Yojam January 29, 2019 6:45 am

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To people who portrays Diesel as the bad guy because there is a possibility that he will keep Ein's secret from Yanek, I say...

...the choice is not so easy.
On one side there is the Yanek who saved Diesel from the rapist and is his everything, on the other hand there is Ein, a man to whom he feels a strong connection, a virtual stranger who also saved Diesel's ass since he has not told about his existence to his collegue (so Ein guaranteed him a secure future, without the risk of being chased by the police).
After the separation with his dad, diesel has known only the nastiest side of the world until Yanek and Ein, so from his point of view he surely feels he owes them both, not only Yanek. So whatever the choice he will wrong the other party.

Imagine both your parents are in danger and you have to choose who to save. You can't save both of them, because saving one means the death of the other. It's a nightmare that comes true, and the choice is not so easy nor immediate, it's undestable if you take your time to make a decision.

I hope Diesel will keep Ein's secret, not because he might feel more for him, but because Yanek tends to kill anyone who represents a danger to him, while if Yanek does not know Ein's secret, the only danger is that he ends up in jail

    Sexy crab January 29, 2019 11:58 am

    The choice is not easy, but exist.
    He is with man who saved him and risks his life and still not saying him true, that Ein spying him snd want to put him into prision oo rest of his life. If Diesel cares about him, then he would do anything to protect Yanek from this future.
    Diesel not do this, co he must not cared about him too much like person. In that case he should leave him and stop he so doublefaced towards person, who cares alot about him.
    Problem with Diesel is that he do nothing, queit watching like others want bring Yanek down and do anything.
    He has two honest option:
    1. Staying with Yanek and telling him true
    2. Leave him, since he doesn't want to telling him that close to him perople betraying him.
    But he doesn't choose any of them, only staying passive and calculated.

    strangenight January 29, 2019 12:06 pm

    If Diesel stays with Yanek and not telling him true, then he will be resposible for whatever happens to Yanek.
    Spending in prison you whole life is something big, for some ppl it is worse than be death and if u are in love with someone, you just want to protect this person.
    Since Diesel doesn t do this, that means thst he not carry to much for him snd doesn't love him. In that case he should be stop be his l9lever and leave him. Yanek saved Diesel life and gives him home. At last he deserves on honesty from Diesel.

    Yojam January 29, 2019 2:00 pm

    My post is not questioning whether Diesel has a choice or not, obviouly there is but the scenario you are describing has not happened yet, and maybe it won't happen, because that is not the only way the situation could unfold.

    I'm adressesing people who are quick to label him as a calculating person and went as far as portraying him as a villain, only because he was not quick enough to expose Ein's secret. If Yanek deserves Diesel's loyality, so does Ein, because both of them helped him in their own way.

    If one day we were faced with the question "Which of your parent would you save from death, given the possibility?", I think there will be no one who could answer right away (unless you hate one of your parent.)
    So does it mean we are ALL potentially calculating liar, passive and the villain of our life?

    Sexy crab January 29, 2019 5:53 pm
    My post is not questioning whether Diesel has a choice or not, obviouly there is but the scenario you are describing has not happened yet, and maybe it won't happen, because that is not the only way the situat... Yojam

    I don't agreebwith you here.
    If I love someone and i would know, that he is in dangerous, then i would do everything to protect him. I know, that Yanek is criminal, but it's doesn't mater here, cause if we talking about close person in our life like parents, child or lever. We are not objective towards people who we love.

    For example Ein, he's policeman, and he trys covered Diesel. He know, that Diesel killed many people and he's also criminal, yet he not objective towards him and use double standards towards him, only cause he loves him. That's ok to me.
    This same is for Yanek. If Diesel truly loves him, then he would tell him that he is dangerous and trys to protect him from policeman who want to destroying his life. Puting into prison on 30 years or more is something really big, u will not saying so lightly about this, it would be connected to Diesel, who for killing people also deserve for 25 years oin prison or more.
    Yanek risks his life for Diesel to save him, Ein trys covered Diesel crimes and protects him from prison, evryone who cares about someone did things like that, but Diesel NO. It's seems like he doesn't loves Yanek or even cares to much about him. He knows, that Ein spying him and wants brings him down and still doing nothing. His passive is silent agreement on whatever happens in Yanek future.
    Diesel knows, that someone spying around here and that Ein is lier, still is silent. Later he known that Ein is policman who want to put Yanek into prison, he still stay with him, probably for his own sake. He see how Yanek go out with Ein. If Diesel cares about him, then he should run to him and say him to stay with him, he even doesn't have to him dirsectly about Ein, but in that way prevents to polce not get more Information about his criminal life.

    Diesel if wants cover Ein, he can even not directly tell Yanek about Ein, just said him, that he feels someone else scent in house, that he finds bugs, that police probably follow him and he should stop criminal buissness for some time.

    Diesel not doing anything and still stay with Yanek. If he not cares about him, then he should leave. Yanek saved him from basment, give hims home, learn how to he strong and changes his life for better and in this points Yanek deserves to Diesel be honest and tell him that he is in dangerous.

    People have good reasons here to think, that Diesel is calculated. Ein and Yanek try protect him, but Diesel just let silent about rhat Yanek is in erious dangerous and not ven trys prevent Yanek from going out with Ein, who spying him and this sime let police collects more informations about Yanek, which can brings him down in future. That's not what honest and carying person does. Worst part is, that Yanek believes him, thinks that he honest with him and Diesel is person, who he can trusts.
    I change my opinion about Diesel after last two chapters.
    His behaviors gives reason to think about him like calculeted and doublefaced person.

    Yojam January 29, 2019 8:10 pm

    So far Diesel has not made a choice. The scenario you are describing, where he remains by Yanek's side sill protecting Ein has not happened yet, and maybe it won't happen. Maybe Diesel would protect Ein's secret, however he would warn him that if he continue to pretend to be Yanek's friend he will have to harm him, now that his secret is exposed to Diesel.

    As regards Diesel not saying anything about his suspicion from the beginning, I think he did the most reasonable thing.
    On one side we have Yanek, who taught Diesel that the world is a dangerous place, where respect is earned by violence and fear (chapter 46.) and we all are seeing that Yanek is not someone who can comptomise, if you are not a friend you are a treat who sould be eliminated without further discussion. As he said "break them in, before they break you".
    On the other side we have Ein, who wants to frame Yanek and put him in jail. We know his real intention, not Diesel, so when he doesn't tell anything about his suspicions, which is based only on Ein smelling like lie and not other certain proof, I think "thank god, this guy is not so blinded by love to unleash a rabid dog (i.e. Yanek) toward a person only because he smells like lie". It shows me that Diesel is willing to risk his life for Yanek, but not the life of another person who is innocent until proven guilty.

    So returning to the main point of my argument.
    Both Yanek and Ein is important for Diesel, and my previous post is trying to show you, and whoever think like you, that just because Diesel hesitates, it does not mean he is a double-faced, calculating and passive liar or that he does not love Yanek enough. For me it means that Diesel is not so blindly in love with Yanek to not see that also Ein deserves his loyality. We would hesitate too if we have to choose between which of our loved one we sould save from a harmful situation.

    If after this post I couldn't make you understand my point of view, I think we can end the discussion here since further discussion would be redundant, and I don't think you and I have time to make a tread with 155 repetive, boring answers ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    morning_dew January 29, 2019 8:33 pm
    So far Diesel has not made a choice. The scenario you are describing, where he remains by Yanek's side sill protecting Ein has not happened yet, and maybe it won't happen. Maybe Diesel would protect Ein's secr... Yojam

    Just want to drop in and say, I absolutely agree with what you are saying. This whole situation isn't as black and white as it seems.

    Yojam January 29, 2019 9:55 pm
    Just want to drop in and say, I absolutely agree with what you are saying. This whole situation isn't as black and white as it seems. morning_dew

    You summarized my message perfectly

    tilted human January 29, 2019 10:02 pm

    I' m not agree.
    For now, relationship with Yanek isn't on this same level what with Ein. Diesel lives with Yanek, is his lover and was saved by him. I don't think, that Diesel loves Yanek, but he is some indebet towards him. He not has to say him directly about Ein, but he should telling him, that someone spying him and are bugs in his house.

    Someone said here, that Diesel who knowing, who is Ein, let Yanek go out with him, what means that Ein during, that night can collect more information about Yanek, which could destroy his future life. Diesel could not allow this, but he only looking silent, that police collects informations about Yanek.
    That's not fair. We can not like Yanek, but he helped Diesel, risks his life for him and made his life better. He deserves to know, that he is in dangerous and he should disapeare for some time. Diesel not has to say him true about Ein, but he should tell him about bugs and that he is in dangerous.
    Diesel choose being passive, so he will be responsible for what happens in Yanek future. Diesel has choice to protects in this same time Yanek and Ein, but he not does it and still staying in Yanek home as his lover and let him think, that he is honest with him.

    Diesel is really unfair here. Yanek trys protect him, Ein trys protect him, but he doesn't do anything to protect Yanek or even tell him, that he is in dangerous and are bugs in his house.
    Yanek and Ein are fair and i like them both, but
    Diesel is disingenuous here and i lost my sympathy for him.

    tilted human January 29, 2019 10:13 pm
    So far Diesel has not made a choice. The scenario you are describing, where he remains by Yanek's side sill protecting Ein has not happened yet, and maybe it won't happen. Maybe Diesel would protect Ein's secr... Yojam

    Then tell me why Diesel can just say, that he feels someone scen in their house and finds bugs,? He not have to say him about Ein, but he can let him know, that he is in dangerous and not let him go with Ein, that night to Ein has more possibility to collects evidences against him? He's just passive. Diesel has occasion to does it.
    Ein doesn't tell his boss about Diesel, Yaneknrisks his life for him and wonder about killing Ein to keeps Diesel secret. That what doing people, who carrying about you. But Diesel knowing true and consequences is silent and giving in this same time agreement on whatever happend to Yanek. Yanek deserves on something more from Diesel.
    That's really look like Diesel is just calculeted.

    Yanek isn.'t important for Diesel, cause he not protects him. He has possibility to keeps Ein secretor even wsrning him and in this same time protects Yanek, but he not chooses this option. That' s sad.

    strangenight January 29, 2019 10:25 pm
    You summarized my message perfectly Yojam

    Diesel has possibility to keep Ein secret and protects Yanek in this same time. Diesel can not love Yanek, but for what he done for him, he should say him about dangerous, that he should just disappear for some time.
    Diesel doesn't have to choose between Yanek and Ein live.
    Diesel also had occasion to warn Yanek about this. He can protect both Yanek and Ein, but he passivly watches like Yanek is bringing down by others and in this same time live with him as lover.
    Seriously Diesel behavior here is awful.

    Sakura January 29, 2019 10:59 pm
    Diesel has possibility to keep Ein secret and protects Yanek in this same time. Diesel can not love Yanek, but for what he done for him, he should say him about dangerous, that he should just disappear for some... strangenight

    Diesel kind of does have to choose between their lives, because Diesel is around Yanek and knows how he is. He is a man with a bit of a violent streak, and more than likely would take Ein out in an instant if he found him to be a threat to him.

    For Yanek, if everything went right it would have been jail time and after that Yanek could live his life if he does not get that long of a sentence, but for Ein it would have been death. And Diesel would have blood on his hands of a man who was the first to comfort him, who showed him care fpr his well-being and kindness, who protected him from the cops, and who saved his (and Yanek's too) life. He really can't win either way tbh. He can't save both unfortunately. It's kind of a tough situation imo.

    Yojam January 29, 2019 11:03 pm

    To @strangenight and @tilted human, I will answer without quoting anyone in particular because your messages are similar

    If you count the numeber of thing Yanek did to help Diesel (saving from the rapist, making him a good fighter,giving him a feeling of safety), he will win aganst Ein.
    But in the matter of feeling quality is more importante than numbers. After being separated from his father, Diesel received kindness only from Yanek and Ein which puts them on the same level, because If you lived in total darkness for a long time, when you finally see light, it doesn't matter if the sources of light aren't shining equally and one is brighter than another, you are just thankfull that they exist.

    Diesel could/sould/must have esposed Ein's secret after ch 50, but in the same chapter Ein showed that he is interested in Diesel's well-being, whiche brings us back to the main point of my post:he is hesitating because his loyality is divited between two people who have showed him kindnes, he is taking his time maybe because he wants to save both of them (it is something I would have done, if I were diesel) Did you see his conflicted expressione at the last panel?At least give him enought time to make up his mind. People could say he is being indecisive, but not that he is double-faced, passive and a villain

    strangenight January 29, 2019 11:16 pm
    To @strangenight and @tilted human, I will answer without quoting anyone in particular because your messages are similarIf you count the numeber of thing Yanek did to help Diesel (saving from the rapist, making... Yojam

    Nooo, cause Diesel doesn't have to choose between Yanek and Ein live. He has possibility to protects both. He can keep Ein secret and yet in this same protect Yanek from spying. You talk like only possibility was Yanek or Ein life, but it's not true.
    He still doing nothing to protect Yanek from danger. It's like he just doesn't care about him at all. And i don't agree with you again. On this point of story, where we are Yanek deserves much more from Diesel. Diesel not has to say him about Ein, but he can says him about for example:
    1. Bugs in their house
    2. Someone else scent is in house, so someone intuding here
    3 He should hidden on some time.
    4. He shoudn't go with Ein cause some reson (to not allows Ein collects more informations about him, since he knows, that he's poluceman)
    5. He hears talk os some policman close to house, etc...

    Diesel can do something to protects Yanek without telling him about Ein, but he choose passive and let police brings Yanek down. Yanek deserves from him much more. Last chapters shows Diesel in really bad light.

    strangenight January 29, 2019 11:18 pm
    Nooo, cause Diesel doesn't have to choose between Yanek and Ein live. He has possibility to protects both. He can keep Ein secret and yet in this same protect Yanek from spying. You talk like only possibility w... strangenight

    ...and he still staying with him, leting bealive him, that he is his honest lover and Yanek can trust him #-.-)

    strangenight January 29, 2019 11:23 pm
    Diesel kind of does have to choose between their lives, because Diesel is around Yanek and knows how he is. He is a man with a bit of a violent streak, and more than likely would take Ein out in an instant if h... Sakura

    He doesn't have to chooses, he has possibility to protect them both, but he not doing it.

    And btw for Diesel also right would be 25 years in jail or more for killing many people and being criminal. But a lot people use here double standard towards Yanek and Diesel crimes
    #-.-)
    If Diesel doesn't do anything, then he will have Yanek blood on his hands, he not even has to choose between Yanek and Ein live, he only must stop being passive, but he choose not...

    Yojam January 29, 2019 11:54 pm
    Nooo, cause Diesel doesn't have to choose between Yanek and Ein live. He has possibility to protects both. He can keep Ein secret and yet in this same protect Yanek from spying. You talk like only possibility w... strangenight

    Diesel has not had the possibility to say all of this to Yanek yet, because he only came back home later, but than there is the fighting scene.
    Diesel can be evasive in saying there is a mole but do you think a control freak like Yanek whould not probe until Diesel caves and reveals Ein's name?I love Diesel to bits, but he is a simpletom compared to a master mind like Yanek. If ch 51 tranlation is right, my analisis of Diesel charachter is correct. Yanek asked if Diesel didn't know anything about Ein, he said no but Yanek doesn't seem convinced.
    The possibility is:
    -Diesel does not know how to lie well
    -yanek is being paranoid
    -both option are right

    Fo me not telling Yanek anything was the right choice. But it does not mean Diesel will sit back and won't do anything while Yanek goes towards his defeat. Diesel could speak to Ein and warn him that he can't go near Yanek anymore otherwise he will be obbligated to harm him. But it take times to make a decision, especially if your loyality is divited.

    strangenight January 30, 2019 12:14 am
    Diesel has not had the possibility to say all of this to Yanek yet, because he only came back home later, but than there is the fighting scene.Diesel can be evasive in saying there is a mole but do you think a ... Yojam

    You don't have right here. He has possibility. He looks throw window like Yanek and Ein sgoing out together from his house. Thay was moment to make decission. He was in juman form, he could run that before he leave he must says something important him.

    That during his absense were two unknonn policeman, who cheeks bugs in his house and talking about Yanek drugs deliver. That they knows about these a lot.
    Yanek is smart man. He would hidden for some time and not put himself on so big risk, since police about him so much. Maybe he would leave Berlin, but he would be save. Diesel doesn't have to say him anything about Ein. Diesel would save him in that way and woudn't be in any debets towards h
    im anymore. Diesel had this chance...

    Yanek isn't control freak and he carrying about Diesel, that's why what diesel does is wrong. Diesel can disapear in one moment and run from Yanek after telling him true. He has this possibility.
    Yanek deserved be saved by Diesel for Yanek made for him, then he can do whatever he want.
    But cause he didn't do this, he's dishonest and unloyal towards Yanek. He not have to choose between Ein and Yanek life.

    Yojam January 30, 2019 1:03 am

    Lets analyze the time laps:
    A-ein leaves the house
    B- - it' night and Diesel transform back to human
    C-yanek and Ein return to the house and fight the bad guy
    D- dawn breaks and Diesel reverts to dog form

    From B to C it' the only moment when Diesel could go to Yanek, so approximately he has 12 hours. But you have to take away the time in which Diesel was held as an hostage, and it' likely he was torturated so Diesel had approximately 8 hours to overcome his confusion, make up his mind and make a choice which benefits both party, and if something goes wrong he will be responsible for someone death.
    if I were in him I would hope to go to sleep and not wake up anymore

    strangenight January 30, 2019 1:31 am
    Lets analyze the time laps:A-ein leaves the houseB- - it' night and Diesel transform back to humanC-yanek and Ein return to the house and fight the bad guyD- dawn breaks and Diesel reverts to dog formFrom B to ... Yojam

    Diesel known long time, that someone spying Yanek amd Ein lying. He has a lot time to thinks about this. Also is like year.or more, since Yanek finds Diesel. He jas time to recover and be stronger. He made his own decission like not saying.Yanek true. We can't whole time treat him lile child.
    People who cares about other can make decision quick like:
    -Ein, when decides not telling his boss true about Diesel.
    -Yanek who defenless runing to find and help Diesel
    -Diesel runing to Ein in Soul to save him
    But this are things, what you are doing, when you actually cares, or even love someone.
    Diesel looking throw window how Ein and Yanek going out together. That Yanek again going with spy who has now great opurtunity to collects more evidence against Yanek and does nothing to prevent him from this. It's shows the best Diesel true feelings toward Yanek and his character.
    He could run to Yanek and says him that he must told him something importnat. Yanek wasn't in home like 2 days and this during time polce vistits his house and cheeks moles and talking about his drugs deliver.

    Yanek wouldn't be suspission if he would hear this from Diesel, not just must assume alone after attack, that Diesel not telling him everything, what is actually true. Diesel has opurtunity to save Yanek without explose Ein secrets. That he would stay after this with Yanek would be his own decission, couse he's able to do this.

    Yanek made for Diesel a lot and carrying about him, so he deserves from him at last hearing about threatening him danger.
    Cause Diesel staying passive, living with him and do nothing to protect him, he gives in that way silent agreement on whatever happen in future to Yanek. These are reasons why some people don't like Diesel.
    His behavior here is wrongun, fair, dishonest and maybe even calculeted.

    Sakura January 30, 2019 1:52 am
    You don't have right here. He has possibility. He looks throw window like Yanek and Ein sgoing out together from his house. Thay was moment to make decission. He was in juman form, he could run that before he l... strangenight

    Look back at ch 50 again. Ein left alone, he met Yanek at whatever the place they were supposed to meet. Diesel did not have the time to tell Yanek. The guys outside, were more than likely not policemen and are more than likely related to the Chinese mafia. The house is not bugged, they are observing what is going on from the outside.

    Before the day he got attacked, Diesel had no idea or had any kind of proof that Ein was an undercover cop. He only knew that he smelled like lies, but did not know what.

    It is too late now, for him to save both. Because Ein kind of blew his cover to save them and Yanek is now on to him. Even if Diesel is honest with Yanek in the next chapter, Yanek is not going to run to Berlin or anywhere.

    Yojam January 30, 2019 2:29 am

    As @sakura pointed out Diesel only discovered Ein secret in ch 50. Before he smelled lie from Ein but does not have proof that he is a danger to Yanek.

    Yanek was not at home for 1 day (I don't understand what you are refferring to when when you said Yanek was not home for 2 say). Even Ein said "he will be back al dawn tomorrow"

    People can make quick decision if it means saving someone, but it' a great responsability when your action will lead someone' death, no matter what you choose.
    Diesel has always put his life in danger for Yanek, because from his prespective he is the good guy and the rest is evil. But this time the difference betweent Yanek and Ein is not so clear, because he saw that also Ein is a good guy who deserves his loyality.

    I don't know if you are purposly repeating the same tune, but if that's not the case and if you have enough patience to re-read carfully my previous post, you will see that I already said why I don't agree with you.
    I think I had said all I that has to be said and I don't wish to repeat myself ( ̄∇ ̄)

    strangenight January 30, 2019 3:09 am
    As @sakura pointed out Diesel only discovered Ein secret in ch 50. Before he smelled lie from Ein but does not have proof that he is a danger to Yanek.Yanek was not at home for 1 day (I don't understand what yo... Yojam

    Yanek isn't conrtrol freak, i m curious why you call him that? It's funny how you tell, that Yanek is paranoid, cause he was assuming that Diesel isn't honest with him, when actually this is true. It's not being paranoid, only have to good sense. Yanek isn't mastermind, cause he wasn't discover, that Diesel not saying him true about his suspission towards Ein during living together like lovers.

    Idea to warns Ein is rather bad, since danger is not Ein himself only police who spying Yanek and collected evidences against him. That doesn't metter who ersonally does it. Important thing is that Yanek is in danger. Better idea would be just anonymus warn Ein or maybe even personally, that Ein should run, cause Yanek suspects him, if Diesel wants to protect Ein so much.

    I cheek again chapter 51 and i was wrong, that Yanek and Ein go out together. But this meeting at night isn't something common, but it's really important. When Ein was tallking with his boss in 51 chapter, he told him that at night Yanek meet with his selleman and they will make huge drug transaction. Ein will get finaly occasion to collect final evidences against Yanek and Diesel was hearing about this. Diesel was looking like Ein going out from house. He could run to him and asks him where he will meet with Yanek or just follow him to warn Yanek. Yanek risks his lie for him, so he just could try do something to warning Yanek about danger before transaction will have place.
    Diesel knows that druging this transaction, Yanek will be with spying him policeman. He could try prevent this, but he does nothing. If Diesel told about this Yanek, he would be carefull, maybe leave Berlin or back to Bulagria, but he would be alieve. That was worth to try. That was chance for Diesel to returns favor and saves Yanek.
    It couldn't work, but he would try and since Yanek can risks his life in potentially lethal situation for him, then Diesel could do this much for him. You probably don't like Yanek, but for everything what he did for Diesel, he deserves this much from him.
    It will be fair, cause Yanek made for Diesel much more, than only saved him from priest.
    Being passive is worst option, cause it's silent agreement on bad things, which can happen to Yanek in future, cause this. It's looks like Yanek cares much more about Diesel, than Diesel about him (If he cares at all).
    That's reasons why people can not like Diesel and they have rights to do this.

    Yojam January 30, 2019 9:56 am

    I don't know how much the tranlation of ch 52 is correct, but if it is then at the end Yanek kind of asked if Diesel knew that Ein was hiding something and he said no, but Yanek was skeptical. Seeing Diesel expression there is not a clue about him lying (like fidgeting, averting your eyes) rather he seems a bit catatonic because of the wound..so how the heck someone can suspect him lying?Yanek went from giving a blowjob and telling Diesel to never leave him to suspecting him in 24 h. You can call it "good sense" but I say he is being paranoid.

    When I said Yanek is a mastermind, I was comparing his twisted mind with the simplicity of Diesel mind. I also said Diesel is a simpleton, didn't I?

    For me Yanek is a control-freack because he manipulated Diesel into becoming a killing machine and then he made it seem that if Diesel leaves him he will be mistrated. On one hand he taught him how to fend for himself, on the hand he is breacking his self-confidence. It seems Yanek did not have the purest intention in making Diesel strong.

    In ch 38 when the bad guy is trying to broke into Ein' house he was talking on the phone and said "I'll try my best so that won't be any corpse to deal with" meaning he will try to not kill anyone.
    If Diesel does not reveal Ein's secret, the only danger for Yanek in ending up in jail, because Ein kills only if it is really necessary. So if Yanek is dead It is very likely that he did something that made his death the only option.

    strangenight January 30, 2019 11:49 am
    I don't know how much the tranlation of ch 52 is correct, but if it is then at the end Yanek kind of asked if Diesel knew that Ein was hiding something and he said no, but Yanek was skeptical. Seeing Diesel exp... Yojam

    Yanek was starting suspect Diesel, cause he has reason to fo this. Diesel lying to.Yanek and his senses telling him true. It's not paranoid, but good intuition. He's smart guy and about lying you can asume after many details, Yanek is correct here.
    Yanek also not suspects Diesel before, ca7se he telling him about his crimes and let him live with him. He's start doing this now, cause actually wlhis suspections are correct. It's not paroinoid when you think, that someone lying to you and he actually does it.

    You know that Yanek really cares about Diesel, he is infatueatted with him and risks his life for him. It's not common behavior for man like him, but you describie him like Diesel was only for him. You not.risks your life without thinking and go full rush deffendles in house with asassians who want to kill you for person, who is only toy for you. He really cares about him, just look 52 chapter, but you describe him like he only using Diesel.
    And here we go again. I really don't like people saying about Diesel like some doll. Just bad bad Yanek manipuletes him to everything and poor sint Diewel hasn't own wil anf he 8s n9t resposible for nothing in his life.
    I don't think that Diesel was forced to killing i think that he could just start doing it naturally since he probably almost always goes out with him. It was also his decission, like about not telling Yanek true. Diesel doesn't have problem too killing civil innocent peoplr like Minsuk-ex, so he is also criminal.
    Ein didn't kill people, cause he is policeman and Yanek is criminal, he not doing this for fun, but this is how it looks in criminal world. Diesel also killing people and want does it to civil man in Seoul.
    And you say about jail like something light. Yanek can get into prison on 25 years on more. If it's something so light, so Diesel also should go to prison on more than 25 years, but Yanek and Ein try protect him from this. Even Ein just lying about Diesel and trys cover his murders, cause going to jail on your whole life is horrible and he doesn't want to this happens to Diesel. It's something huge, but we have double standards towards Diesel and Yanek.
    Diesel could prevent police from collect more informations about Yanek and not expose Ein secret in this same time. He could saves man, who saved him, risks his life for him, helps him become somethig stronger, who gives him home and with who he sleaping and living, but he decides not. He doesn't cares about Yanek, doing nothing to protect him, when he actually is protected by him. He not must stay with Yanek, but he should helps him and telling him true about danger.
    This makes him dishonest and calculated. People has reasons to not like him anymore, cause it's looks like he's using Yanek for his own sake.

    Umbrella from Mars January 30, 2019 12:39 pm
    I don't know how much the tranlation of ch 52 is correct, but if it is then at the end Yanek kind of asked if Diesel knew that Ein was hiding something and he said no, but Yanek was skeptical. Seeing Diesel exp... Yojam

    In that case Yanek isn't paranoid. He's careful man.
    Yanek was trusting Diesel, he was talking to him about his work and traffick stuff. If Yanek was suspecting Diesel earler then he wouldn't say him about this.
    Yanek starts to suspect Diesel, after he saw how Ein shout intruders in their knees. That gives him doubts and it's reason why he start think about how much Diesel know and not telling him.
    It's not being paranoid, only good intuition and obswrvation. If Diesel wasn't hide from him what he knows, then Yanek would continue trust him.
    For me Yanek is too sanguine as criminal and that's would ruin him. He suspects Ein, but let him go free. If he kill him in that time, then he would still alive. Criminals must be carerful and don't have hesitations to survive.

    Yojam January 30, 2019 1:01 pm

    To @strangenight and @umbrella from mars

    1)We, the readers, know that Diesel's loyalty is divited, not Yanek. If you can show me a single moment between Yanek and Diesel interaction, when Diesel has SAID or DONE something suspicious (his inner turmoil is known only to us), I will change my mind. Until then, Yanek suspecting Diesel without a clue will remain the behavior of a paranoid.


    2)I'm not saying Diesel is not doing bad thing and he sould not be responsible for them but he is indeed a puppet in Yanek's hand.
    why else would he go fighting people he didn't even know if Yanek didn't manipulate him into believing they are evil? However all those fighting is about Yanek gaining power. Diesel does not want power, he only need love and a safe home.
    You talk about double-standard, but I suspect you don't know the level of emotional dependency someone with abandonment issue has towards people who show them kindness. They receive little compared to how they are willing to give, hoping they will not be abandoned never again.

    I"m happy that Diesel is questioning his loyalty towards Yanek, because it means he is finally waking up from his blind love towards Yanek

    strangenight January 30, 2019 1:46 pm
    To @strangenight and @umbrella from mars1)We, the readers, know that Diesel's loyalty is divited, not Yanek. If you can show me a single moment between Yanek and Diesel interaction, when Diesel has SAID or DON... Yojam

    For me it's really funy, that you call Yanek paranoid, when Yanek was careful, but never suspects Diesel about anything until last attack.
    Loyality of Diesel isn't divited, only is just lack it toward Yanek. Diesel doesn't love Yanek but still living with him and let him think, that he can trust him. He knows, that Yanek is in danger, but he refuse warning him about this. That's not too much for someone who saved you, carring about you, gives you home, tenderness and with who you sleap every night. You now that it's manga? We read panels not watching movie and Yanek subconciouss see some details, what let him get that susspision. Yanek isn't paranoi, cause he not assume some crazy stuff, only something what really Diesel doing. That shows only that he is smart.
    Here definition:

    Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear to the point of DELUSION and IRRATIONALITY.

    Yanek susppision aren't DELUSION or IRATIONALITY. Yanek have right here, it's not some crazy stuffs what he creates without reason in his head.

    Like i said i really don't like when ppl treat Diesel like doll withot conciouss. He made his own decission, for example to not saying true. If so bad Yanek only manipulate him, poor person without own will to does bad things, so why Diesel still wants to kill innocent person in Seoul? Diesel isn't innocent.
    I don't say that Diesel want power, but it's something what he definitlty need in his life, since he's easy target and if he can't protect himself, then he could again finish in some basment. Yanek helps him learn how to defend himself.

    And you aactually have double standard towards Ein, Diesel and Yanek.
    - killing people by Yanek is bad, he deserves go to jail, killing ppl by Diesel is ok, he doesn't deserve prison.
    -Ein covered Diesel murders and protect him. That's great and romantic. Diesel not protectig Yanek from jail, it's ok, he deserves on this, he doesn't must doing it
    - Yanek risks his life for Diesel, ehhh nothing big, he's just manipulative machine.

    Diesel is calculeted here, cause he staying with man who cares about him and in this same time giving silent agreement to whatever happen in Yanek future. He doesn't feel, that he should save Yanek, like Yanek saved him. He has possibility to protect both Yanek and Ein, but he doesn't do it.
    That's why people think about him like doublefaced and don't like him.

    Yojam January 30, 2019 3:08 pm

    Where is the clue that Diesel is lying?when asked if he knew something about Ein, did he fidget or flinch, did he avert his eye?no!because of the wound he was lying down like a corpse on the bed. Even in manga theese kind of facial expression.
    So people who suspect other based on nothing are delusional and irrational. Thank you for confirming that Yanek is paranoid.

    Diesel needs power to fend for himself, but he don't need to take down a bunch of criminal in order to demonstrate that he is not a victim anymore.
    Yanek made Diesel a tought man but why is he trying to destroy Diesel self-confidece by saying that if he leaves him he will suffer?

    "And you aactually have double standard towards Ein, Diesel and Yanek. 
    - killing people by Yanek is bad, he deserves go to jail, killing ppl by Diesel is ok, he doesn't deserve prison.
    -Ein covered Diesel murders and protect him. That's great and romantic. Diesel not protectig Yanek from jail, it's ok, he deserves on this, he doesn't must doing it
    - Yanek risks his life for Diesel, ehhh nothing big, he's just manipulative machine."

    I have never said these things. I only pointed out that if Diesel protects Yanek, Ein will surely die, while if Diesel protects Ein the only danger for Yanek is ending up in jail. I have never said Yanek deserves to die because he is a criminal, but that when he dies it is likely because there will not be any other option.

    "Diesel is calculeted here, cause he staying with man who cares about him and in this same time giving silent agreement to whatever happen in Yanek future. He doesn't feel, that he should save Yanek, like Yanek saved him. He has possibility to protect both Yanek and Ein, but he doesn't do it.
    That's why people think about him like doublefaced and don't like him"

    I already explained why the reasons behind judging Diesel badly for his hesitancy are a bunch of bullshit, at least for me. It's my opinion and you don't have to agree. However we are like two broken disks playing the same tune again and again, trying to convince the other party.
    So unless there are new arguments, for me the discussion ends here.
    See you in other post (⌒▽⌒)

    Yojam January 30, 2019 3:10 pm
    Where is the clue that Diesel is lying?when asked if he knew something about Ein, did he fidget or flinch, did he avert his eye?no!because of the wound he was lying down like a corpse on the bed. Even in manga... Yojam

    *even in manga theese kind of facial expressions and action are portrayed

    strangenight January 30, 2019 4:12 pm
    Where is the clue that Diesel is lying?when asked if he knew something about Ein, did he fidget or flinch, did he avert his eye?no!because of the wound he was lying down like a corpse on the bed. Even in manga... Yojam

    Not telling your lover about, that he is danger, are mols in his house and people close to him is lying. It's not something small. Lying is also hidden important informations from your lover, family and friend, which can, harm him and put him in danger. Like i said, Diesel doesn't have to say him about Ein, it's enough if he saying him that police know about termin and place his transaction and are moles in house.

    Yanek have reasons to suspects Diesel now, cause Diesel gives them himself to him. He's not paranoid cause like it was in dictionary his susspections aren't DEILUSION and IRRATIONALY. You can't say whatever Yanek saw on Diesel face or not cause it's MANGA and he lives with him every day. Yanek alwas trusting Diesel until attack in his house, he just stop doing that now and he has right hete, cause Diesel isn't honest with him. It's not only about face expression, but also deduction:
    - Yanek see how Ein whitout thinking shot intruders in knees. That's not what soldiers do, rather policeman.
    - Diesel also seeing this, but he not sayiying anything. Diesel like werewolf has more sharpened sense, than people
    - sinse Yanek het this conlusion, so why Diesel not? Yanek just starts now thinking that Diesel is naive or just not telling him true. He has right here!
    Yanek has reasonable reasons to starts wonder about Diesel honest. It's not DELUSION or IRATIONALY, so he is not paranoid. Even, when i give you deffinition and basics to reasons, why Yanek can stop trust Diesel now, you will still saying about him lile paranoid cause you want see him like this. It's not objective.

    If Diesel said Yanek that are moles in house, and police talking about his huge transaction, then Ein secret woudn't be realised. He would save also Yanek in this way, but he stay being passive and just looking how Yanek future is destroing by police. If he cares so much about Ein that he could say him, that Yaneks knows about him or suspects him and he should run. He could in this same time told Yanek about risk and saved him in that way. He just not choose this way.
    If Diesel not saying Yanek about danger, then he almost for sure ends in prison on 30 or more years. He has oportunity to protect them both, but he doesn't do that. Yanek deserves this much from him, but Diesel is calculated with not saying him about danger and still living with him as his lover. Thanks that he has home and safety.

    Also i never said, that you say that Yanek deserved to die (lol). You also saying too lightly about prison. You think, that Diesel not have to say about police to Yanek what probably end with prision and he's doing right. In this same time, you don't say that Diesel, who killed many people, also should go to prison. Ein protects him from this and covers his murders, yet it's ok when Diesel not doing this same for Yanek. Towards Diesel, Yanek crimes and protection them from jail by their lovers you have double standards. That's depending of who you like or not.

    For you good reasons to not liking Diesel are bulshit, for me and others people your reason are like that. You don't even care what paranoid means and reaped this again and again, even when definition saying something else. You just don't want to be objective here, cause you don't like Yanek and love Diesel.

    People have rights to think about Diesel like calculeted, dishonest person and you shoudn't tell him to not doing this. They have own, for me good reasons to do this.
    The best is ending his discusion, it's pointless writing this same again and again.

Yojam January 16, 2019 2:31 am

Weird, but I laughed for the entire time and they are perfect for each other

Yojam January 16, 2019 12:48 am

The author can draw hugs very well. They really feel warm and cozy ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

    Black&White January 16, 2019 12:52 am

    I agree. So cute (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

Yojam January 13, 2019 3:46 am

That kissing scene was so cute!!!

Yojam January 9, 2019 8:29 am

That fricking heart ruined the importance of the conversation!!

Yojam January 1, 2019 10:56 am

What if Yanek is still alive???
Something like Ein and Yanek himself staged his fake death because Yanek didn't want to live like a criminal anymore. If that's true we don't have to argue who is bad between Ein and Yanek....

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