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Well the co worker doesn't know the whole situation of his love interest being a vampire battling life death situation for blood. I'm thinking co worker thinks it's something simple like small acts of kindness that the person can live without. I don't think he means any harm yet?? Maybe in my opinion hopefully later love triangle

From how the co worker is talking and acting, it really does not look to me like he is thinking of it that way. (but even if he was, its still a mean thing to suggest somebody do to the person they like) He even told him to steal the person he liked away if they were in a relationship, which is really bad advice. Nobody should do that. It isn't always easy but you should try to be happy for the person if they are happy. Sabotaging relationships to get what you want is twisted. And following that mentality, he goes on to basically say make them dependent on you. That is twisted. He is teaching him to manipulate the other person and it could escalate since he grew up in a house where he was emotionally manipulated and abused. Based on the author's coding of the people around our MC, this coworker is supposed to be a troublemaker, and he certainly is shaping out to be.

I don't think you've read enough Yaoi if this is what you consider twisted. There is a very small element of it being shown though the owner of such behavior is Min Gyeom. Slowly with each passing chapter, he will evolve into the sadist he was born to be. I can't wait.

Okay, so because there are more twisted bl stories out there that means that the characters with twisted personalities in this story can be written off? That's probably one of the dumbest things I've heard. Just because it isn't as twisted doesn't mean it isn't twisted at all. By the same logic people living at the poverty line "aren't even that poor" because there are other people worse off. One doesn't invalidate the other. BUT I wasn't saying the co worker being twisted is bad, I understand it is part of the story and Im all for it taking the story where it needs to go. I'm sick of stupid "yaoi fangirls" commenting on stories that people put a lot of work into by just saying "fuck already" or them writing off characters that are meant to be flawed. We're supposed to see them as flawed, thats how the author wrote the story, but people will just ignore it and post stupid shit about how they don't care they just want them to have sex. If thats what you want go watch some fucking porn, I'm here for the story. Thats what makes the sex and every other part of the relationship interesting.

Yeah, it's definitely messed up, lol. When I read it, his "make him dependent on you" instantly reminded me of the part in Madoka Magica where Kyoko tells Sayaka to make Kyousuke totally helpless and thus dependent on her by breaking both his arms and legs and permanently crippling him so that he has no choice but to rely on her. Making someone dependent on you definitely isn't the tenet of a healthy relationship, and I really think the coworker has an ulterior motive (maybe to break Min Gyeom down by sabotaging his relationship with Sam, then swooping in to take him for himself?). I still love both their characters, of course! XD

And yeah, saying this isn't as twisted as some other BLs and is therefore not twisted at all is like saying murdering someone is really, really bad and messed up, so kicking a puppy is perfectly moral. XP

Well, I don't think he meant it in that psycho way because to make someone that emotionally dependent on you means you have to break them mentally first. Otherwise, it means that person must have had feelings for the third party already... Which is to say, no one likes being dumped or cheated on, but the coworker guy is still not a manipulative psycho and merely the typical player who's never had a relationship beyond being the meddling third party, that's why he's giving that advice, because it's the only way he knows.

Considering the themes at play in this story, I'm pretty sure the author is making him out to be a twisted person. I don't feel your opinion on his character to be grounded in what we know about him so far at all. There is nothing wrong with that, that is his character. It just worries me that people are trying to say that it isn't that bad, because its not healthy and if people accept these things as the norm that will be really sad and could have negative effects on their views of the world and could end up hurting them. Nobody is saying he is a psycho, but he definitely isn't a person used to non-abusive relationships. Manipulating a person is abuse.

I've noticed manga sometimes use over the top language to talk about normal stuff, like for example when they want to "monopolize" someone or have become "greedy," just to mean that they really like them, or saying someone "gets their hopes up" as if they were deliberately leading them on, when they're just acting "kind" to them. That's why I say wait and see.

Well, here's the thing though, I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. First of all, its the cultural difference. Im pretty sure this is Korean, not Japanese, so you can't compare it to manga that is written be a Japanese person with a Japanese mind set. If its Korean, they tend to have troublesome characters like the coworker to help push the story and cause drama. But secondly, I have read hundreds of manga and manhwa, and I have not seen that to be the case unless the character was meant to be that type of character who IS a really good person, and anytime they do anything slightly bad they feel horrible and beat themselves up for it while readers are there to acknowledge that they're just being human and shouldn't be expected to be so perfect. Also, I can't see a huge difference between monopolizing and greed, they're part of the same family. You can be greedy without monopolizing but they're either in different context or the same. If you think a lot of the stuff you see in manga is normal I really worry because when I read manga I often step back and realize how unnaturally an author has portrayed something or how something bad has been normalized. For example, rape being a very over used trope in yaoi. Some people stop thinking of the characters and will write off the abusive behavior they see. There are some manga that handle it well because they're acknowledge rape for what it is and the story is about the twisted stuff going on, but some authors use it to force two characters together or may not even realize what is considered rape and write a story with rape in it unintentionally. Because of that they may not realize the stipulations it has on the story or its readers and readers start to blur that line as well. Thats why I think its important to be able to see what the author is doing and to critique the work. With that in mind, I still think the co worker is supposed to play the role of being twisted. He's gonna be used to get the story going and cause drama, but don't write him off as just that. Understand he is supposed to be a flawed character and like him for that while acknowledging what role he plays.