Sorry but come on...I don’t blame the fictional characters for their actions, it will be stupid.
Instead I am kinda tired of authors putting a rape scene in almost every single manga...even the ones where it really didn’t need to have one. Like I kinda understand the other prisoners sexually harassing the kid, it kinda make us see the shitty situation he finds himself in, but was there a need to make a lovable character do something like that, why? Like it’s not that deep I understand, but was that really necessary? And I understand that the character didn’t know any better, and I am not blaming him, I am just saying that for me that scene was kinda disappointing..
Also its like they are always showing us how some character rapes other one, and then he ends up forgiving him. ?¿ its not that easy tho. People will start to take rape more lightly, that's dangerous.
I was so excited bc he finally saw who he was and then that rape scene came¿?? was it necessary?
mhmm please someone tell me that everyone knows what videotapes are..like I am not that old ok? But I still lived in the era of videotapes...it wasn't that long ago!
Oh God...
A thing that I notice reading the comments is that a uke raping the seme is more accepted by the viewer compared to seme raping uke...I wonder why? There is almost no comment addressing it
I felt the same way. Looks like most people are fine with rape when its against a man who's penetrating but if it's a guy being penetrated everyone is gonna comment about it and not be okay with it. Double standards...
An interesting observation.
If I had to guess, I'd say it might have to do with the fact that most yaoi forces the reader to view the story from the uke's perspective. The uke is usually the main character and often the more feminine character. As most yaoi readers are female, they are going to gravitate to relating with the uke. Another thing about yaoi is most of readers are probably reading it so they can fantasize about getting fucked by a hot guy. So the readers have already "consented" to any sex that happens because they are viewing themselves as the uke that's getting fucked. So even if they uke hasn't really consented the reader has, and even if the uke is incapacitated the reader isn't, so it doesn't "feel" like rape from the reader perspective. You have to actually take a step back and read it like a story, not a fantasy fulfillment device, to see what the situation really is to see the rape happening. It could also be because people don't want to imagine themselves being raped so they tell themselves it's consensual and reject any suggestion otherwise. Another possibility could be that people doesn't want to admit they have a rape fetish and thus argue it's not rape.
On the other side, when the uke does the raping it might be easier to see as people like to see themselves as good person. This means that when the uke does something as wrong as rape people are unable to relate and call it out.
This is all speculation, don't treat it as fact. I just think this is an interesting topic to speculate about.
No, uke raping the sème is not okay. But here given the context, Ian was locked in a room and abused physically and sexually for years. He probably don't really know what personal sexual boundaries are.
Yeah I understand, and you are right that the background and context of the character should count, not as a justification, but at least it gives them a reason as to why they act that way even in their wrongs.
Here not only the background of the character but even the time the story take place, I don't believe that at that time there were any talks or concerns about human rights, much less rape.
But at the same time thats not what I am talking about, I am talking more about the viewer view point, not really the characters...now there where so many similar mangas in which the seme was the one doing the same thing the uke did here, and was dragged down by the commenters (for right reasons of course), here there is almost no one mentioning what happened. As a viewer living in a different society with different ideals then the ones in the manga, it should give us a different look at things that were normal then...thats what schooked me, not how the uke reacted.
Again I am never one to be too mindful about fictional stuff or get too pissed about these stuff, but the ones that do get pissed at times are right.
I completely agree with you...many times the authors who write yaoi stories are females and even if that's not the case, it will be delusional saying that yaoi isn't meant to be a kind of porn addressed to girls. The uke most of the time (not always) is exactly a girl in men clothes, so we tend to relate to him more than the seme...thats how things are, I guess. That's why we tend to justify him more, becuase in most cases we see ourselves through him. Thats completely understandable, but at the same time also a bit sad...
Ahhh this story is too much for my fragile heart...honestly though no matter how I like the character of suu and how I find it intricate and interesting, I don't particularly favor him compared to the other characters. In my opinion everyone in in this manga is equal in terms of "shitness" (excuse my words), don't get me wrong I totally understand where they come from and the society they live in...but nor Jin, nor Suu are good people, they are just humans who try to survive however they can, butttt (don't judge me pleasseee) they actually deserve some of the pains they have to deal with. The only person who at the end was trying to be a good person was Nadan, he is the one I have more sympathy for...yeah maybe he was a bit idealistic and not as witty as Suu, but he didn't want to live Suu's life, he wanted to live a somewhat happy life far away from court. He tried hard to stay away from unnecessary trouble (opposite from Suu who was more ambitious), but still ended up entagled in Suu's schemes. Man I get Suu's view point and why he acts like that, but he really ruined Nadan's life. And really by trying so hard to outwit the bad guys, Suu ended up being just as bad as they are...
Everyone judged Nadan because he didn't correspond the love of the main protagonist, but he is the one I think I feel sorry for the most.
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I was super pissed and disappointed when the seme tried to almost "rape" the uke...it was really out of nowhere. Don't get me wrong, I am never someone to be mindful of these things in fanfics, but sometimes they get annoying and repetitive. Mostly because I loved the seme more then the uke...and to throw a thing like that just for drama for me was like such a contrast to the seme sweetness until that point. I am happy though how they handled it after that though, how the uke responded (rare in this yaoi world) and how the seme was sorry and apologetic (even rarer). Most of the time, they depict rape as if it's almost "normal" and they romanticize that and never address the behavior...so this is definitely a step ahead.
Again I am not someone who gets all pissed for these things in mangas (even If I don't blame the ones that do...sometimes it's just too much), but it's undeniable that sometimes it's such a bullshit how authors always try to fit rape rape in stories that really don't need it.
yessss agreed!! the almost rape was a very lazy way to add conflict. it just depicted the seme in a completely different light, for absolutely no reason. ugh, just a big shame
I know right! The seme until that point, and even after that, was such a sweet guy...it really looked forced and out of character...and it really served no purpose to the story apart for unnecessary conflict...
I am ok with drama and a bit of angst, but they could have chosen another way in my opinion
Sometimes I wonder...why make such a hateful character and let him end up happy and satisfied. If I was the author I would have loved to see Tamura burn in the deepest flames of hell. I really don't understand...there was nothing likable or even redeemable about him, so why give him a boyfriend??? Thank God the main couple was cute though. But Tamura nah
Not to be a hater ahahah I have no problem with the manga whatsoever, I still find the idea pretty interesting and different from the usual omega verse. But different doesn't necessary mean that its any better. I mean there is still a power imbalance, its just switched roles, but basically the same injustice no? I mean not consented sex is still rape no matter who does it, man or woman, alpha or omega...
I meaaan reading some comments they were referring to this sentence "Alpha are just there"( or something like, I that don't remember ahahahah) like it was a quote from Martin L. King..that way of thinking is still bad you know that right?
SORRY FOR SPOLING THE FUN PEOPLE, its a fantasy world and not a social study class ahahah i am still gonna follow the manga because I find it interesting, but I am concerned of what some people consider powerful and confident in this society. I am old ok ╮(￣▽￣)╭ ahahahah.
nahhh its cool man its just when there is a consistant dominancy from one side it gets hella annoying so we enjoyin this bcz the tip in the balance is always interesting..and no society has perfect balance even if its virtual ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
True True ahahaha sorry that I got all serious, I too find the switch interesting and its sure going to be entertaining seeing how it will play out. And of course you are right, there is no perfect balance and equality in life and in society, but it sure would be nice to close the gap, at least a bit. I think that's what everyone right now wants to achieve (๑•ㅂ•)و✧. But this is not supposed to be a critique. Let's enjoy yaoi to the fullest!
I don't know why but I was already thinking how this story was going to end up while reading the 2nd chap...in my mind it was going so smoothly. I was a fool.
First (in my head) we were to discover that Minori chan had a crush on Sasuke's mom (the expression he had while talking to the phone with her was a bit strange), then the mom without the son to cock-block her anymore would eventually have found a boyfriend that she wanted to marry ( I don't know ok in Japan they move fast), so Minori would have been real sad and with Sosuke to console him and THEN learn to love him till the end of times...my mind was running wild ahahahah. I believed that it would have ended like this, even when there was the scene with the friend remembering how Minori never used to have someone he liked in school. I WAS SOO BLIND...the ending scene was like "ok no, lets erase everything (⊙…⊙ )"
Wow this manga makes me think a lot. To be true I never heard of Amish before, but from what I see they are such an interesting community. I don't criticize their ideals, every society has it's rules and it's limits, no doubt about that.
I only hope that Theo and Oz will end up together!!!
A few questions (forgive my ignorance): How common are they in the USA? And of course they are christian on the Protestant side no? I don't think they are on the catholic side, watching their culture. Maybe I am wrong though, catholics in America have different social believes compared to catholics in Italy. Sorry If I sound dumb ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Asking questions is to seek knowledge, never ignorance. So don't say that about yourself :) There are Amish in 28 US states and there is a community in Ontario Canada. (I think the Pennsylvania Amish are probably the best known, and where this chapter takes place.) And you are right, they are Mennonites, a branch of the Protestant church.
Thanks for the answer ;)!
I didn't mean to sound self-deprecating.
I was trying in my own special way to not sound like I was coming from a judgmental place ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
I didn't mean to say that I or the question being asked were ignorant, I meant that I was ignorant on the subject, because it was the first time hearing about Amish ahaha.
lol, got it! :D
Well let’s just say that mc is the worst spy ever…the ml was veeery suspicious from the start