Jaekyung pays Kim Dan if he's willing to sell his body for money and he agreed so... no, it's not rape. It has consent from both party but doesn't mean Kim Dan enjoying it so that's why people sees it as rape.
Jaekyung pays Kim Dan if he's willing to sell his body for money and he agreed so... no, it's not rape. It has consent from both party but doesn't mean Kim Dan enjoying it so that's why people sees it as rape. Mayura
It’s not just that he’s not enjoying it (though that is part of it), people consent to sex that ends up being not enjoyable all the time—see the orgasm gap between men and women. It’s that he actively expresses non-consent AKA “no, stop, wait” etc throughout his and Jaekyung’s interactions.
Jaekyung pays Kim Dan if he's willing to sell his body for money and he agreed so... no, it's not rape. It has consent from both party but doesn't mean Kim Dan enjoying it so that's why people sees it as rape. Mayura
You're justtifying rape.He feels like he is forced to have sex wth Jaekyung so it's rape. He doesn't always like it or want to do it
It’s not just that he’s not enjoying it (though that is part of it), people consent to sex that ends up being not enjoyable all the time—see the orgasm gap between men and women. It’s that he actively e... Akaito
Enjoyable or not is not the question and has nothing to do with consent/non consent. The "no, stop, wait" is a classic quote from ukes, be it toxic seme or lovable seme
Enjoyable or not is not the question and has nothing to do with consent/non consent. The "no, stop, wait" is a classic quote from ukes, be it toxic seme or lovable seme Shiki
i literally said in the message you responded to that it’s not JUST that he doesn’t enjoy it, it’s both that he doesn’t enjoy it AND he doesn’t want it. the reason why i still factor enjoyment in is because there’s obviously a range of non-enjoyment of sex/a range of reasons why someone might not enjoy sex. your partner doing something that just isn’t sexually stimulating to you, for example, is very different from your partner actively hurting you (without your consent).
anyway yeah i’m not dumb and unfamiliar with yaoi like you try to claim i and many others are, i know that “no” often means “yes” in yaoi. it’s the same in a lot of media. i have complex thoughts about it but either way i think it’s worth considering the context of what’s going on around the objections. first of all there are such things like rape fantasies. but they’re still called RAPE fantasies, so some kind of rape is happening, real or imagined (in the context of the story, not real life, before you say some “you think this is real” shit). so if you’re acknowledging there’s elements of basic nonconsent here then you have to at say that there’s at least a nonconsensual fantasy happening here. secondly, rape/ravishment fantasies often involve the person being raped/ravished enjoying it in some way? not just physically but also emotionally? i don’t really see that happening…ever. at least not so far. but then i’m also like, idk what is fantastical or appealing about jaekyung treating dan like he’s a worthless piece of shit under his shoes even outside of their sex so like
i literally said in the message you responded to that it’s not JUST that he doesn’t enjoy it, it’s both that he doesn’t enjoy it AND he doesn’t want it. the reason why i still factor enjoyment in is b... Akaito
i literally said in the message you responded to that it’s not JUST that he doesn’t enjoy it, it’s both that he doesn’t enjoy it AND he doesn’t want it. the reason why i still factor enjoyment in is b... Akaito
Not reading. We don't care it's fiction. Now shut up ^-^
Not reading. We don't care it's fiction. Now shut up ^-^ Shiki
“just explain the evidence” >explains the evidence several times, thoroughly “that’s not real evidence” >discusses why the evidence is evidence/what the evidence means, acknowledging and exploring the nuance added by a common fictional trope and how it actually maps out onto the webtoon in question “not reading, it’s just fiction”
okay buddy well. some of us like to actually engage with and think about what we’re reading.
I guess you actually mean : ppl who can't dissociate fiction and reality and feel assaulted by imagination's of an author put into paper are children. Shiki
are you mad because i called you out? i know its fiction discusting fiction its not even deep or psychological just gross
are you mad because i called you out?i know its fictiondiscusting fictionits not even deep or psychological just gross stinkysocks
"Mad" did I sound angry? :// I found inconsistency in your comment so I corrected it, that's all ;)) yw. I suggest you let the author finish her work to judge, you don't enter a half-painted room and say "it's horrible" lmao
“just explain the evidence”>explains the evidence several times, thoroughly“that’s not real evidence”>discusses why the evidence is evidence/what the evidence means, acknowledging and exploring ... Akaito
"Mad" did I sound angry? :// I found inconsistency in your comment so I corrected it, that's all ;)) yw. I suggest you let the author finish her work to judge, you don't enter a half-painted room and say "it's ... Shiki
HELPPP did you READ the first like 50 chapters? its garbage it honestly should be a crime to write such discusting abusive things there is NO WAY anyone is forgiving the male lead for what he has done no matter how many chapters are gonna pass
HELPPPdid you READ the first like 50 chapters?its garbage it honestly should be a crime to write such discusting abusive thingsthere is NO WAY anyone is forgiving the male lead for what he has done no matter ho... stinkysocks
Bruh shut up, shocked in only 50 chapters? I've read worse than this and still LOVED the semes, JJK is a baby compared to them lol not only is there nothing to forgive but I also love the character, appreciate it or get tf out of here ^^ good luck on trying to stop ppl from writing fiction lmao
"Mad" did I sound angry? :// I found inconsistency in your comment so I corrected it, that's all ;)) yw. I suggest you let the author finish her work to judge, you don't enter a half-painted room and say "it's ... Shiki
there is so much wrong with how you view this situation i wont even get into it i assume you are in between 14-16 and dont worry you and your brain will soon fully develop and you will understand
there is so much wrong with how you view this situation i wont even get into iti assume you are in between 14-16 and dont worry you and your brain will soon fully develop and you will understand stinkysocks
Boring, change disc, is that all you can think of to insult ppl ? more imagination please.
"Mad" did I sound angry? :// I found inconsistency in your comment so I corrected it, that's all ;)) yw. I suggest you let the author finish her work to judge, you don't enter a half-painted room and say "it's ... Shiki
Based on legal definitions, both in the USA and Korea, the events described in this story do not constitute rape but rather sexual assault and violence. People’s judgments often stem from personal experiences and emotions, rather than an objective understanding of the law. Many of those labeling it as rape are simply detractors, while many others seem focused on the surface rather than truly grasping the context.
Jaekyung pays Kim Dan if he's willing to sell his body for money and he agreed so... no, it's not rape. It has consent from both party but doesn't mean Kim Dan enjoying it so that's why people sees it as rape. Mayura
While you are correct, but consent is reversible. In this case, Dan both gives and withdraws consent multiple times.
To further what you said.
His lack of enjoyment doesn’t make it rape, nor is it close to rape. People seem to overlook the fact that Dan was a virgin the first time and naturally afraid of sex.
During that encounter, he even stopped himself from becoming fully aroused. As a sexual assault survivor, his reactions are shaped by complex psychological factors, which many people don’t seem to fully understand. They use this for their opinion (of it is rape) as it supports them but it really doesn’t. It shows it is more complex than their opinion. There are some that thinks attempted rape is rape but it is just sexual assault not rape.
that really is some braindead behaviour, no offence but y’all are the only two users constantly trying to defend jinx. 3/10 ragebait, was funny at first but it got old. buckle up
that really is some braindead behaviour, no offence but y’all are the only two users constantly trying to defend jinx. 3/10 ragebait, was funny at first but it got old. buckle up ballsjiggler
does this have rape :)?
yes
no
Yes
Jaekyung pays Kim Dan if he's willing to sell his body for money and he agreed so... no, it's not rape. It has consent from both party but doesn't mean Kim Dan enjoying it so that's why people sees it as rape.
It’s not just that he’s not enjoying it (though that is part of it), people consent to sex that ends up being not enjoyable all the time—see the orgasm gap between men and women. It’s that he actively expresses non-consent AKA “no, stop, wait” etc throughout his and Jaekyung’s interactions.
No
Nope
You're justtifying rape.He feels like he is forced to have sex wth Jaekyung so it's rape. He doesn't always like it or want to do it
Enjoyable or not is not the question and has nothing to do with consent/non consent.
The "no, stop, wait" is a classic quote from ukes, be it toxic seme or lovable seme
"You're justifying blablabla" dude... just.... can you enjoy the manhua and stop asking stupid questions and explain the evidence we don't care
Obviously you do
“just explain the evidence”
>explains the evidence several times, thoroughly
“that’s not real evidence”
i literally said in the message you responded to that it’s not JUST that he doesn’t enjoy it, it’s both that he doesn’t enjoy it AND he doesn’t want it. the reason why i still factor enjoyment in is because there’s obviously a range of non-enjoyment of sex/a range of reasons why someone might not enjoy sex. your partner doing something that just isn’t sexually stimulating to you, for example, is very different from your partner actively hurting you (without your consent).
anyway yeah i’m not dumb and unfamiliar with yaoi like you try to claim i and many others are, i know that “no” often means “yes” in yaoi. it’s the same in a lot of media. i have complex thoughts about it but either way i think it’s worth considering the context of what’s going on around the objections. first of all there are such things like rape fantasies. but they’re still called RAPE fantasies, so some kind of rape is happening, real or imagined (in the context of the story, not real life, before you say some “you think this is real” shit). so if you’re acknowledging there’s elements of basic nonconsent here then you have to at say that there’s at least a nonconsensual fantasy happening here. secondly, rape/ravishment fantasies often involve the person being raped/ravished enjoying it in some way? not just physically but also emotionally? i don’t really see that happening…ever. at least not so far. but then i’m also like, idk what is fantastical or appealing about jaekyung treating dan like he’s a worthless piece of shit under his shoes even outside of their sex so like
Not reading. We don't care it's fiction. Now shut up ^-^
all of the people reading this and actually enjoying it are children, girl is probably 14
I guess you actually mean : ppl who can't dissociate fiction and reality and feel assaulted by imagination's of an author put into paper are children.
“just explain the evidence”
>explains the evidence several times, thoroughly
“that’s not real evidence”
>discusses why the evidence is evidence/what the evidence means, acknowledging and exploring the nuance added by a common fictional trope and how it actually maps out onto the webtoon in question
“not reading, it’s just fiction”
okay buddy well. some of us like to actually engage with and think about what we’re reading.
are you mad because i called you out?
i know its fiction
discusting fiction
its not even deep or psychological just gross
"Mad" did I sound angry? :// I found inconsistency in your comment so I corrected it, that's all ;)) yw. I suggest you let the author finish her work to judge, you don't enter a half-painted room and say "it's horrible" lmao
HELPPP
did you READ the first like 50 chapters?
its garbage
it honestly should be a crime to write such discusting abusive things
there is NO WAY anyone is forgiving the male lead for what he has done no matter how many chapters are gonna pass
Bruh shut up, shocked in only 50 chapters? I've read worse than this and still LOVED the semes, JJK is a baby compared to them lol not only is there nothing to forgive but I also love the character, appreciate it or get tf out of here ^^ good luck on trying to stop ppl from writing fiction lmao
there is so much wrong with how you view this situation i wont even get into it
i assume you are in between 14-16 and dont worry you and your brain will soon fully develop and you will understand
Nah. just the ones getting butthurt and come after you when you say you don't like characters or story. I like only one character. AND ITS NOT POTATO
Boring, change disc, is that all you can think of to insult ppl ? more imagination please.
yeah
https://youtu.be/VUj7l68y7eM?feature=shared
I LOVE THIS VIDEO SM
It is just trash from a hater. It is biased.
Based on legal definitions, both in the USA and Korea, the events described in this story do not constitute rape but rather sexual assault and violence. People’s judgments often stem from personal experiences and emotions, rather than an objective understanding of the law. Many of those labeling it as rape are simply detractors, while many others seem focused on the surface rather than truly grasping the context.
While you are correct, but consent is reversible.
In this case, Dan both gives and withdraws consent multiple times.
To further what you said.
His lack of enjoyment doesn’t make it rape, nor is it close to rape. People seem to overlook the fact that Dan was a virgin the first time and naturally afraid of sex.
During that encounter, he even stopped himself from becoming fully aroused. As a sexual assault survivor, his reactions are shaped by complex psychological factors, which many people don’t seem to fully understand. They use this for their opinion (of it is rape) as it supports them but it really doesn’t. It shows it is more complex than their opinion. There are some that thinks attempted rape is rape but it is just sexual assault not rape.
Look what the cat dragged in.
a 30 minutes essay for uni, filled with lots of arguments and proof…. sure, just trash!
Ye I confirm, trash
that really is some braindead behaviour, no offence but y’all are the only two users constantly trying to defend jinx. 3/10 ragebait, was funny at first but it got old. buckle up
Ok but still trash