Fuck everyone else, I ONLY LOVE OUR CIEL
Can't wait for his name reveal...but seriously, this chapter BROKE MY HEART I almost cried several times. Ugh. My baby.
EXACTLY! IT'S TO LATE IN THE GAME FOR THEM TO SUDDENLY REVEAL A SECOND CEIL.... This leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and almost makes me wanna stop reading all together...
Yes I agree. I'm sobbing right now.
Im feeling so conflicted right now. I was hating Hyunwoo and was ready for Subin to move on from him but after getting a chapter from Hyunwoo's perspective...it compicates my feelings. I know that having a relationship with Hyung would probably be best...but I still feel there is a lot unspoken between Hyunwoo and Subin. Maybe I'll feel better if they were to talk things out for once. I want Hyunwoo to really communicate with Subin and to apologize. I want him to share his emotions and help Subin understand him better. But I also want him to listen to Subin and acknowledge his feelings and his pain. Its difficult to see Hyunwoos side because he struggled and everyone around him could tell he had feelings for somebody else/ Subin but he was so nervous, self conscious, and scared about living his life and connecting to others emotionally. He tried to fit into a role he thought would be easier, he was scared. I can't say anything bad on him for that. Korea is more conservative than where I live so I imagine it would be difficult. Also, Hyunwoo is moving at his own pace to understand his sexuality. If anything it is our societies fault for hurting these children that don't easily fit into one box/ for allowing them to be confused and in pain because of peoples selfishness. Hyunwoo made many mistakes and he hurt Subin so much and I think he knows that... I just need closure between them.
me too , arghhhhhhhhh
hyung is better , but , but,,,,
This was so great, thank you Kii Kanna for continuing to make great work and GIVING ME A REASON TO LIIIIVE
Seriously, her work is so great... I can't express it. I love the worlds she creates and the stories she tells.
I can't even fucking believe it....after reading the girls prison arc it just hits me hard...that of all the fucking fan service and distortion of women's bodies and clear objectification present in this manga...It does more for its female characters than most shounen manga has managed in their centuries of running. The female characters here get to take center stage, be strong, be smart, and they steal the show in equal if not greater proportion to the men. And the girls can be just as perverted as the guys. Its a comedy and extremely exaggerates things but it really knows boys and girls well and doesn't shy away from a certain realness like a lot of male oriented content does to make women into a certain "likable" image for men. Like....I started reading this because I really liked Hana as a character and just wanted to see her and was worried I'd get super annoyed with it. But like the over dramatized sexualization constantly calls itself out and is a joke in the first place and pushed to the limits that it functions more being laughable/comedy than it functions as ecchi. The manga constantly owns up to itself and its characters actions. Its never just like "oh the girls were bitches and were way too hard on the guys" or "the guys are perverts completely without morals and only care about sex". The author makes fun of the guy characters and reminds us constantly that they do shit that of course they're gonna get punished for or called out on because we all know its inappropriate while also calling out the girls when they mess up too. And even kind of poses morals? Like the scene where Kiyoshi was debating fondling Chiyo where the author sets up a whole ecchi style joke just for the punch line to be "wait...shouldn't I truly be asking myself whether doing this in this situation and context is okay?? Like Chiyo is clearly upset and wouldn't want this under normal circumstances so something is wrong and doing this is wrong even if its what I thought I wanted". Like it takes some guys a life time to grasp the understanding of the situation Kiyoshi was in. This manga is really something else, I can't help but enjoy and actually respect it. For once I get to see strong badass women that are open to their sexuality and wants and whatever there is in between. Oh yeah, and they get to do that all in a genre where that almost never happens or only does so in small short bursts and hardly even seem canon.
I agree with you on most part. Can add from a guys point of view, 'fan service' is made in such a way that most of the time it doesnt look erotic, rather irritating or repulsive, especially scenes with Meiko. And its not a bad thing, rather it shows that its not the point, partly its about making fun of mans nature. Guys are constantly made fun of, but they completely deserve it, nothing good will come out of thinking with one point, grow up.
P.S. when I say irritating or repulsive, its more like a vibe of that, by knowing that it is intentionally exagerated to make fun and thus feels like a spit to your face (lol) - hope this made you laugh ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Lol yes, I completely agree. The scenes, like especially with Meiko, don't even function as fan service, I just wasn't sure how else to describe it. In all honesty this would probably best be described as a parody of ecchi and seinen manga. Its very effective in what its doing. Im also super invested in all of the female characters and their interactions, none of them are one dimensional. A lot of people call Chiyo plain but even she has a lot to her character imo.
Omg, they're everywhere
I honest to god read this all just for Hana....
i'm glad im not the only one.... Hana is the mvp
dude, me. too. i just hate what hana looks like on live action, it was not justified!
Chapter 30 and we finally GET SOME GOOD DEVELOPMENT
IM SO EXCITED!!!
Everyone needs to learn not to throw the word bitch around so casually when talking about girls. Im so tired of it. Its especially cancerous in the comment sections of manga like this. THERE ARE OTHER WORDS TO DESCRIBE GIRLS THAT ARE BEING RUDE OR SELFISH OR ARE COMPLICATED OR BOSSY. Probably more than half of us here are girls too! So lets stop talking about each other like that, it just makes people think its okay to speak to women like that and use this word thats been used to demean, belittle, and invalidate us and our emotions for centuries. Realize how we've been conditioned to use that word in that way too so you can be aware and stop us from being treated like this. It doesn't matter if they're fictional girls. I've seen people calling actual little girls in gay manga bitches. It needs to change, our attitude needs to change.
I think you are right and wrong. Yes solidarity between women and all that bull, but at the same time, I think I should be able to use any word I want to describe a person. Bitch, isnt just limited to females and honestly, cunt is a much better descriptive word.
Also, I dont trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesnt die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KARPvncvqW8
I mean Im not saying that the word bitch doesn't have its place in the world for a lot of other uses. It can be used for comedic effect and a lot of other non serious things or even serious things when it really really actually suits it. But when other groups, especially men, see it being used like people are using it in this comment section thats when it get more insidious. All Im trying to say it for people to be more conscious of how they use it. The way people are throwing it around here is the way that when people see it it justifies subconsciously using it the same way when thinking about women fictional or not. I also think it matters what words you're using in a safe place versus public where it effects how other people think and view things. I'd have ways I'd use the words bitch and cunt that I wouldn't use here or in the environment where I could be misunderstood or use it irresponsibly. I'm no saint, I love my swears especially for exaggerations or comedic uses. However there are a lot of really young girls on this site though so I want to be conscious of that and the image they form about themselves and their peers.
I don't really know what do you mean by "really young", but this site is meant for either adults or children over the age 13 WITH PARENTAL CONSENT. If your little girls don't fit into these categories, then they shouldn't even be here and therefore it's not anybody's problem if they stumble upon material that is not suitable for children (comic books about serial killers or maybe even comments where the word bitch is used). If they do have permission - welp, still not my problem. You can't forbid adults from drinking in a nightclub, because a kid could accidentaly walk in and see something inappropriate.
Well if those kids get access to here, bitch word shouldnt be whats important. What worrisome is shota sex, rape, abusive etc contain in manga. What makes you think that those little girl friends speak polite? Ofc not theyre little kids after all ,even when we were young our friends said those 'bad' words without parents know
We live in digital era, information travel fast, surely those kids wont see 'bad' word in this website only, how to teach them that its bad? Well its what we call parenting isnt it?. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Lets not pretend that the internet is for adults only and that those only enter if you're 18 pop ups mean anything. The internet is changing and of course kids have access to material they're not mature enough to process. If you really understood what I was saying it wasn't to censor swears so kids don't see or learn about cuss words, its to be aware of how we use them and how people see them used. Even in middle schools little girl are calling other little girls bitches over the dumbest stuff. Im not saying oh no little kids can't know or use bad words, its about being aware of how we contextualize how they're used if we want to change how they're used towards us. Like a think to say something like "the bitch in this story is annoying" is a dumb way to use it because its reductive. Its meant to strip Yura of her personhood and make her out to be lowly and dehumanize her. Its one thing to say "Yura's acting like such a bitch" or "Yura is being a total bitch to her friends" than just referring to her as bitch. You can see the difference in how its used and how you read and internalize it. All Im saying is lets not teach other girls to reduce each other down to a slur meant to strip us of our power and voice, thats how its been used by men in power and even fellow women for its entire existence.
Again read what I wrote, I don't have problems with kids knowing and using swears its how they're used and the context. Im just saying we can be examples with how we consume and respond to media seeing as kids learn for adults reactions. "That bitch is annoying" and "Yura is acting like a bitch" are different. Im not saying don't say bitch Im saying don't use it as its historically been used as a reductive word to dehumanize women. Referring to them as bitch is literally meant to dehumanize us. Thats why the word comes from an animal, its meant to invalidate us as people. All Im saying is when we call girls bitches it might as well be justified. Like saying its bitchy to treat her friends the way Yura is and to not acknowledge her as a person are different.
Again, you should probably reread what I've said. Its not meant to censor cuss words its to realize that adults have always been models for kids around them based on our reactions to the world around us and how we use words. If we use bitch in a reductive way to dehumanize other women as its historically been used I'd say thats irresponsible and doing no favors to ourselves and other girls
Also to address the other themes in manga, its the same as I explained. When younger people see us react to things thats how they learn. So when we call out abuse as abuse in manga when its not made clear that helps validate the kids using this site to know what abusive behavior is or what rape is and help them understand what is fine to enjoy or read about in fiction should be separated from our attitudes in real life. For example, there are a lot of adults who enjoy rape play or porn like that, but they don't actually rape people and would have zero interest in doing so. Its like knowing the difference between safe bdsm play and flat out abuse. But we're also adults who can model knowing what fiction is and being able to enjoy manga with inappropriate content while separating it from real life. When the people too immature to be using this site but clearly are anyway because theres nothing you can do about it Ive actually seen a lot of adults here step up. I've seen them do it on lots of manga with abuse and rape. A good example is with Killing Stalking. A lot of readers addressed how its fine to enjoy the story as it is without romanticizing or fetishizing whats happening. You can read a story about abuse without condoning abuse. Lots of people reading that manga try to make it clear to the young readers that what they're seeing is manipulation and abuse not just twisted love, for example.
I find it funny how a while back, you commented a response to me telling me that this is a place for discussion, and not to moderate comments or the content in said comments. Yet you go around demanding people cater to your own opinions and beliefs. Chill. People will continue saying what they want on this site, and if you've got a problem with that, maybe you shouldn't be roaming the internet.
Lmao I didn't demand shit, all I did is make a suggestion and then back up why I personally thought my opinion was valid. People can do what they want with what I said and the reasoning I put forth. I didn't force my opinion onto anyone and openly discussed my opinion with the people who started a conversation with me. Nice try though~~
Y'all here comes the typical straight white homophobic girl comments
Sorry, I'm just wondering what thats in reference to. I guess I don't see how what you're saying applies to the situation and am just curious ^^;
OH. I meant to reply to one of your comments on another person's post when you brought u the BL stuff . My bad.