ML without power, leverage, or strategy, repeating the same doomed cycle.
His actions aren’t just futile, they endanger everyone around him. If he truly cared about his people, why does he keep making the same mindless mistakes?
Most of it stemmed from his crushed sense of pride, but c’mon, he couldn’t even deal with that much for his ppl?
ML shockingly has been more than forgiving, sparing both him and his allies despite repeated betrayals. He even cleans up after MC so to keep him safe from his crimes. This wasn’t even a usurper who seized the throne through bloodshed, it was a fair conquest. Yet the MC’s resentment is so irrational it borders on stupidity.
In the end, his poor judgment gets his brother and allies killed. And their deaths weren’t even the ML’s doing. The blame falls all on the MC. How did someone with such poor judgement ever rule an empire? All the tragedies could’ve been avoided if he weren’t so senseless. He could have had it all, but he threw it all away.
Honestly, my sympathy lies with the ML. His entire world revolved around the MC, and every choice he made was tied to him. He started out on a bad note by forcing the MC against his will and making him his queen, but given the era, an emperor claiming someone wasn’t even considered immoral.
Unlike typical toxic MLs, he never abused the MC, if anything he literally worshipped him as if he were a deity. Even in the end, he kept his promise and protected the empire. That’s what makes it so tragic, he gave everything yet he was never enough for the MC.
I was take aback when they finally faced real consequences, with no plot armor to save them. Turns out the author just wanted to wrap up that timeline to send them back in time. All so the ML could suffer twice over for no reason sike.
By the end, it didn’t even feel like the MC truly loved him, just that he gave in because the ML refused to let go. The author made both the ML and Yun so obsessively devoted to the MC that it stopped making sense. Poor Yun got it worst, he died for the MC in both timelines.
This manhua didn’t give me enough reason to side with MC, ML is lowkey the protagonist here
Reading this feels like I’m trapped in a genjutsu. Because truth is, ML is utter scum and hasn’t changed one bit—he’s simply holding back due to lived experience.
FL only has partial memorises, therefore she’s getting scammed in this relationship due to not remembering the full extent of his cruelty towards her.
On the surface they’re this shippable power couple, but beneath the facade lies the uncomfortable truth.
What I can say about the current FL, is that she’s a natural white lotus, she’s very cool. And that goes for all the other women by her side, they’re all so cool. Her family are the biggest victims in all of this, they’ve to bear the burnt of her terrible decisions, yes including her terrible man.
ML should’ve been throughly tortured before being granted a chance at redoing life. And I bet the other scum version of himself will make a comeback later down the line to further taunt FL.
The people trying to equate her obsession with him in the second world to his actions have lost it. These two things are incomparable.
Well in the current world didn’t she also kill all his siblings and like multiple people to “put him on top”?? Like she is just him form the first world, even the manga says that the second world is just the opposite of the first.
In the first world the ML becomes obsessed with the FL, uses his power and status to marry her, and kills the people around her under the guise of “loving her”.
In the second world the FL becomes obsessed with the ML, uses her power and status to marry him, and kills the people around him under the guise of “loving him”.
Him treating her shitty in the second world is the same as her treating him shitty in the first, the difference is it doesn’t seem as bad when you see an obsessive ML being punished for being obsessive compared to an obsessive FL being punished for being obsessive.
The difference is that she gained nothing from him killing her relatives, and since she deeply loved them, it left her emotionally scarred for life.
His situation however is completely different, those killed were not just his brothers but also his political enemies. What she did was more or less normalised in a battle for succession, her actions secured him a position of power far beyond hers, whereas he trapped her in a room like a caged bird. Moreover, he never seemed particularly close to his family to begin with.
She also never cheated on him. This man slept around left and right.
In both lives, she was the more miserable one.
Looking beyond just the kill count, the emotional impact and circumstances make it impossible to treat these two situations as the same.
You’re forgetting to mention the fact that he didn’t want to become king in this life, yeah it’s natural for siblings to kill eachother for the throne but he didn’t want it nor was he qualified to be in that position.
To him she literally just killed all of his siblings, it doesn’t matter whether or not that decision put him on top when he didn’t want to be on top in the first place.
Also bringing up the fact that he’s cheating in this life as an example of him being shitty just isn’t fair when he doesn’t want to be with her, he’s cheating because he feels trapped in a relationship and position that he doesn’t want to be in so now all he can do to get back at her IS cheat.
I don’t even know if I can say she’s the most miserable in both lives, she’s just the one who’s easier to sympathize with, especially since in the world where she’s the obsessed one we’re following her POV after she’s already done all the crazy shit and we kinda just have to hear about it. In the other world we saw her reaction to the crazy stuff he did in that world, in this one we don’t get to see his reaction to the crazy stuff she did.
Honestly (sorry for the long reply again lol), I think it’s just a power difference. You don’t think she would also try and lock him in this world if she had the power to? Or that if she had gotten pregnant by him in the first world that she would try to kill their baby the same way he tried to kill it in this world?
Love this author for writing chars that behave like actual adults, as well as their portray of adult dynamics. I like how the chars aren’t senseless and their behaviours are mature yet sweet.
It’s so sexy compared to childish characterisations that are oddly popular in this industry.
Too bad they never continued with a s2, I could already tell they were on a time crunch due to how rushed it felt.
Uke is too sheltered and stupid, he be making it more difficult for himself. Kidnapper turned into his babysitter
The slums is clearly the result of a system of oppression, no wonder uke’s kind is hated by everyone else. Although he himself is a good person at heart, their kind isn’t standing for anything good in the world.
I won’t side with elite scum. In his own way, kidnapper is trying to do good—prolly coercion by kidnapping the future head
Hestia is Hailey Bieber’s twin idc
LMAOO
A girl could dream and she got it LMAOO WHEN US
I also don’t like this authors other work’s MC—Hestia. She seem to have a knack for creating annoying MC’s, ig she sees herself in them which is honestly pathetic. They’re both so boy crazy, Hestia gives me Hailey Bieber vibes lmao.
Uke has a nasty and nosy personality, but it’s on brand for kids that grow up without proper adult supervision. That’s why a lot foster kids continue getting kicked out of homes, they cannot behave themselves and this is unfortunately due to a lack of ingrained discipline. Humans need to be trained like animals from a young age for them to function properly in the real world. We’re very much a part of the animal kingdom.
Eitherway, his attitude is nastyyy—granny deserves some respect, he also fabs out in the open, and tries snooping around where he shouldn’t. Honestly all of his characteristics are that of an annoying char, which I dislike.
It’s pretty obvious he’s going to be ML’s downfall, be it him having to leave the underworld or getting heavily injured trying to save his stupidass. Which may be well deserved, given he’s not doing anything good for the world, but at his heart, he’s still a good man and that’s hard to hate on.
ML is a load shark and drug dealer, naturally he commits gangster crimes, but his bottomline is sleeping with a minor lol. It’s unrealistic but I can respect that.
Ngl uke kinda grosses me out with his behaviour lol, it may have been a tad bit better had it not been for the outdated granny attire, but I also don’t dig chars that behave loosely. First meeting he was already grinding on the man, c’mon even prostitutes have more tact.
Just to clarify, the author's other work is an adaptation of a novel, so the mc there is not the author's original creation. I'm not sure whether this work is an original or adaptation though
The audacity of calling Mc's personality nasty when you're one yourself. You can dislike a character and the story, but taking it out on real kids who couldn't even choose their circumstances and how they were brought up? That's real nasty right there
Triggered a nasty ho
Whatever bitch
You sound like an abuser, you shouldn’t be around children. Hopefully you don’t work I'm social services because you’re a straight up weirdo.
ur mentally deranged yabbadabbadoo
Hmm I don’t really find her unlikeable, but I get why some people might. Her reaction to her third husband seemed pretty normal to me, she still had his back.
I wouldn’t have wanted anything to do with him at first either. She’s clearly dealing with her own traumas, which makes her avoidant actions understandable. Her and the current Rutger are adorable together.
I appreciate that she didn’t suddenly turn into some overly cutesy toddler just because she regressed in time. Keep acting ur age. As for her father, any punishment is too light for him, he needs to be tortured for at least 80 years x tnx
At first, I thought everyone in her life treating her so badly felt unrealistic, but then I realized this type of treatment is actually pretty realistic for a woman to experience. She did have a few reliable people by her side tho, and they (along with her) deserve the best. The first prince really went all out for her, and his life was so tragic. I’d always feel guilty toward him. Thank goodness she did right by him this time around.
The char that annoys me the most is the half sister. The only reason MC didn’t take her down immediately is for the sake of the plot, which is so frustrating. Like can we just replace her with literally anyone else? She’s such a pos.
As for the second husband, he deserves the worst if he has betrayed her again. I’m convinced he had something to do with her family’s disappearance in the other timeline. Why else would he abandon their kid too? Take this mf to the gulag as well.
Her obsession with her unborn children in this timeline feels unreasonable to me. Like you haven’t even had them yet, so who exactly are you supposed to be searching for? And forget about going back to the original timeline, you’ve already built a life here so just focus on the now. I don’t really get this whole “motherly obsession” thing; it doesn’t seem all that natural to me. I don’t know any mothers who care this much. Maybe focus on healing your traumas instead? You’ve already set yourself up for a perfect life HIAH
okay, was with you until that last paragraph.
I have zero idea what sorta absent unfeeling mothers you've known in your life either personally as family or as friends but thinking that a mother missing her child/children and wishing they were alive with her even in a new timeline is some unhealthy traumatic obsession makes me feel sorry NGL.
Can't imagine what kinda emotionally starved and detached children are being raised up like this in your environment if that's the kinda mothers you know who don't care for their kids.
First of all, my mother hasn’t been teleported to another dimension and turned delusional. Personally I wouldn’t be overly concerned, FL is surrounded by enough caring people to help her heal and accept her reality.
However her behavior is dangerously unhealthy. She’s completely consumed by her obsession and keeps risking her own life without hesitation.
I’d never want my mother to behave this way, seek therapy to cope if this is normal to u. Death isn’t the ultimate end, she’s experiencing this firsthand yet refuses to learn from it.
The only thing I agree with is her desire to protect her children, but she should do so in a safe and rational way. Her attempts to permanently return to that dimension and search for her unborn children in her current world go far beyond reason. That’s delusional behavior.
Women like this are too attached to the material realm, maybe spirituality would be of help because this is objectively unhealthy. She should spare her current surroundings a glance. Souls are infinite
How would people being around her all of a sudden stop her from wanting her kids all because of "healing".
That makes no sense at all.
In fact it's the healing that would intensify that bond and longing, it doesn't erase it.
And she has the power to travel dimensions too, so how is searching for the right dimensions where get kids are a delusional goal?
This makes no sense in context in-verse, she's a special existence.
And another thing being her recklessness, how do you think the saying no risk no reward came about.
You may be right in saying that it could be toned down, but to want her to turn almost robotic would be friggin wild and illogical.
emotions rule for a reason no matter how much one can proclaim to "control" it.
You’re going in circles when I’ve already explained to u everything that’s there to be said. This convo is clearly no longer worth engaging with if you’re not willing to listen.
She has had 20yrs to deal with her emotions, if that doesn’t sound absurd to you, then idk what to tell u.
The very fact that you deem other human connections aside from that of a parent-child to be unworthy is strange.
Sorry I’m used to dealing with my emotions in a sound & healthy way.
Please, i know what sound and healthy is.
Parents who lost their children still miss them for many years on end and wish whatever unfortunate incident they lost the child in didn't occur.
Women who unfortunately accidentally experience the loss of a child in the womb still have it sit with them mentally for decades on end and think of what could have been.
These people are not mentally sick or wrong missing a child like you'd want to believe them to be, there's no freaking official time limit on this shit like you're trying to apply.
What you speak of is just pure detachment at it's core.
Bruh, that last paragraph is concerning. I mean this isn't just a time regression plot where nothing has happened yet, it's being teleported to another dimension. And she can go back to it anytime, so the kids definitely do exist.
I know you're treating this like Wanda (from Marvel) stressing out about her non-existent children in her own dimension, so she seeks the ones from the other dimension, but those children already had a home and a happy life, and most of all, their own Mom. So Wanda had no business obsessing over those kids that technically aren't hers.
Meanwhile, Leoni actually bore her children herself, she raised Emil herself, and she knows he's out there somewhere, pitifully wandering the woods alone with her jerk ex-husband.
And the one in her belly didn't just "unexist", she knows that baby is somewhere in the world. So she's desperate to find that baby because it's been born, but is now missing.
Exactly
You were doing well until the last paragraph, in this part you screwed up
At its core, this story delivers a deeply satisfying revenge, led by very cruel & cunning MC’s. It doesn’t hold back from being disturbingly twisted, which is unusual in comics. I love that they have no issue sinking just as low as the villains.
Reading it is quite draining tho, the drama is always cranked up all the way. I’ve to take breaks every few panels, but I can't stop until I see the final revenge.
The ML is a predator with a filthy mouth, but his twisted backstory explains his cruelty, making him sympathetic. Unlike typical sob stories, his past was surpassingly unique and very dark. Finding out trash emperor raped young him & his twin made me sick. Turning out psycho after everything he’s been through was the most realistic outcome.
I feel like a criminal for admitting this lol, but I actually like him as the ML. He and the FL balance each other out. She’s too willful, and he keeps her grounded, just as she challenges him in return.
Nevertheless, some of his SA against FL can be very disgusting, which I’m trying to ignore for the sake of focusing on the actual plot.
Problematic aspects aside, they were meant to be.
The way she didn’t gaf about that sorry excuse of a mother had me cheering, now this is the type of strong boundaries I want to see in MC’s. Not to mention how she treated all the other hags of the household hoho.
This manhua is full of disgusting subjects like rape, pedophilia and incest, and that sadly also reflects reality rather than a sanitized fantasy, especially during that era where they were even more blatant.
The worst part is the child maidservants being preyed on by the grown ass assasins, I hate it and skip their panels.
The main CP’s relationship is at least more tolerable in comparison.
Author is clearly a creep because they’ve tried romanticising this pattern of gross relationships.
That being said… love how ruthless their revenge is. They’re both absolute badasses. I have a weakness for justified villains┗( T﹏T )┛
I wouldn’t want MC as my lawyer dawg. He would incriminate me instead
exactly what im thinking abt when i see how he handle his client lmaoo this line of work doesnt suit him at all