
Villainess stories with no magic? Other than the isekai aspect if there is one of course
Idk why but everytime magic gets involved i get uninterested bc its like now i have to learn the magic system and all these dumb names and the system is half baked bc magic is just supposed go be a plot device and not actually integrated in the world building, so i want more villainess stories without magic at all

There are isekai classics like:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_reason_why_raeliana_ended_up_at_the_duke_s_mansion/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/is_it_a_fortune_or_is_it_a_woe/
It's hard to find something completely without magic, but:
As mentioned above I can also recommend this one. It has magic, but the MC's mana sucks, so she dabbles just in the theories, which is basically just some math and it's not explained in depth.
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/isn_t_being_a_wicked_woman_much_better/
Souls switch. A magician works for MC, but there's no other magic except for him. This one's a true villainess story, not just a poor kind soul trapped in a villainess body. She can and she will screw over anyone that pisses her off. And smut, a bit at the beginning and then later in the story ^^
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/concentration_of_malice_r19_version/
The OG FL is a magician, but the MC isn't, so there are some basics of mana and energies and stuff, but not that much. Highly recommended, very fun to read.
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/beware_of_the_villainess/

oh, there's also this one:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kill_the_villainess/
has a witch, that helps the MC understand what happened to her soul and how to go back, so the witch uses magic, but MC is magicless

I saw a tweet where it was like romantic subplots hit better than a romance story and i kinda agree
Is there anything where the yaoi is more of a subplot? Like theres romance but its not the main focus of the story. And not it all happens in the end but its like a legit subplot throughout the story

I definitely recommend this one i wang more people to read it -
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/aesthetics_of_unpleasantness/

So haruhi fujioka from ouran is the best shojo protag ever even though ouran is like a parody of shojo itself and its tropes she still is the best (argue with a wall) and i wanna know if theres other manga/manhwa with mcs similar to her, that take no shit but still kind and interesting, just tired of the spineless heroines or the boss bitch cold hearted too much trauma villainess that seem to be the only thing shojo has rn

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/mizutama_honey_boy/
HAVE U READ THIS ? strong girl and malewifeee

I think you would like this one:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/dengeki_daisy/

Looking for ukes who are just total losers with semes that look cool and popular but are in fact, also secretly losers
Also down to just have two losers in love

they both are losers for me but cute losers lol
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_best_luck_of_my_life/
I read indomitable champion and it was, for the lack of a better word, just torture porn and a r*pe fantasy. I kept reading hoping for one scene that wasn't non-con but it never came, and i rlly only kept on bc the mc was
So now i need old man yaoi, like nasty but consensual and cute in between, and not like a younger x older like im talking middle aged men
Thanks imma make a hate comment
Oh umm read https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/midnight_rain_ctk/
girl u did a complete 180 i remember u defending the people who read/enjoy rape in fiction a week or two ago LMAO
dude indomitable champion scarred me