honeycrisp

I know he's a crazy masochist but...isn't it a bit extreme?
In the beginning I wondered if he simply was too insecure to use the safeword, but now I realize he's never going to use the safeword because it frankly isn't intense enough for him; and the ML is kind of more on the normal side.

This story seems to more closely follow what true BDSM is (although obviously with some creative license). While it is the doms job to satusfy the subs desires, it is also their job to keep the sub safe, even against their own desires safewords are there for both parties partially for that reason. For the sub to stop things when they feel uncomfortable or are feeling in danger of really really getting hurt. But for the dom for the same reason, although for when they feel that the sub is taking things to far or refuses to see that they are in serious danger of really getting hurt. That little shit has no clue that his dom has been doing his best to keep him safe. Id have dropped his ass a while ago

People incorporate sharps and weapons into fear play and kink all the time

No. MC is self destructive, rude, and doesn’t even know his own limits. The line between play and assault is so thin. Even if MC is asking for it, one small mistake/ slip up and ML will be faced with a police case. Doms/sadists have their own limits too. Their consent matters too. Not to mention, doms have a responsibility to ensure all play is sane, safe, and consensual. Plus, ML already keeps his preferences in mind, and accommodates MC even at his own expenses and while having to set his work aside.

Thisss. Same. Being reckless and self-destructive but still being respectful and can be reasoned with is one thing… but I don’t deal with narcissistic self destructive brats with no respect for their partners. Been there, done that in my college years, and had to call it off pretty early on. Besides, the more you give them, the more they want. Play should never lead to permanent uncontrolled damage.

yeah but the sub is not a sub lol. he’s just a heavy masochist. if he’s not uncomfortable or the pain doesn’t bother him, then why keep holding off ? BDSM has safe words for a good reason, the author just decided to throw that part away entirely. slapping around and choking is BDSM yeah, but even as someone who’s not into this kind of stuff, i still know that BDSM can still go beyond that.. and that’s why he’s asking for repeatedly

the author keeps implying that the ML has a stronger, more sadistic side that’s a bit too dangerous to let out the cage, (especially when we first meet him) but throughout the story, we just come to find out he’s a normal dude and the extent of his BDSM is only just slapping and choking here and there. the MC is into heavy BDSM, so no i don’t see it as that out of the ordinary, bc there’s a lot of ppl into heavy pain (full bloodied up and everything lol). he just wants a bit more than slapping which i can get from a non masochist standpoint.

i’m pretty sure it’s clear that the MC knows his own limits considering… he’s fine after every single time they do a session. if the author was trying to make us see that he’s struggling to see his limits, he would be shown struggling or complaining ab the pain—but he’s always fine with it. i’ve seen BDSM go pretty far, so in my eyes i haven’t even seen them do anything that insane or crazy. “Doms/sadists have their own limits too” except the fact that the author implied in the very beginning chapters that the ML has a strong, sadistic and possibly dangerous side to him, yet we never got to see that. i’m not into heavy BDSM or pain, but even i’m aware that what they’re doing is still considered pretty light stuff in the BDSM community lmaoooo

Yeah I think the MC has a shitty personality and really bad bdsm etiquette but it's clear he hasn't gone anywhere near his limits. Otherwise we would be seeing him drop. He wants what a lot of kinksters want and do: get beaten bloody, get choked out, feel afraid and in danger. This story hasn't even scratched the surface. At least piss on him or something lol

seee thats what I be sayingggg honestly all we've been shown is that he gets tied up, choked and slapped around. its clear that the author has done no research on heavy BDSM bc theres a million things they could introduce with this. some masochists prefer humiliation, some like degradation, and then others like edging, its so obvious that the MC's enjoyment is primarily coming from feeling pain. WHY introduce safe words if the ML is going to stop despite the MC not using his safe word?? that defeats the whole purpose ??? if the MC was at his breaking point he'd use it but the ML is making that decision FOR him LIKEE cmon

Nah, first off, safe words are a must regardless of extremity. You don’t put them in place to push the sub into using them, you establish them to use in case of emergencies/ for use when needed. As for the rest, yeah but yall r forgetting that doms are allowed to have their own boundaries and preferences too. They’re incompatible so they need to stop being so toxic and disrespectful to each other and just call it quits ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Actually, MC has been clearly shown to not know his own limits and keep endangering himself. But ur right that there r many creative and safe/responsible ways of satisfying pain sluts like MC, but then we’d wouldn’t have a plot. Either that or the author is too inexperienced to come up with those scenes.

As for MC? He has 0 regards for his own well-being and safety. The only reason he’s fine after sessions is because ML is deciding that limit for him. He’d happily fail his classes, destroy his future, and his long term physical health for a moment’s gratification. If left up to MC he prob wouldn’t be satisfied until he sustains very serious injuries. He seems like the type that would only be satisfied once you land him in a hospital let’s be real. He doesn’t think anything through. Chasing adrenaline is great, but you don’t go sky diving without a parachute. That’s basically what MC does. I’ve seen ppl like him destroy themselves in real time then come back crying. Luckily for the person Ik personally wasn’t left with any permanent damage. As a dom you are responsible for protecting both yourself and your partner, because like I said one mistake and you can be behind bars for years, even if the play was consensual and documented.

Both ML and MC just suck, And have no respect nor etiquette.

you literally just repeated what I said. "You dont put them inn place to push the sub into using them" thats not what the author is intending regardless. the safe word being "I love you" is a gigantic foreshadowing like come on. and like I mentioned in other replies, the author implied HEAVILY that this "Dom" aka ML had a darker, much dangerous side to him, but this wasn't shown whatsoever. its like the author completely abdononed the idea.. and I agree they are incompatible--the MC is clearly asking for more and isn't anywhere near his breaking point (clearly) and the ML is dictating when to stop which frustrates him.

yeah I get that but "deciding that limit" kind of makes no sense when it's supposed to be an impersonal relationship either way, which is an entirely new conversation that I dont even want to start. And between those people you mentioned and this MC, there's a contrasting difference between "im almost at my breaking point, but keep going" and "im nowhere near my breaking point, keep going".... and the latter is the MC. he's not near his limits, thats why he's frustrated. and thats why this story is so annoying and redundant and also been the main conflict for like 15 chpts now. if he we're close to his breaking point and kept wanting more, then yeah, deciding when to stop for him would make perfect sense. but lets be real, a hardcore masochist isn't going to be satisfied with some slapping and choking. my point is I just wish the author would decide what they want to do with the ML so we can move on from this conflict.

I get that as a Dom you have to be safe, but im being so fr rn as someone who's so vanilla that im still not seeing how any of what's happening currently in the story is that insane.... ive read so much worse with BL's that aren't even intended to showcase BDSM