outside of the emergence theme.....
This is very much a ts theme.
It paints my dream of love realistically
Its obstacles, but they overcome them.
I read this story so many times. I loveeeeeeee it
it makes no sense
No human is gonna get raped and then say....hey... im in love rape is the worse thing you could do to someone outside of out right butchering them
But in these dumb a** stories written by pervs, it's logical to be raped and not be destroyed, or broken, or a life time of pain following.
Oh no. In yaoi...rape means love
But if this was a guy and a girl....it would be so much controversy.
No, gay guys don't get raped and fall in love. Stupidity
If you dont like it then you should just go we all been knew how fucked up yoai/bl can be and honestly who cares anymore? As long as you’re mature enough to not do what has been done in the story to real people then youre good. And don’t put me into that bullshit about kids reading this, this book wasn’t made for them anyways. it’s their own fault and decision if they fuck their own lives up later on when they decided to read this story, and they can pay for their own decisions by going to jail or sumn
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It still places rape as something that should come with being gay. That rhetoric is toxic. Whether in adult culture or not.
Its a stereotype that needs to die
and I said I was. Its like you rewrote what I just wrote lol. I will, from now, go to other stories.
So this comment is redundant
no one said “stories” have to be realistic. they can just exist for the idea, its called art yknow?????? also “if this was a guy and a girl it would be so much conroversy” yeah sure because teenage tv shows on netflix dont have a ton of them.. sure. also not everyone is the same, how do you know one person cant fall in love with their rapist? if such things didnt occur there wouldnt be things called “stockholm syndrome” etc. and it exists irl
Literally no one said that rape comes with gays naturally. Like, I really don't know from where you got that
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I was speaking my own OPINION. Its not really debatable lol
It's an opinion, so it's literally debateable
One im not changing (▰˘◡˘▰)
its kinda too fast. I love the art but the dialog could be more. They saying sangwoo 2 in the comments. But this story doesn't have the deep exposition/ deep character analysis like killing/stalking.
Its interesting but, im not really connecting with the story line or maybe its the flow of the story that is bothering me. Its all art and rushed dialog
I hate stories that use violence with no exposition. The difference between this and killing/stalking is:
We knew both main characters where mentally ill from the beginning. We understood going in, that, whatever love they were going to have was gonna be dark and fuckinh twisted.
And it gave us back story.
With this story....the main top is never really fully flushed out why he acts like that.
And the bottom comes across as weak and having no real sense of self. It's annoying me. This circular dark story.
If its gonna be all about rape. Make it make fu*king sense.
Im over it at this point. Dropping. Im tired of these raped stories men love for gay men
As a ts woman with gay friends and who was once gay, no....that is not how our relationships work
And if a man did that to me, I would kill or maim him. Stop painting rape as some badge. Or something sexy.
These stories used to be so fun for me, but now, im just like damn, all these stories do is trigger me badly
I was raped once at 21 when I was a year into transistion. It was painful. There was blood and it was messy and he brutalized me. Fracture my hand, broke a blood vessel in my left eye, making me look like an extra on the walking dead.
Anal rape is not fun. For anal to be enjoyable, like a cis woman, the body has to be ready and relaxed, allowing the person in.
I definitely did not cum all over myself. I sat there destroyed. It destroyed me until I have not truly dated since then because it was done by a guy I was dating, after he got me drunk and I told him no, the first time I said no and he decided he was not feeling my answer and was gonna take it anyways.
That kind of betrayal of your own autonomy, especially by a guy you liked and trusted, follows you for the rest of your life.
Gay and trans characters deserve real stories that reflect reality and not perverts dream fantasies of us.
Im all for dark stories...if they make sense and are cohesive. But this story is turning into a raped just to be raped story. And its honestly disgusting to me
why is it okay for men to be raped?
Its disgusting. The art is beautiful but eh. Im tired of rape being seen as a path to romance. If he raped him and the guy killed him or he was imprisoned fine.
But the falling in love from rape trope erk my soul
someone finally said it like i mean the charac development is good and all and plot yea pretty meh but damn, the rape? it doesnt just click yknow? like damn wtf?
Same
I just feel like with so much creative freedom
...fiction can bring....
Why not do something that's edgy but doesn't break consent?
Or if it does break consent....make it realistic.
Him hating him......
Therapy.... prison....some kind of reform center.
But the ways story like these go are: if a rapists acts kind after, all is forgiven.
fr fr like if we’re going to make this realistic, the crime that the seme commit wouldnt be that easily forgiven. and they would prolly curse him to death.
I loved this story as a trans woman. It was done with finesse and knowledge. However. Just because she is a woman....I dont feel like they had to make her character so.....
Bland and predictable.
Why does she have to be this "ideal" image and personality of what MEN FIND attractive. Why couldn't she be a little more gritty. I find this problem in a lot of straight Manga.
Women...trans or cis, are simplified to cooking, being nice, not even fighting back when almost raped....they have no interests outside of girly shit.
Being transgender is unique and hella hard. Trans women have more spirit and witt, sass because of that.
I just don't see a trans woman...realistically being as naive as her in certain situations.
Im here for the positive representation. Im.not here for the one dimensional trans character.
She was so sweet to the point....it reads like a fairytale. Give her some anger. Give her some fight. Most trans women alive right now or not being a hermit, is because we fought to be here...live and in color
I agree I feel she needs spunk, I think her friend whose also trans has that kinda spunk and I really appreciated that. It was still pretty good though
Yes I give it an 8 out of ten. Her friend really was a representation of most trans women. Sweet but no nonsense. Most of trans friends anyway and me
I agree with you but I still think it’s important to remember that everyone’s different. Everyone has their own personality and experiences regardless of their identity. I get what you mean with this manga (whether done consciously or not) being catered to cis (maybe het too) people where the girl is this perfect naive, cute, girl who isn’t “too trans” like with her having the perfect cis-like body and all of the surgeries done without actually showing what the experience was like but I still think there are for sure some girls out there who have the same kind of personality and needs as her. Whether trans or cis. I still think it’s a cute manga. Sure it doesn’t have the best representation out there but I don’t think the author meant for it to be that in the first place. I think they just wanted to make a cute smutty story that just happened to have a trans character as the lead!
J Is not androgynous. Her character is despeciable at times because she hates herself. She is slutty because she finds no worth in a body that doesn't fit HER. She is slutty because her father taught her, that was love. As a trans woman groomed as a child, this story hit to raw. This isn't like most mangas.
The story is told through context. Through the brilliantly constructed nuances
She fights with the idea of her transness and her fathers molestation juxtaposed. Her femininity that she plays with, she also feels dooms her. So she weaponized her looks and sexually appeal, getting what she wants, while feeling utterly lonely and unfulfilled
It's easy to write this off as a yaoi with a feminine male character, but it's not to me.
This is a darker transgender coming to womanhood story.
This story touched me in a way no other story touched me.
Its raw...gritty...real.
Honest in the confusion and torment, gender identity and learning it can bring.
We see her transistion from young gay androgynous guy to a cross dresser to a woman at the end, sitting next to her mom.
A woman and free from the trauma and shame that followed her. The trauma which stopped her from freeing herself. The lover who she loved but even then tried to kill herself.
Because she wasn't that young gay boy. She was a woman. She always was a woman. It's what pushed her to such drastic ways of self harm. It's why she tries to kill herself, even when the men she always loved brought her home.
This story...if you have a strong stomach is one of those most poignant trans stories I ever read .
This is a coming of age story of a trans woman chaser by the trauma of sexual assault/incest and ultimately free from it
Like any work of art, this story can take on multiple meanings, which I think is purposeful. Because we see the transition of J....it can be a presentation of a man binary person, a gay feminine male or a trans woman.
I think the end was kind blunted. The author could have elongated the end to give more meaning
But to me, her sitting in a dress is day time, not for work or play...tells me she accepted that she wanted womanhood
He isn’t transgender
yes she is
Yeah he is
ok now you're just obviously being transphobic
Transphobic to a character that is clearly stated as he idc
they call her she and he. If we put the time period in. Transsexuals were called men then.
Even her child referring to J as a second mom. Ever manga is not gonna be loud with what they trying to say. Which I like. This story requires deeper comprehension based on the story. The nuances and the time period. If ya opinion that J is a guy. Thats your opinion. Im still gonna see it as a trans like story...even if J never goes through physical transistion. Since being transgender is not action but a state of being.
Dumbass she's literally says she's a women, stop denying your transphobia. You clearly misunderstood the story
Hes a boy
why are u reading a story about a trans woman while being transphobic , she's a women. The original japanese version didn't even use male pronouns, it's not a yaoi cry about it.
You’re telling me to cry about it yet replying to a 4 month post please cope
cope with the fact that j is a woman
cope with the fact that you get no bitches cuz ur stinky you transphobe
Hes a guy clearly stay mad
And you're a dumbass dipshit clearly stay mad
Cry more loser over a male fictional character
I'm starting to think that you just can't handle the fact that you've read a manga that wasn't yaoi/bl
and youre still replying to me why
because I can
What a fucking loser lol
He’s a guy
lmao ur literally a transphobic fujoshi ik ur not speaking. Stick to reading gay porn pls
You cannot seriously act as if you have a moral high ground when we’re both on the same website lmao again what a fucking loser
You probably support tbiym
boo hoo idc
end of the day you’re still replying and J is a guy lol
At the end of the day ur still responding and you're transphobic
And also a tbiym supporter
Boo hoo idc
and youre still replying to me why
do u like pudding
is not androgynous. Her character is despeciable at times because she hates herself. She is slutty because she finds no worth in a body that doesn't fit him. This isn't like most mangas.
The story is told through context.
She fights with the idea of her transness and her fathers molestation juxtaposed.
It's easy to write this off as a yaoi with a feminine male character and it's not.
This is a darker transgender coming to womanhood story.
This story touched me in a way no other story touched me.
Its raw...gritty...real.
We see her transistion from young gay androgynous guy to a cross dresser to a woman at the end, sitting next to her mom.
A woman and free from the trauma and shame that followed her. The trauma which stopped her from freeing herself. The lover who she loved but even then tried to kill herself.
Because she wasn't that young gay boy. She was a woman.
This story...if you have a strong stomach is one of those most poignant trans stories I ever read .
This is a coming of age story of a trans woman chaser by the trauma of sexual assault/incest
that I wish they would have drew the Maasi way more ethnic.
Maybe more kinky kinda hair
More round noses, even if they are straight.
I felt like if you didn't put Maasi i would have never guessed that looking solely at the images.
Their hair looks straight, not kinky, coily and dredded.
That's my only issue, as a ts woman of color
9 out 10 from me.
I think the author chose a non-nomadic or semi-nomadic part of the Maasai tribe. That's why they're way more modernized instead of staying within "the ethnic" part of ur opinion. And their hair actually differs. It can be dreaded, cornrows, ochred braid, shaved, or etc it depends what part of kenya or tanzania they chose. But sometimes because they're being forced/giving in to the government in modernization they're breaking taboos little by little. But I think the author just chose they're way of drawing based on they're art style.
they still don't have straight hair, whether they breaking tradition of not. Lol