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the story would've ended if it were that easy for ian to pack it up and leave with jo. the whole point of the story is literally ian STRUGGLING to leave

+bcs he's being tied down by tj/gang

and even if ian did leave with jo, in their current situation, it will be more difficult, ian is literally hunted down by various ppl who are involved in the gang he'll end up doing more harm to jo which he dont want. ian would've been happy if it was that easy to have a normal lifr and a new beginning, since thats literally what he have been wanting from the start.

TELL EM HELL YEAH

Where did I say that's not the case? And part as he's struggling he's getting Jo involved and he knows that. Both of them are adults, but one IS acquainted with gang life and one has absolutely no clue what it really means. Ian being irresponsible isn't negated just because he's been through shit

Just give it another read and you'll see the opportunities he has had to leave if he was that determined to do so. He chooses to stay despite what he says, not because he doesn't want to be happy, but due to his guilt and ties to his and TJs oast. People can be walking contradictions, especially those whose situations are as complicated as Ian's. And that's to be expected, but he still has to be held responsible for what he's doing to people who shouldn't be involved. The moment he let Jo closer than just a ons, he knowingly brought him into all of this. Some of you act as if Ian's an angel

when did i ever act as if ian is an angel bro, everyone know damn well that there's no angel in all three of the characters. i was just pointing out something that you said as if it were that easy for ian to make a decision to leave and be with jo. ian had opportunities but chose not to, because as i said HE IS STRUGGLING TO LEAVE BCS HE'S TIED DOWN BY TJ AND THE GANG. his attachment to tj adds to his guilt to leave. and i think he he shouldn't be held responsible for jo since jo was the one who chose to stay despite all the clear signs that following ian would make his life at risk. hope u get my point

"Also, if Ian rly cared for him, he would've packed up and left together with him already to have a fresh start somewhere safe for both" this is literally the only thing I'm pointing out from what u said. im just saying that making a decision like that ISN'T EASY bcs of his situation as he is being tied down by tj and the gang. he had opportunities to leave but the "struggle" that im talking abt is him being haunted down by ppl, his lingering attachment to tj that's keeping him from leaving, and the risks that comes along with it esp for jo. I'm just saying that making a decision like that isn't as easy as u implied it to be, cause if he could move on from his attachment from tj, he really would've taken those opportunities to leave

idk how to explain my idea exactly, but to make it even clearer, what i want to say is "if it was that easy for ian to move on from tj, then he wouldn't be struggling this bad to leave tj(without any guilt) and the violent life and start a new beginning" hope u get it, i wasn't trying to make this an argument ong

I'm not disagreeing with why he's struggling, but I do disagree with Ian not being responsible for what's happening. To a big degree, he's encouraging Jo to become involved in all of it when he knows perfectly well what it could lead to (a near repeat of TJ & Ian's past). Jo is an adult but he's been sheltered in comparison to the other two. With this last incident he can see the full implications of what he's signing up for, but he still holds a pathologically romanticized idea of it seeing that he's repeating to Ian "I'm willing to give up everything for you". Does that look like someone who's marure enough and not easily influenced, cause it looks like the opposite to me, the definition of codependency.
So imho, Ian is ultimately using Jo like I initially said. At first it was to feel normal and hold on to hope that he can live differently, but since he couldn't definitively take that step now it's to punish himself by repeating the past, only now he's involving one more person.
The story is very well written in this regard, bc it makes readers hope for Jo to stay and save Ian, but that means unnecessarily sacrificing his own life bc Ian couldn't commit to being saved and has already dragged Jo down to an even messier situation and made things even harder for either lf them to escape.

thank you for taking my intial point, i was trying so hard to explain things and not to come out rude. but i do understand your point as you list the reasons regarding to your statement abt the responsibility ian has for jo. and i agree! with alk of ur points, i do think that ian is partially responsible for jo. i almost always forget that jo grew up with a family so even if he's a grown man, he still could have a bit naivety and immaturity within him. jo is very much anxiously attached to ian, it must be why he's so desperate to save and give up everything for ian

thank u bruh im tired of these genuine middle schoolers who can’t tell reality from fiction. these are not real people, they are fictional characters in which the author can do whatever they want with them!!!

Personally, it’s fine to question the amount of heavy rape scenes and express how we feel about it. But I agree, this is all fictional, and it’s our own responsibility of what we consume. Author is free to express hers as we express our thoughts and perspective.

I never say: Author shouldn’t do this.
But I will definitely question it: Why this much?

It’s on me if I continue reading it. Get help if you have the extreme need to continue reading it while it’s triggering you and disturbing your focus, that isn’t really normal.

ALSO, I hope it won’t have much rape as there was in Pearl Boy here, that story was just nice but bittersweet tears. Please author! ✍ I’m rooting for Yuta and Seung.

I do agree with you but I also think fiction can affect reality at some level. Like, it can actually have an impact and influence your pov. I mean, it’s the whole purpose of art. Also, for exemple, people do believe that cat like milk, or bunnies eat only carrots and shark are super dangerous, it was all influenced by fiction when none of those things are actually very true. So yeah, fiction CAN impact reality. Even if you know how to do the difference between a story and the real world. When it comes to rape in fiction, it’s more about rape culture. Rape culture does have an impact on our society. The fact that it is so normalized, trivialized, and very often romanticized, still impact people, probably not you as a singular but people as a society. Also, i haven’t seen a single comment about people attacking others because of this topic. Some are disappointed and frustrated but that’s it. And their reactions are quite understandable.

I agree it may affect some at a certain extent, but that’s where responsibility comes into play—what you willingly consume is unfortunately all on you.

Fiction can most certainly affect us. I hate the argument that it’s all fiction and it doesn’t harm anyone.

Some become desensitized to the harsh reality of those who go through rape and murder.

Fiction does not affect reality, unless you have underlying issues that would be anyway triggered by any type of content, regardless if it's fictional, real, its genre etc. The desensitization to real life issues is not caused by fictional media. The proof of that, is both scientifically supported and by empirical evidence, such as: there has never been an epidemic of murders despite chronic and extensive depictions of murder in fictional media.

Also, the amount of dislikes such comments like mine receive which touch on this topic on multiple dark themed stories is another indicator of how especially currently the world (particularly imprrsionable and anxious individuals) is influenced by puritans who encourage censorship instead of addressing and providing both information and support towards the actual causes of serious issues in societies.

I never said fiction is a cause for what happens in reality, I think I phrased wrong so that’s on me, but more so that it can certainly affect or ‘worsen’. Those who already have underlying health issues such as mental health are more susceptible to being affected by fictional stories. That’s where responsibility comes into play, what we consume is on us and parents that let minors have devices.

Rather than fiction causing harm in reality, it’s usually the other way around. There is no clear evidence that it’s media causing underlying issues. I just believe what we consume can affect the already-there mental conditions.

I personally read dark themed stories to escape reality in which many heavily redact/censor as you say. I also find it a bit much, but my curiosity and interest in uncensored stories will always win over.

I’ve lived a life of censorship, it’s only natural I am attracted to the forbidden or taboo aspects. The only way my mental health can feel secure is telling myself this isn’t real, or read more of the “less taboo/friendly” stories.

Girl, I literally gave you exemples on how fiction can impact reality just because it doesn’t impact murders, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an impact. Everything is not black and white. Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re puritans. Also, you’re like « yeah, you can be annoyed by rape (you said they « can dislike it and discuss it», that’s your own words) but if they’re actually annoyed and they actually dislike it, it means they’re bad people ? And you’re not even open to a debate, cause you’re not even trying to understand another perspective that is not yours. Also, you’re contemptuous so yeah, there’s really no point discussing it with you. Enjoying a piece of fiction while admitting it can have a negative impact on people is actually possible. Just saying. But yeah, whatever. Bye.

And honestly 21:7 of dislikes and likes aren’t too bad. But still, yes, many moral police will come knock at the door and try to put words in mouth, trying to define who you are for apparently “supporting” such themes.

No, I don’t condone rape. To be honest, I shouldn’t have to explain more but they think they’re entitled to it.

I forgot to mention. Those who are raging at these types of story may also be the ones that probably went through something similar, or just a lot of projections.

So again, it’s not exactly a cause and effect relationship. Fiction doesn’t cause what they went through, it only worsens if it triggers them and they continue to consume such…

I think they’re trying to say that fiction doesn’t CAUSE things. This is a big debate I’ve seen a lot, and I’m not a fan of it lol. I don’t like debating in general..

I think they misunderstood me saying fiction affects real life. I don’t believe that fiction CAUSES stuff since a lot of those triggered already have underlying issues, but I strongly believe fiction can worsen/affect some negatively.

Here's the thing. Fictional content causing you to question/explore a topic that it depicts (no matter extensively or superficially) is perfectly valid. HOWEVER, being influenced by what is presented in it as to form opinions or shape our real life views based on it is something that we are taught from a very young age NOT to do. That is what I mean when I say fiction does not have an effect
in reality. Everything we see and read in fiction, if it's to be applied as an idea or action in real life is to be filtered through REAL LIFE sources. Such as science, psychology, finance, sociology, history etc... that's the role of education, family, specialists if need be.
Themes in fictional media can influence our moods/emotions, so taking a step back when something is interfering with how you react and function is also important. Instead of making it out to be harmful, it's your regulation of said mood/emotions that's what has to be checked-in with or adjusted.
Rape is not more trivialized through fictional works , that happens if there's a predisposition of the individual to think so or an established social perspective that encourages it, which would happen completely independently from any fictional work any way. The vast majority of us know perfectly well it's inherently wrong, harmful never to be done. That doesn't change even if it's used as a cheap smut trope in a manga, what varies is who can read it and who skip it. On the contrary, it can potentially help with its destigmatization because it can lead to more discussions about it and more real life information being shared on the topic. Apart from discussing it in the setting of the story, we discuss it in irl terms as well, being more open to share experiences, to set boundaries, to differentiate etc.
If you're worried about rape normalization in some societies - especially among men- asking for there to be no fiction with it would literally achieve no change. The driving forces of our perspective on the matter are our judicial systems, government, educational system, health sector, prominent voices, traditions and social norms/trends.
Now, take the trend of women reading dark romance and being vocal about it. It led to an increase of dark romance content, of open discussions and exploration of kinks and fetishes, but ALSO a very important increase of women explaining that it only applies to fiction or consenting adults with specific boundaries and it doesn't mean that they're romanticizing not condoning rape/assault/manipulation. Which is important again for younger or more susceptible women to hear and navigate! If something's harmful it won't suddenly become acceptable just bc it was depicted in a bunch of fiction.

I understand what you meant. But again, that's not caused by fiction itself.
If someone isn't particularly sensitive about animal abuse and they watch/read fictional stories that heavily use it as a theme, some portray it as clearly wrongful, others touch on it superficially and never addressing it as a bad thing. What do you think will happen? How will it influence them? Will they suddenly decide it's ok to abuse animals? My answer to that is that almost noone would think that, so why should the few outliers dictate our overall approach, instead of identifying what makes them outliers and separately addressing that.

The other person who commented mentioned misinformation based off of popular fictional works circulating to the point where it becomes established in some people's perceptions. How is that the fault of the works themselves and not of our own critical thinking or the lack of measures being put into place by responsible authorities to address and clarify the issue? We would literally have to censor everything if we are basing our safety on what cannot be included in fiction to potentially avoid misinformation being generated and even then the main issues in our world would not be any better for it.
I'm irked by the fact that many of us focus on attacking harmless pass-time activities and acting as if we're saving the world from scum, one "red flag bl reader" at a time.

I don’t think I’ve said it’s caused by fiction itself. I’ve stated that fiction can affect, not that it can cause. Affect doesn’t = cause or at least that’s not what I’m saying.

As for the rest, I’m not sure because I don’t really care about what another thinks. I’m too lazy to respond sometimes, life is short!

Finally someone pointing put the vomiting & kissing may not be related at all, i rlly think author is trying their best to make everything seem like a misunderstanding to reveal the plot twist and people are falling for it too easily

I've definitely talked with more ppl who think so too, it'd be too superficial of a development if it was just him being disgusted by the kiss. He literally seems to have a different personality in the bathroom scene. Even if he was lying abt having amnesia (though I'm more inclined to believe he legit has 2 personalities) and all that, he is STILL blushing so hard, so it's def NOT disgust that he's feeling.

Exaaactly. Also abt your other theories, for me I think he may be a geto/kenjaku situation, like pyo guwon is the vessel and sisyphus the personality we see. Bc his amnesia is weird, people with amnesia usually forget abt who they're but they don't forget ordinary things, even if he used to be a maggot he could still understand humans. But guwon doesn't, his understanding of stuff is so off it doesn't seem like he ever experienced humanity but if his a entity that ended in this body to fulfill the cursed he already loved through once? Idk it sounds cool

When I say he has amnesia, to me that's what happens when they turn into a zombie, losing any memories and knowledge from before. So that body, combined with the transferring of a living person's consciousness ends up in this dual personality state. I think it's an experimental procedure and he was one of the first to undergo it. Which is also why he's been charged with the responsibility of the town, which is somehow connected to said procedure so they can perfect it and like avoid the dual aspect, so only the living consciousness remains in the body.
But I really like your guess and it'd be so interesting to see what kind of entity that would be and what would it mean re: recurring world apocalypse.

Please... Spoil me. Did the mc get assaulted by someone? Was he r@p3d?

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He was in a way, yes. He lost interest in our mc as a lover (and a human being, apparently) and he was using his powers to make him hallucinate that he was having s3x with him after falling asleep, but in reality jaeha was bringing in strangers to have s3x with the mc instead. So, r@pe by proxy and manipulation. Actually still can't get over how horrifying that is

It's definitely DASH but just another sports lol

Yeah it is similar but honestly could be coincidence. Its not like both author just up and started a new series without any plan. a lot of time for research is put behind the scenes before we even get the very first chapter. I'm sure Pibi knew about the similarities and just stuck with it.

And I read a very similar story in a bl Manga, i forgot the title but its very similar to this and Dash. When I read melting point the first thing I remember is that manga and not dash lol, since I just found out about Dash here in the comments lmao.

That's probably the case, but I haven't read any other story that follows this exact premise:
youth doing a sport > younger kid starts said sport and looks up to older one, then falls for them > youth quits the sport and it's partially bc of the younger kid being a prodigy in comparison > they lose touch and younger kid lives mostly abroad, then comes back to kr and signs for the company the mc works for, with the latter being roped into handling his account bc seemingly the ml is holding a grudge against him> ml adds personal conditions to their professional relationship and keeps trying to get mc back into the sport

And so on and so forth. The similarities aren't your typical ones. I'm thinking this might the birth of this very specific trope and like I said, I'm not complaining, but it's interesting enough to talk about it

OMG TELL ME YOU‘RE LYINGGGG

Unfortunately not, but it's bc of the author's personal/family issues. So let's wish them well and hang in there!