i want ACTUAL change in his behavior, not letting his anger get control of him, not constantly thinking of himself and being narcissistic. one of his first thoughts about kim dan when finding out he'd have a new match is "should i cut my losses and hire someone else?" and not even worrying about kim dan being "a total wreck", it's always jaekyung, he's completely self-absorbed.
he doesn't even realize HIS OWN behavior, it isn't JUST Junmin's fault, it's Jaekyung's fault, MAYBE just MAYBE if he realized the world didn't revolve around him and other people have feelings and aren't just sex toys for him to take advantage of and take his anger out on, maybe the story would be good.
Totaly agree. The only excuse he has now is that he is so everly self centered (not being help by his job) that he doesn't realise his feeling or the impact his actions has on other peoples. He really needs to. If Dan forgive him in this state I'll lose my fucking mind.
no bitch you just like getting ur dick wet cuz ur fucking annoying. this man is genuinely so stupid. how is he even shocked that kim dan fainted and didnt remember?? did his dumbass forget kim dan drank basically half a bottle of whiskey before hand?
his horseface could've said "No" he's not in Kim Dan's situation, jaekyung wasn't drunk, kim dan cant easily overpower JK, unlike vice versa. jst put yo dick in a blender atp so this doesnt continue. he's so narcissistic, just like hes always been.
bro was cooking JK there for a moment. but who would've guessed! jaekyung is still stupid and has pebbles for a brain, kim dan just got diagnosed with insomnia and basically severe alcoholism, but yeah lets fuck. "can we really let it go on like this" no, its not WE, its YOU.
bitch soft to his meemaw and not treating him like a living sex toy cockwarmer 24/7. cant believe i genuinely just read "why i oughta" and it wasnt said ironically. he has to have the brain the size of a chicken because how the fuck does he fail to not only read a room but respect boundaries.
JK treats kim dan like *actually* caring about him like a human being is such a hard job. Heesung wasnt kidding when he said jaekyung doesnt deserve kim dan.
"JK treats kim dan like *actually* caring about him like a human being is such a hard job."
>You put into words<
Yes, jaegeng is frustrating. He's disappointing... if at least the author gave him more lingering feelings. I'd like to see him at least falling asleep/relaxing with Kim Dan, but she only shows him being annoyed
1. the author (Koogi) said she didn't want it romanticized in a Wired.it article.
2. it's about stockholm syndrome.
3. Koogi quite literally states the meaning of the story in the final Q&A
i dont want to go into a whole essay about why it should be removed but:
The two main characters of Killing Stalking have mental illness representation, which plays a key part in the series. Yoon Bum struggles with hypersexuality, Stockholm syndrome, Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), and derealization. Sangwoo is a sociopath/has Anti-Social Personality Disorder (ASPD) and a narcissist.
Moving onto the romanticization and glorification of the relationship between Sangwoo and Yoon Bum, and how the reasoning behind their relationship is foreshadowed. Sangwoo says in one of the last chapters that he should’ve killed Yoon Bum from the start and he regrets not doing so. The reason Sangwoo kept Yoon Bum alive is for sexual pleasure and the fact that Yoon Bum resembled Sangwoo’s mother, Eunseo. This is foreshadowed multiple times within the series.
youre so funny. check again from where you found the point in #1 and wonder why it disappeared
huh? i literally have the article where she says that, its an italian article by wired.it
no. I know exactly where you got the interview from. and clearly you cant read because thats not what shes talking about
google it and its gone
its not lmfao, google "wired.it killing stalking" and its the first result
it is..she literally says "Koogi: "I had only one, which was to not fall into an easy romanticization of the victim/tormentor dynamic, as often happens in other works, from films to comics. Rationally I didn't realize it right away, but subconsciously this thought - "I must not fall into that mistake!" - followed me from the early stages."" and in the title she says she didnt want it to feel romantic.
yeah and can you tell me what they were asking her?
thats not what i meant
"***Killing Stalking *** is explicit, violent, and it is also honest in showing a certain type of dark feelings and impulses of the human being. Dealing with very complex and delicate themes, a superficial approach, or even just naive, would have been enough to transform it into a mediocre product. Did you have any concerns about this when you started?"
I know this is an old comment but do you have a link to the article by any chance? Or can you point me to where I can find it translated to English? Also completely agree with you. Even if the author came out and said Sangwoo was in love, he wasn't. I couldn't find a hint of love in him in my reading experience. The only reason this story gets such a bad reputation is delusional BL readers desperately trying to spin it into a love story. If a man kidnapped a woman, broke her legs, confined her, assaulted her, and kept beating her until the day he died no one would've tried to argue that he loved her because he played house with her for a bit, at least no sane person would.
Even if the author came out and said Sangwoo was in love, he wasn't.
Do you even hear yourself. You literally make zero sense
Girl, lay off. This is not the hill you want to die on. Also no. It makes perfect sense. The author might say that to appease psychotic fans but she explicitly says: "From the very beginning Sangwoo never saw Bum for him." He couldn't have possibly fallen in love with someone he sees as nothing but a proxy for another. His behaviour in the end is typical for someone with NPD. If their victim opposes them they become obsessive. I hope for your sake you're able to recognise Narcissistic Personality Disorder symptoms.
Thank you. I guess it means there's no English translation so I'll make do with machine translation
to appease fans? shes literally not doing anything like that and you just made it up. She CONFIRMS its a BL because she wanted it to be a BL. you pick and choose what you want to believe. https://imgur.com/y4Xtdge
What about this interview then? can you read the title for me? https://www.meganerd.it/koogi-intervista/
I will die on this hill because I can think for myself.
not even the same article *I* was referring to LMFAO. she still said she didn't want it to feel romantic, even if it is about "love", Yoon Bum is obviously delusional and has Stockholm syndrome.
Yeah KS explores love as a theme. The author doesn't even mention love between whom for all we know she's talking about Seungbae's love for his dad. Also no one claimed KS is not BL. BL is an umbrella term for anything with homoerotic undertones/overtones. Anything with two men fucking by a Korean author will be classified as BL for lack of any other generic classifications. Can you tell me with conviction something like Sheep's Mask is romantic because it's classified as BL? No one even said anything about BL you can't even stay on topic. You willfully ignore the article OP posted too. Girl it's not too late for you to leave your goon cave, the rape porn you goon to is eating up your brain cells.
Yeah so I was linking a new article for you to see. So Koogi says she also portrays a story of love, but you don't want to listen to that and make up an excuse "Yoon Bum is obviously delusional and has Stockholm syndrome". sure but Stockholm syndrome is something that is never even officially talked about
if you want to get back on topic. you replied to a post and the OP said "Koogi said she didn't want it romanticized in a Wired.it"
She never said that in the wired interview. she was talking about what could have made the story turn out not as good. she replies with the easy romanization that trivialized the victim / abuser dynamic. Does that sound like she said she never wanted it romanticized? no.
also you saying "Even if the author came out and said Sangwoo was in love, he wasn't." still makes literally no since. you just clearly just dislike ks or something
That's just saying "if it was confirmed sangwoo was in love, I dont care he still wasnt" lmaooo ok. Im not even saying its a love story but that was a dumb comment to make
Sure might've not been the best way to word it, but I'm saying if you look at the straight hard facts: Sangwoo being confirmed heterosexual, him never seeing Bum for himself, all the abuse he subjects him to, any way you cut it he just wasn't in love. Claiming he loved him is easy romanticisation that trivialises the victim/tormentor dynamic. You could argue Bum was in love sure but his kind of love is twisted and obsessive, so to me that's open to debate. Also how did you jump to that conclusion? I rated KS 5 stars and I think it's an extremely well written psychological thriller, I just don't think it's a love story. Anyway if you want to romanticise it you're free to do so. My intention was to agree with OP not to argue with you. Have a great whatever time of day it is for you.
stockholm syndrome a VERY obvious response someone can have, look up the definition of stockholm syndrome and tell me Yoon Bum doesn't have that
she DID say it, the article doesnt show what they asked her. where she DOES say having a victim/tormenter dynamic would be bad they do show what they ask her. she doesnt even use the same wording in the og translation:
Koogi: "Non volevo che Killing Stalking sembrasse una storia romantica"
Koogi è la giovane autrice di Killing Stalking, manwha sulla storia d'amore tra un serial killer e il suo stalker. L'abbiamo intervistata a Lucca Comics & Games
***Killing Stalking ***è esplicito, violento, ed è anche onesto nel mostrare un certo tipo di sentimenti e pulsioni oscure dell'essere umano. Trattando di temi molto complessi e delicati, sarebbe bastato un approccio superficiale, o anche solo ingenuo, per trasformarlo in un prodotto mediocre. Avevi delle preoccupazioni in merito, quando hai cominciato?
Koogi: "Ne avevo solo una, cioè quella di non cadere in una facile romanticizzazione della dinamica vittima/aguzzino, come capita spesso in altre opere, dai film ai fumetti. Razionalmente non l'ho realizzato subito, ma inconsciamente questo pensiero - "non devo cadere in quell'errore!" - mi ha seguita fin dalle prime fasi".
my point stands.
we get it you like romanticizing abuse and rape, lets not water it down to toxic yaoi. It shouldn't be surprising that people hate an unlikable character. Let alone on a manhwa that started out from sexual coercion, Jaekyung practically bribing Kim Dan, which is rape btw. just because its fiction doesn't mean its something that should be overlooked. rape and abuse are things people have ACTUALLY gone through and are often silenced for.
wipe ur spit off their balls lmfao
Amen to this!!!
Be careful it stans will attack you for simply speaking facts
It's a contract, get over it.
They won't attack for something like that, that's they other side. They'll come back when they see copy n paste comments.
Does that really matter they all they do is attack people for simply criticizing a rape story but continue to dick ride this.
It does when you say stuff like that.
People can separate reality and fiction.
You are free to say whatever but attacking those who genuinely enjoy the story and appreciate the creator will cause backlash.
No one likes being called something outside their beliefs. It's safe to say most readers would not tolerate Jaekyung in real life and mostly likely, he'd be arrested. But this is fiction. It doesn't align with one's realistic point of view.
What if you constantly heard " I hate dan! He's so pathetic! I hate Dan! He's so useless! I can hate Dan! He such a baby!" But you like Dan and you simply want to find someone who agrees. Is it wrong? I don't think so.
I wouldn’t give a shit you need to touch grass
holy yaptromy i had a stroke reading this.
also ur literally same person who thinks jaekyung ISNT a rapist.
This is why I don’t interact with them anymore or even go near here it’s just filled with porn addicts who have the same excuse to justify romanticizing abuse “ it’s just fiction” or outright denying that it’s rape
a contract through coercion.
Not quite. He offer money on top of what he'll make. He was given an option, not an ultimatum. Dan left, don't forget. After seeing how much he needed the money, he came back with his own demands.
This made me laugh. I feel flattered being recognized. But yeah I suppose I am.
All I said was a contract was made prior to carnal interactions.
Ah man I missed out on something wonderful, huh?
Man I had many topics I was in at once around this time that I overlooked this bunch! I apologize.
i jump up and down in joy!!