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OMG I just finished reading chapter 22 and I take it back her father just doesn't know how to communicate with her but I still don't understand why he executed her in the past lifetime... I NEED AN EXPLANATION!!

Right, this whole thing was a MESS and a god damn TRAIN WRECK. I don't understand where the author even wanted to go with this.

Um... No. Ed taunted him yes, but had no intention of doing it. Further more he begged and pleaded for Chang to not go further. He tried to run away and he was over powerd, all while pleading for Chang to stop. Chang here no gucking pass.

Chang gets no pass.

I know I never said what Chang did is okay neither am I saying that he should have kept going but the comments that people are leaving are just way to much.

I know I never said what Chang did is okay neither am I saying that he should have kept going but the comments that people are leaving are just way too much. Also, none of this would have happened if ed hadn't acting that way.

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they're legitimately ignoring that Ed assaulted Chang and Chang said no. Grabbing someone's dick is assault. Once someone is assaulted they don't necessarily react in logical ways, we know this because we do not victim blame for THIS reason. KJshfajsa

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Is a little provocation a reason for harassment, abuse and rape? ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~ hm?

Finally someone with common sense.

It wasn't plain provocation he literally told chang "But I'm also damn good at fucking. I can screw you too, if you're curious." he then continues to taunt him and proceeds to unbuckle chang's belt even after chang says no. He even tells chan to "Bend Over," and asks him if he's turned on.!!! CHANG TELLS ED TO STOP BUT HE KEPT GOING!!!
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I'm not saying what Ed did was right...it was skirting on the edges of assault.
BUT! U are forgetting the most important fact CHANG BOUGHT ED FOR THE NIGHT!!!!!
So, I can say that as a job, Ed wasn't totally off- like he was paid for to have s*x so initiating it might not be completely wrong, definitely not right either. It was uncomfortable touching.
But, Chang used physical force to subdue Ed and r*ped him. I don't blame Chang 100%, but 85% is Chang's fault.
Both the parties aren't completely innocent. But just cause someone is selling themselves doesn't mean u can force them. Consent is important!

Um NO!
I'd say it's 50/50
Remember that none of that would've have happen, if Ed just wasn't being stupid.

I completely agree!!

I would have also gone for 50-50. But the only reason I blame Chang slightly more is because he also physically assaulted Ed!
And yeah...Ed was a bit stupid, but we need to remember the fact that he was a man, a bodyguard. He probably didn't imagine ever getting raped! It's stupid ego, but some guys have that.
In general, touching someone inappropriately and beating them up to manhandle them is essentially different. In the first case, u can physically retaliate against the offender, but in the second, u are practically helpless.
BOTH of them are wrong nonetheless.

Ed assaults Chang first, bites Chang first, punches Chang first and then is surprised that Chang is stronger than him. This situation could not have gone any differently because Ed was escalating it - first sexually and then physically. Yes Chang manhandles him, but Ed throws the first punch when Chang hugs him and says it's not a joke and that he wants to hold Ed too.

It's 50/50. Why are we deciding how someone felt about getting their dick grabbed and whether it was disconcerting enough or not?

Also the context of this is sexual, but Ed asked Chang if he was really planning to do it and Chang changed the subject to work -- he wasn't planning on doing it.

Sorry to seem insensitive but It’s not like that Ed wasn’t expecting what was going to happen either he is working as an escort and Chang bought him for the night.

It's not 50/50. There are multiple meanings for assault. What Ed did was the "threat or attempt to inflict unwanted physical contact on a person". Chang did the first part of the definition of assault which is "inflicting physical harm unto a person" Ed was stupid. He provoked Chang. Chang barely tried to De-escalate briefly but was like fuck it. The main reason that Chang get 100% of the blame is that he purposefully bought Ed. Ed is not aware of who his clients are beforehand. If Ed was aware, I'm positive he would have turned down that job. It's insinuated in the story that Chang has some feelings for Ed that he suppresses and him being mean to Ed is the reflection of that. Ed sees Chang as the step brother/friend who betrayed him. I believe Chang used the debt to keep that boundary active so he doesn't touch him. However, buying him changes everything. That's why Ed was confused. He taunted a man who, in his mind, always annoyed and played tricks on him. A man who hates homosexuality. A man who is the closest thing he has to a family. Ed was stupid, naive, and cluessless. But he has ALWAYS been stupid, naive and clueless when dealing with Chang. Chang knows this. He know he can always make Ed bend to his will. Ed even admitted that he would kneel and kowtow if it will make Chang stop. Chang knew what he was gonna do from the jump, he had no intentions of not having sex with Ed, he wanted it to be consensual, which is why he bought him to begin with. If he wanted to "talk about work" he could've did that at his office. Chang is a predatory asshole.

Please see chapter 52 where Ed tells Chang to buy him.

Everyone is pretending Ed has no understanding of what is going on between him and Chang but he does know. He acts as an unreliable narrator frequently, anyway looking forward to chapter 54 translations. I dont think it changes the situation but I think it invalidates some of the arguments people have been making

And please stop, you are arguing that grabbing someone's dick is a threat of unwanted sexual contact and not actual unwanted sexual contact.

No one is pretending anything. Chang only shows his mean and bullying side to Ed. So Ed has only experienced Chang trolling and giving him threats regarding his debt. It was change who kept emphasizing that benevolent push the deadline back further and suggested that Ed either sells his body or his organs. When he isn't being a threatening jerk, he is trolling Ed. Just like in the chapter where Ed was trying to meet up with McQueen. Ed mentioned this is one of the tactics Chang used to get under his skin and control him. Chang has been in control of Ed since Ed was young. With his every interaction with Chang, Ed can't defy him. Why is that? We the readers can see Chang struggling but Ed can't. But Chang can read Ed like a book, just like McQueen and Eds co workers could. Ed is written as a naive man who still has innocence despite his situation and was to acknowledged and loved.

Since you want to play that angle, at the very beginning she. Ed came to his door and saw it was Chang, he IMMEDIATELY turned to walk away and Chang stopped him by threatening to call the police in his boss. So who really provoked who first. That's extortion.

That's also in chapter 52.

It is a form of sexual assault true. BUT, as I will repeat groping someone and raping someone are different degrees of sexual assaults.
Don't we have first, second, third degree murders? Shouldn't there be an argument that murder is nonetheless murder? But it doesn't work that way.
I'm not saying Ed is stupid, he was maybe fully aware of his provocations. But what I'm talking about is-
Chang had the power to push away Ed, if wanted to. Ed didn't.
It's like, we are saying: a girl gropes a guy, so the guy can rape her. But the fault is 50/50.
It's not. I'm not saying Ed is blameless. It's just that what Chang did was more awful.

That's what I'd like to state again. Just cause someone is selling themselves, doesn't mean one can rape them.

You've literally been 'assaulted' before and out here victim blaming?

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