Joowon being like "im fine haesoo im fine" cause he wanted haesoo to stop crying. and then later getting dizzy lol. loveable brat.
"I want to read the story he writes when I'm gone"
LMAO TAKU PLS, he was straight up manipulative with Haesoo from the start. And ppl really painted him as the "saviour" for Haesoo. Kinda love the author for subverting that trope.
I'm glad Taku apologized to his friend Mina though. It was not her fault at all, and she was a good friend for making him stay at the exhibition.
The most infuriating part about all this is.... how selfish and horrible Taku is to Haesoo
- AS SEEN IN CHAPTER 99.
Like let's compare Taku with Joowon as they both separated from Haesoo. When Joowon and Haesoo had their big fallout/basically "breakup" in chapter 57, Haesoo said hurtful things to Joowon. But Joowon NEVER said cruel things back. (Edit: I literally thought he said the line "don't think of seeing me ever again" to haesoo at first, which was a little harsh but nothing in comparison to Haesoo's words. But turns out, it was also freaking HAESOO WHO SAID THAT. JOOWON SAID NOTHING SPITEFUL TO HIM AT ALL). Instead Joowon was all like, "if I give everything up, can we start over?", ready to give it all up for this man thats breaking his heart. Joowon even called Haesoo a few days later, and told him how he'll always support him, and be by his side even if it's just as a brother/friend, and told Haesoo "I'm just all yours". Like Haesoo hurt you so much my dude. Told you he didn't love you, called your bond of 10 WHOLE YEARS wrong, said he was sick of losing things cause of you/your relationship... and you still show unconditional support for him? Idk if Joowon is selfless or stupid when it comes to Haesoo (perhaps both), but i love him ;A;
Taku meanwhile was literally the OPPOSITE. During his break up, Haesoo was actually very kind to him, letting him down gently. No hurtful words unlike with Joowon. Haesoo apologized a lot (unlike with Joowon), probably feeling guilty cause he tried to return Taku's feelings and ultimately couldn't. The thing is though, Haesoo doesnt even have an OBLIGATION to return Taku's feelings. Taku established from day one that they should "use" each other, and that this was a 1 month TRIAL relationship. Taku was the one endlessly persisting Haesoo despite being warned, and agreed to everything between them. So like all these things considered, leading up to their breakup: what the hell does Taku do? ....... Tell Haesoo that he hopes he suffers cause of him, and that Haesoo regrets letting him go and blah blah blah more manipulative shit! All cause this man couldn't like you back in a month,, youre making him feel WORSE after he apologized??? Like ofc Taku didn't need to wish happiness for Haesoo or support him. But Taku. Even if youre so heartbroken, just say goodbye and walk away??? Instead he says all these horrible things, that Haesoo most definitely DID NOT DESERVE to hear.
Infuriating. Even more infuriating when you compare Joowon's position back in the story with Taku's. Like you'd really need to jump through hoops to think Taku is the better choice instead of Joowon at this point.
PERIODTTTT
Bro... The one who said "Don't think of seeing me ever again" was freaking HAESOO not Joowon lmaoooooo No I cannot live in this reality. Then Joowon goes and give himself to Haesoo not once but TWICE, even tho their break-up was worst than Taku's. Idgf what people say about Joowon, he is superior.
Spot on compare and contrast.
omg what. REALLY. REALLY?!?!??! i have to go reread that scene now
oh my god joowon sweetie ;___; he is easily the least selfish manipulative, and most redeeming character in this story. he's always taking hit after hit for haesoo. he just develops so wonderfully losing all his arrogance in thinking 'haesoo would never leave him' and just matures SO MUCH out of all of them. definitely superior.
Tysm for this comment. just fax no photocopy here
Yup they were Haesoo's words.
The whole “if your heartbroken just say goodbye” is an idealistic response which I know half of us wouldn’t give （￣へ￣）It’s messy and real that’s what I liked about taku so much. I know I wouldn’t wish somebody who I was involved like he was with haesoo(not in a toxic way of course) a happy life with a new partner they’d dump me for. And if you say you could blissfully wish somebody a happy relationship for someone they DUMPED you for your lying.
On point!
Sorry but I would never use words Taku said to Haesoo. Especially after one month of going out when they agreed they would try the waters.
My take on it: His character has been consistently conniving, selfish, competitive and vindictive throughout and until the end of the story. There’s absolutely nothing praiseworthy about any of his behaviors or thoughts. His words in the breakup scene aren’t meant to be what the average person would say, they’re meant to highlight his overall character for the reader.
I think wheat he said was real. Anyone saying other wise is lying to themselves. Break ups are MESSY, and painful. Even more so if the person you fell in love with is telling you they’re dumping you for another person.
*(what) stupid auto correct
We’re all human our emotions don’t follow the logical rules we set up. If you and someone you had an interest did a test trial relationship and they wounded up with their rebound BUT you liked them anyway you would still like them right? Taku seemed more human to me because he was so messy and real. I’d def would’ve said what he said to haesoo if I was in his shoes.
Taku's action feels real i agree. cause manipulative people are also real lol. being "realistic" doesnt suddenly make him right to do that. Joowon is also a realistic character and he deserves a hug through that whole breakup. Cant say the same for Taku.
Ofc he doesnt need to wish Haesoo a "happy life". He just needed to leave without emotionally manipulating him. I think many taku stans online are watering down this situation as if it's merely about him being dumped by Haesoo. You do realize this is a relationship that he *willingly* entered knowing Haesoo's true feelings. He was never led on, and constantly persisted Haesoo, and said he wants them to use each other. He made a pact with HS that they wont have hard feelings at the end, and he agreed to the 1 month time limit. Yet Taku is the one that broke the pact lol.
In a situation like this, if you can't walk away from a mess you created yourself, without guilt-tripping the other party so much, then idk.... you should probably try to FIX that behavior --> If Taku was in a relationship with Haesoo where he was dumped unfairly, or if he was led on, or if he was actually a "victim" of some sort here, I would accept his reaction ten times more from him lol
Excuses where none are warranted. They’re not real people, and the action we see is meant to be insight to character. Author took some pains to show you that he was not even in love- why do you think he’s still equating Haesoo with candy that’s just out of reach, or that he still wants to capture him on camera. Petulant, spoiled, finally not getting something you desire in a passing fancy does not equal love.
Your a taku hated we’re never seeing eye to on this ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Of course they aren’t real people but they’re reactions are. If your telling me you would wish an ex a happy life with someone they dumped you for your lying to yourself and me ╮(￣▽￣)╭we won’t ever see eye to eye on this your a Taku hater
He did love him that’s WHY he said such hurtful things. If he didn’t he really wouldn’t give a damn and say I wish you a merry life and wish you the best. If you love somebody to such an extent your final words to them if they broke your heart ain’t gonna be pretty
Definitely don’t think he was in love, at all- he’s just the same manipulative asshole he was from the start, who found that his grasp slipped, and is lashing out accordingly. Your take on true love is pretty fucked up, and no that’s not how I would respond.
Guess I’m a fucked up person （￣へ￣）
If you truly love someone, in selfless way you would let them go and not wish them hard time and unhappiness....
Ngl everyone has their own version of true love and how truly loving someone should be. Letting them go and not wishing them hard times/unhappiness is YOUR OWN thoughts of what you think it should be like. Not everyone is going to agree or should feel that that is the only way and absolute right way of love.
In many different situations, how a person can feel can be completely different.
(Example: let’s say a guy cheats on his girlfriend and tells her the truth. He tells her that he’s actually fallen for someone else and that he wants to break up because he feels like his new girl is “the one” he wants to marry forever. His girlfriend could completely think that she doesn’t want him to be happy in his new relationship. How could she wish for him true happiness?) Of course this example isn’t the same as this story, but it shows that wishing the one you love happiness with someone else doesn’t NOT apply to every scenario.
I’m saying this as a neutral standpoint i don’t really care about the ships
This was the moment made me fall in love even more with Joowon. Those words he said was exactly for the one he truly love
Shouldn't this have been the whole point of Taku's character? Taku stablish that his love is selfish since the very beggining (no external factors nor feelings are involved) and because of it, he couldn't love people completly. He was quite opportunistic about them, Taku only took what he wanted until they bored him. Haesoo was the first person that he liked and Taku seemed to be willing to face the "not so bright" parts of relationships for him... But at the same time, he didn't want to change his selfish ways? He doesn't dislike this aspect of him and he expects that Haesoo accept it. Which is a whole ass contradiction because Taku once said that a couple, formed by two people, shouldn't consume the other because at the end of the day, we're all individuals despite being in a relationship. And that's true, he is not wrong. This why Taku is weird, because he said these type of things but yet he wants Haesoo to feel bad for him, guilty. Taku wanted this before having a formal thing with Haesoo! He will prefer that Haesoo is sad because of him than seeing him happy with another person. Taku knew the bases for a good relationship but he didn't like them when it was not convinient for him. Taku never grew up from this selfishness, never.
He didn't have character development and yet his fans are happy with it? I would have been pretty dissapointed if Joowon or Haesoo never learned anything or changed at all. It's realistic? Yes. But, his character has a message? Not a good one. Like you said, the example you put is not even close to Taku's situation. Haesoo didn't want to be in a relationship to begin with and he accept it after feeling bad for Taku! He was the one who took out of his time to be with him despite not being ready for it, he still loved another man. Taku always knew this and yet he didn't want to let Haesoo go? The way I would have respected Taku if he understood he was being selfish and childish with him trying to maintain a relationship where his boyfriend is simply being kind to him. Not in love him. Taku knew that he had nothing to complain because Haesoo did try to love him but then he goes and do this? No, he never changed and that's sad.
joowon is a gem in this manhwa through and through
Joowon, who had a more deeper conection with Haesoo and he didn't say those type of things to him despite that his break-up scene was more chaotic than Taku's. Meaning that you can end a relationship (I know they weren't a thing, but they still had something) with the people involved not wishing bad to the other. Joowon was deppressed, heart-broken and destroyed but he decided it was enough of him being selfish (he had this background of it) and choose to be let Haesoo be free. He develops! But that doesn't mean he is not selfish anymore. Just like Taku, Joowon still wanted to hold on to a chance with Haesoo but the difference goes in how they did it.
We saw Joowon having these type of thoughts, in fact, he was planning to confess despite knowing that Haesoo have another one in his life at the moment, Joowon wanted to rewrite his story. He decided to take his last chance after realizing what he did wrong, why Haesoo left him, why are his flaws, giving Haesoo his space, wishing him good. Being away! Taku, on the other hand, didn't respect Haesoo's wishes and he begged for a chance. He became so insecure and so jealous that he was someone that his friends couldn't even reconize. Taku screamed, cried and wanted everything to himself until the very end with relationship with Haesoo. Joowon and Taku are both a realistic takes on selfishness and love. In my opinion, one of them is purer than the other. Both have different messages and the one who decided to change is the one that "won" over the option that didn't develop. Yes, Taku's love at the end is love but not the good one. Joowon's love wasn't good at some point, but he changed for Haesoo. Taku didn't change, nor even because the one he loved.
Sorry if I had grammatical errors. English is not my first language.
I actually wasn’t really talking about the whole thing with taku, haesoo, and joowon. I was mainly talking to the person who said “if you truly love someone you should let them go and not wish them unhappiness/a hard time,” which I did not agree with. Since I don’t think that applies to every person and situation.
I wasn’t arguing whether how taku was bad or not. I don’t really know why fans are happy that taku didn’t have much character development- personally I’m really upset and disappointed that the author didn’t make any for him. It feels as if it was completely pointless to have him put into the story, as the two main characters could’ve just resolved their own issues by themselves. Literally all they could’ve done was separate, change themselves alone, then meet back up. Anyways I’m glad taku found someone new at least, haesoo probably wasn’t the right person who could “change” him. In the recent raw, when he smiled with his friends, I feel as if that was the first time I saw him genuinely happy. I’m really curious about his new partner too, especially if he felt the need to introduce him to his friends
(づ￣ ³￣)づ
Oooh I see. Sorry, I didn't want to read the whole thread of comments lmao I don't agree with you: Every person should be selfless BUT not everyone choose to do this*** Still, I see where you are coming from.
And with respect of the last part... Right?! What was the point of Taku? I expected so much for Taku's character since the author still put him a LOT in the story and his character went nowhere. In this chapter I was just shocked by how mean he was to Haesoo, even more so when I saw the reaction of his fans. Taku never changed and you are fine with it? Whaaaa- With this type of conclusion, the love triangle format resulted being unnecessary. Joowon and Haesoo could have changed in other ways. Taku was just there to add drama. Idc about his partner nor do I want to see them at all, I have had enough of him but that just my personal opinion. I hope he is fine tho.
You explained what I’ve been trying to get across so well ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yeah most of all, I’m more disappointed in the author. I sometimes have these expectations of certain stories and characters to develop, and feel as if the author could’ve had a deeper message or reasonings behind stuff- but always get let down when it turns out to be nothing or just something simple. I wonder in those cases if sometimes the author had to cut the story short and just make up some quick writing, or if I just imagine the plot to become too good.
Most of all I especially hate it when authors use a character as an excuse to push the canon relationship forward (unless they’re originally set up to be the antagonist/villain). Like the author could’ve just focused on joowon and haesoo’s own development rather than throw in a second lead to help them realize their feelings. When authors become dependent on using a third party to make their story good, I feel like that’s when it gets even more disappointing. Some stories that I find great because they didn’t depend on a second lead or rival to get the two main character’s relationship moving (yet still had drama on their own):
-bj Alex
-Heesu in class 2
-h&h Roman company
-blood link
-banana scandal
-walk on water
-down and dirty
-window to window
-shame application
-to take an enemy’s heart
Most of these stories focused on issues between the main characters or situations around them^^
But then again it may be because those stories aren’t really love triangles(￣∇￣")
I read this one romance story where it was another kind of love square. The first lead (actually antagonist by the end) was a prince and was planning to take over his older brother’s place to become king. I had high expectations for the story as I thought there was a way bigger picture and deep reasoning for why he was doing this. Turns out that he actually didn’t dislike his older brother and his brother was actually the one person he genuinely liked out of everyone (not love) but that was it. I don’t even think he even remembered why he did what he did in the first place. He ended up getting both the FL and second lead (his brother) killed. And he ended up being the only one to win anything.
What was odd was that before, he was known to not be very good at doing prince duties or cared for it at all. He liked to play around with ladies and travel. It wasn’t a good ending because the antagonist and love rival chick ended up being happy (though I don’t know if the guy was truly happy, his character was hard to read). I felt as if the author made big plans but had to cut it short so abruptly
The whole point of Taku's love was that it was selfish, not selfless.
Of course you are right, we can't control our feelings and everyone has their own vision of ideal love.
I was talking more about romantic, literature, idealistic and selfless love.
Your example was imo a little bit missed, like not only getting cheated on and then being left behind... Is completely different story. Someone hurt you deliberately, there wasn't some magical force that forced him to sleep with that person. Cheating was against the rules they agreed to (monogamous relationship). He broke the rules they agreed to. But Haesoo stuck to the agreement.
My problem with that particular scene was the fact that he spoke this words out loud. No one forces him to feel happy and wish Haesoo happiness. But through the whole scene he was harsh and his words were unkind. You can praise it's human, that's it's being raw and honest, it's realistic etc but it doesn't change the fact that's his words were unnecessary unpleasant.
Amazing analysis. I completely agree.
"He didn't have character development and yet his fans are happy with it? I would have been pretty dissapointed if Joowon or Haesoo never learned anything or changed at all. It's realistic? Yes. But, his character has a message? Not a good one."
Exactly. Taku's development was very faint although he got a lot on screen time. I'm not his biggest fan at this point but I'm disappointed in the lack of character development and don't understand how his fans are praising and glorifying his actions and behaviour to the very end.
"The way I would have respected Taku if he understood he was being selfish and childish with him trying to maintain a relationship where his boyfriend is simply being kind to him. Not in love him. Taku knew that he had nothing to complain because Haesoo did try to love him but then he goes and do this? No, he never changed and that's sad. "
This.
And I agree with ばかみたい
" I don't agree with you: Every person should be selfless BUT not everyone choose to do this***"
Imo we should aspire to being selfless. Of course we are just humans with our flaws and weaknesses and it doesn't make us horrible people. But still imo being selfless is something we can aspire too.
Exactly. The point of his words was to highlight his overall character, how his love was selfish type to the read. I also don't find anything praiseworthy about it.
All in all very good post and comparison!
This was a good analysis. I think some of his fans are in denial at this point as we never really saw his character move past that selfishness of his. His lack of development is not something to celebrate?? His actions are "realistic", does that mean those actions are GOOD? lol nope.
What would've been *actual* development for him would be to realize: Haesoo is not a piece of candy. He's a real human with real feelings, and he can't MAKE Haesoo love him. Also he should've realized that Haesoo was never obliged to return his feelings because of the pact they made *together* so being spiteful towards him like this is wrong. Like if Haesoo genuinely wronged him (aka he used Taku as a rebound and Taku was unaware of that was toyed with) his reaction would've made sense. But alas, their story is not that.
sad and upset over the lack of joohae christmas art,,
even rapist seungho and nakyum (from POTN manhwa) got cute art bruh
yeongdam come on T^T
dang youre right....
this is a travesty. a highway robbery.
If the new update is not about Joohae ...
we riot (but no harassing yeongha cause we arent toxic mfs)
Ugh. potn has gotten so dull- seungho pounds nakyum’s but, nakyum cries. Rinse, repeat.
I’m tired of potn... honestly what’s is the point to rape NK again ... anyways
JOOHAE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL CHAPTER PLS T^T I wanna see them happy and together and omg kiss under the mistletoe? cuteeee ╥﹏╥
JOOWON'S LETTER THOUGH.
"Haesoo you're my dream"
And then he ends it off with saying that haesoo is probably gonna laugh in his face for being a cheesy motherfcker.
LMAOOO WHEN I SAY I LOVE THIS MAN. HE IS SO SWEET, SO GENUINE. GONE IS THAT ARROGANT DUDE AT THE START OF THE STORY THAT ACTED LIKE BEING ROMANTIC WAS POINTLESS SINCE HE SAID HAESOO WOULDNT LEAVE HIM ANYWAY.
Min Kyuri was right, he's like a real protagonist of a romance story now ;^; i love him
kinda felt bad for taku expressing genuine feelings of hurt over this. But alsooo, he is no "victim" here so I shake my head at taku stans that wanna act like he was. You can't get "led on" if you literally TELL someone that they can use you, and are 100% aware that they like someone else.
one thing that he did in this chapter that really pissed me off though: like sir. maybe you could stop thinking about "losing haesoo" for two seconds (cant lose what you never had), and show at least a LITTLE worry for haesoo's emotional/mental wellbeing knowing the love of his life got in a serious car crash/might even be dead for all you know LOL. like, even as a friend or coworker or whatever, you could think about that.
Going on tiktok/twitter makes me realize that a lot of Taku stans are minors and they honestly just dont seem mature enough to understand the story. They really view Loh as "haesoo = victim, joowon = perpetrator, taku = haesoo's saviour", which is possibly the furthest thing this story could ever be.
And I dont mean you can't be mature AND support Taku/Taehae. But a mature reader would realize that Taku was selfish, and used manipulative tactics to get Haesoo. So yes: you can still like Taku's character, since all Loh characters have their flaws. But also understand that he wasn't any "saviour" for Haesoo. What a joke. The relationship between him and Haesoo wasn't healthy, as it was based on them using each other. In contrast, Joowon and Haesoo's unhealthy relationship is not about abuser and victim lol. It's about a pair broken through familial/societal pressures and miscommunication (eg. Haesoo not realizing that Joowon said "dont fall for me", not because he doesnt love Haesoo. But because he's scared that they'll be separated if they define their relationship // Meanwhile Joowon not realizing that it wasnt Haesoo's CHOICE to abandon him). And the development in this story does not involve "escaping" the relationship. It's about the characters being brave enough to FIX their relationship, and face their fears to admit their feelings for someone they genuinely love.
The immature taku/taehae stans also see the stepbrother issue in black and white, and completely ignore all the CONTEXT this story gives: about how how Haesoo and Joowon are literally two strangers with no biological relation, forced to live in under the same roof by their parents at age 16 (something they never wanted). They live together for barely 3 years and develop zero sibling bond or connection, but liked each other romantically close to the start. They met up years later after the divorce, and at this point in the story it's been over 8+ years of them being completely unrelated, not even a paper to say theyre "siblings". Like I dont know why these kids reading Loh refuse to understand that this is a morally grey situation and that Joohae's relationship is understandable in many ways despite hints of taboo lol
me:who tf thought like that !?!?!?*clickes the plus* damnnnnn...im to lazy to read all that TwT
lol it's all good. basically this is just me ranting about how the story definitely isnt THAT, and taku isn't a perfect character and taehae's relationship isnt healthy. and ranting abt the stepbrother "issue" lol
louderrrrr
finally someone understands,,, i agree om what u said ♡
preach!
SIS LOUDER!!!! PREACH!!!!
Finally someone I hope all those minors read this and be educated about it
she did not sutter
*stutter
YES!! I totally agree with you! Because all three of them have flaws but slowly they begin to change. Tbh at first I really have love and hate relationship with this manga because some part really frustrating me but what I love the most about this manga is I can see the characters development which is amazing!ヾ(☆▽☆)
GO OFF!! Exactly what I’ve been wanting to say. Love isn’t some kind of black and white situation. They’re all human after all, the context behind their feelings throughout this whole story is actually rlly complex which is why every character is toxic. They are all learning from their experiences by being together. Like in Taku’s situation, he’s slowly understanding how it is to love someone and this relationship with Haesoo will impact him in the future to actually take his romantic relationships with people much seriously. He realized how it is to love someone deeply and not just abandoning them just like his previous partners
Omg thank you. I be saying to myself these Taku stans must be children or just bad at reading cuz they be shitting on Joohae and act like Taku is a whole ass angel
All the flashbacks of Haesoo and Joowon as kids are so bittersweet to me. I love how Yeongha shows pieces of their past little by little, cause it makes chapter 94 way more satisfying (imma go reread and cry lol)
Like them trying to protect each other no matter what as dumb little teens, being each others firsts, going on little escapades together outside school and shit >< And the fact that Haesoo HATED IT whenever someone called them brothers cause he had feelings for Joowon from the start? Meanwhile Joowon acting as "brotherly" as possible around other ppl (despite Haesoo hating it) because he didn't want their parents to think something was wrong and separate them. That was literally his biggest fear and it came true. And dont get me started on the fight issue. Joowon literally decided he was ready to get suspended and give up on his acting debut FOR HAESOO'S SAKE. Like he just didn't want Haesoo to get punished for starting a fight,, a dumbass with a heart of gold.
They were very clearly in? love? and they took 10 years to admit it to each other
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if you don't mind (and if you remember), could you list the chapters that consisted of joohae flashbacks?? i want to reread them all thanks to this comment lol <3
I actually made this album with all their flashback scenes :)))
http://www.mangago.zone/home/album/154335/
Chapter 41, 71, 72 & 73 are entire chapters with only their past. So I only put in the first pages of those 4 chapters (so you can click the chapter link, thats under the description)
ahh tysm!
Honestly karma caught up with Taku.
He played games with Haesoo from the get go, being entertained by the thought of Haesoo writing a story about him once he's gone, as shown in this very latest chapter. And considering all the previous models he toyed around with..... yeah he had this coming ╮(￣▽￣)╭
also maybe if some taku stans bothered idk... reading??? there were so many chapters and panels that talked about taku's manipulative actions and thoughts. instead yall act illiterate in the comments, being all like "huhuhu my aNgEL tAkU did not manipulate or take advantage of anyone, he was so selfless and pure, haesoo led him on and joowon is tOxIc. and then blocking ppl when they get called out their pure bs
YES BRO PREACH
The literally ignore all those toxic traits of taku ngl and say that he deserve the world pfft.
EXACTLY and Haesoo did NOT lead him on. He made it clear from the start he was not ready for a relationship or whatsoever bc his wounds were still fresh from his break up with joowon. However it was Taku who INSISTED and BEGGED for a temporary relationship