THe duke calling his sons lame and bad with women was golden. Also having the FL threatening an entire hall of people was also everything that I needed.
I feel like this is the first time I read the story which the characters actually feel like friends. It's nice. So many of these stories choose to make every other female character she meets either a bitch, or she adores the mc to the point it's a bit cult-like. This is a nice middle ground.
No? Lariensa is pretty much like Maryjun (I Swear I Won't Bother You, Again), Jeannette (Who Made Me a Princess) and Helena (Kill The Villainess) in the way she treated the og owner of the body our FLs reside in. The only difference is that Lariensa was established as the best friend of our FL from the get go.
Yeah, I don't hate any of the three characters you mentioned. Each one of thsoe was a victim of consequence and are actually complex and interesting characters and wh oare allowed to show 'ugly' emotions. Sorry I don't want characters who fall to the feet of the FL.
Helena isn't doing anything. The prince is the one who is unfaithful, everything Helena is doing is out of self-preservation. She knows the favouritism will only bite her in the back, both from the prince and Empress, but she also knows that rejecting it will hurt her too. She's literally in a lose-lose situation. And if you had to ask who was worse it was obviously the past version of Eris who took out her frustrations on an innocent bystander. And even worse than her was the Prince, who is a spineless coward who would rather hurt those around him by indulging in his own wants than acknowledging others needs. Such as his engagement to Eris, and Helena's Family status.
I also hate how the blame is being put on a girl who has the least amount of power. Have you forgotten she's not in a position where she can say no. We know how insensitive the prince is. She shouldn't be blamed for things she can't control.
It's literally so ironic that the whole villainess as the main character is to show that just because a character is put in the antagonist role doesn't mean they are bad. Yet here we're hating a character just because she's Eris antagonist, not the villain but someone who she's pitted against and stands in her way, but that doesn't make Helena a bad guy. If you guys can't have sympathy for any other character but the main character and characters who fall to her feet, than go read a shitty otome game were the all the characters are one dimensional. But don't go calling Helena evil because what? The prince likes her?
OMFG FINALLY!! Someone who talks sense!!
Thansk, I just really hate the toxic hating on every girl who doesn't kiss the main character's ass.
Tldr: she's a victim of circumstance. I feel bad for her but at the same time, I don't like or hate her. Her compassion is a great quality, but as a person with feelings- I can't understand how she can afford to have sympathy for anyone but herself (i.e. protecting the mc from showing weakness to others).
She has great character quality in theory, but ig not many people can relate to it bc it seems to come off as as a Mary-Sue situation a.k.a. the OP character that happens to have all the love at her disposal for no particularly deep or meaningful reason other than being pretty and offering shallow support to love interests at the right time (in Helena's case). Although the story gives a some insight to her background- the plot doesn't offer much 'redemption' (yet) to our MC for many to sympathize with Helena. For Helena, her story started off bad, but it got better than most ppl would in that situation bc of the affection she effortlessly got. Our MC on the other hand came from better circumstances in theory- but not really. Ig Helena realizes the power and freedom she holds over the MC and feels bad. Kinda tragic :L
I think it's only natural that we would sympathise with the main character, Eris, but that doesn't mean antagonising Helena is reasonable. So I was mostly speaking about people who are hating on her for petty reasons. The only character that deserve being shitted on is the prince and the king. Shocker, nobility is trash. I also have to disagree with the Mary-su aspect, I don't think she's a Mary-Sue. She's definitely more so than the original love interests.
I think it's good that you have a neutral stance, I'm assuming since you said you don't like or hate her. I'm also pretty netural about her, it's just the overwhelming and childish critic of her character was annoying. Personally I'm more interested in where her character will go, and I think of the original main cast her relationship with Eris has the most potential. I'd love to see them come to an understanding, I don't expect friendship but something alongs a mutual respect would be cool.
I agree. About the Mary-Sue thing though, I'm just thinkkng it's easy to assume that Helena kinda resembles a character of that quality. She definitely does have more depth than the typical Mary-Sue, but I think the love interests fell for that initial aspect of Helena having that Mary-Sue vibe(?) The prince for example just sees her as a helpless victim and wants to protect her- not knowing that half the time he causes people (inside the story and irl) to hate her. The fact that Helena can't defend herself bc of her status feeds into his assumption that she's a helpless sort of Mary-Sue. It's a vicious cycle of suffering (yikes). And for the other red haired guy (I forgot his name) Helena just said smth that encouraged him through a tough time and he fell for her? I vaguely remember the set up of his crush but it kind of made me think "Mary-Sue set up". Idk abt the priest lol we dont see him much.
I'll just blame the men for making her seem like that shallow character trope lol. I dont believe you need a particular reason to love someone but the easy men take their crap and run with it (poor Helena). I think eventually Eris and Helena will reach a point of understanding like you said-but at a distance. Our MC definitely isn't in the mindset to attach herself to anyone I think lmaooo. I personally like that detachedness lol
I feel like she fits more into the manic pixie dream girl, in which she has a lot more to her personality, but her love interests only care about the aspects of her personality which make her an easy target for lack of better of phrasing. Though I don't think Helena is simple, the red haired guy(I also forgot his name lol) and the prince choose to only focus on the fact that she's compassionate, has a low status, and is weak in the traditional sense.
In some sense Eris and Helena are viewed in the same narrow view by both character. In which they're reduced from people with complex personalities and more into rigid archetypes. Eris and Helena seem to be the most tactful and clever characters, both being very aware of the cards staked against them and willing to use it to their advantage, so I honestly like when the story centres around either one. I also really like our MC's detachedness, I hate it when they try to befriend the characters they hurt. It feels so forced and in real life it would be so awkward.
Same, I literally cannot stand character bashing because it serves no point. Helena didn't even do anything super unforgivable, yet she's getting all this thoughtless hate. Sure she didn't do anything but can anyone really blame her? She was pushed into situations where she had no breathing room to do whatever she wants. I honestly feel more sorry for her, especially considering the spoilers I got about her.
Justice for Helena!
Alright, so who's going to kill that old fart? I hope he gets sick, and no one wants to heal him.
Let him rot. LOL
When has the prince ever been innocent? We just saw him behead someone and then order an execution of his entire family. I don't care about the justification, but you have to admit, he hasn't been innocent for a long time.
I'm so happy Violet found her friend, even if the friend doesn't know its Violet. Seeing Violet be genuinely happy was nice for once. Anyway Ash, the mother, and the father need to die.
im just scared someone will misunderstand them since she is in winter's body
Oh god, I hope that doesn't happen. I just want violet to be happy.
I'm hoping the next chapters won't have flashbacks. I'm kinda of sick of having majority of the chapters being flashbacks and 1/3 being the set in the present. I want the plot to progress. I don't need ten panels telling me what happened, when it's basically the same thing each time. People are shit and use her. I got it.
Bruh, who's stopping him? Killing corrupt nobles is good for your skin.
And bathing in their blood is even BETTER for your skin!
Spoiler, Maybe?
Honestly, if they kill Anthansia, and she ends up in her original world, I'm going to be hella impressed with the novel. If it does happen like this, I think Lucas will follow her to her original world and the last shot will be of them finding each other. I really want to see one of these stories end with the main character returning back to their world, just to spice things up a bit. They could just opt out with a happy ending for everyone, but I think a bittersweet ending would be more satisfying even if it will be painful.
Or
Jeanette will be the one to die or sacrifice herself. First her father will die because fo the curse and then she'll end up choosing having a family in the afterlife, since we know that all that Jeanette ever wanted was her family. I just hope it's a sad ending, I want to bail my eyes out.
Uhh for the first one you wrote, the world shes in right now is actually her original world but i agree with second one
You might have already read this story but there is a story were the mc returns to her old world but its still on going the name is Kill the Villainess manga its only 23 chapters right now but its a great story. (￣▽￣)
I'm currently reading it, nice to know she's able to return.
They're such an ill-matched couple. She can't communicate honestly because of her abuse, and he has no delicacy to even try. He literally doesn't even try to understand his wife, like wtf, I thought you liked her. Both don't have the capability to understand each other in a way that is needed for even a decent relationship. All they do well is have sex. I wish the story would focus less on the physical aspect, because first of all it isn't as hot as the author thinks it is, and two I would be more invested if I actually liked the couple.
they are not she lacks a self of steem but it not her fault she can’t communicate sooner or later they people she has around will give her the backbone she need to be able to lead my his side not behind him once that happens she will get her own voice and be who she truly is he is deeply worried about her and his reaction was expected he came from battle to his kingdom which he is still fixing and those mother fuckers invaded did it give him a reason to act that way towards her no but he probably will say he was caught in the moment and apologize we all know how much he cares for her buttttt mother fucker dares to scream at herrrrrr someone get me a sword or someeee (╬￣皿￣)凸
so you agree they need to change? The order of their relationship is so messed up. The very few chances they get to spend together isn't spent communicating. The two don't even know each other to even like each other. At this moment, they're one of the worst couples. And it isn't because it's wrong that the FL has low-self esteem and suffering from trauma, it's that the ML isn't equipped to handle that.
i think she should be giving space and time she has gone through a lot but him constantly wanting to be there to protect her puts a lot of pressure not just that he brought her back and immediately told her this your place do whatever you want i’m supprised he hasn’t noticed the way she acts around people she is terrified how can he not notice honestly i don’t think they are a toxic couple i just think she need more time to be able to speak to him instead of trying to make her feel better by sex he should try and talk to her
I think their dynamic is pretty toxic. Inexperienced, low self-esteem, and infantilised younger girl and brute, bigger age and size, more experienced and more respected older man. There's also the big power imbalance between the two that raises more red flags to me. It's more the trope/cliche that they represent which is harmful and toxic than this specific couple. I've seen worse couples of this trope but that doesn't make this couple good either.
i mean girl compared to what’s on this website those two are pretty darn healthy so take it or leave it now let me go cry cause i didn’t see as many red flags as you and let me go crawl in a ball and cry cause her man is hella hot and i will never get that goodnight ╥﹏╥
I'm going to see how far this can go, but yeah if this was real life people would call this a toxic relationship.
agree but the story plot overall seems to be trying to make her have this evolution within her putting her in position where makes her realize she needs to stand up for herself and speak up like the plot line is like lowkey trying to build up her confidence and all
Yeah, I honestly have no problem with the FL. She's actually trying to change for the better. I'm angrier at the ML who doesn't try to change for her. Be dense as a rock but don't yell at your wife and then try to silence her with a kiss. Like she was about to talk to him and he just kisses her will he's still angry, and I know he isn't angry at her, but he shouldn't be directing that emotion to her.