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THIS!!!!

Anyone inventing that wasnt there is dumb. But it is also the same when Leo stans were insisting that Leo did nothing wrong. That being rude or that he was told nothing when he was, was just wrong.
Both stans inflated the situation did not stick to the story.

i can see how that is frustrating, however i did see several leo stans admitting leo had things to work on and he had obvious flaws but if leo stans were to create false claims around jj's character like how some jj stans continued to do throughout the season for leo, i know they would have been attacked because it is unfair to try to ruin any character by making up things. no one seemed to bring this up and it was unfair for those jj stans to continue and then turn around and say "you guys have selective memory" you know?

All I saw was the opposite. The continuous hate on JJ when the perspective we're following was Leo's. So a lot of the guess work should've been on JJ because a lot of the info is from Leo's - who was drunk, partying or gaming. So I find it weird that JJ stans would invent things that wasn't there. And that is ridiculous.

Omg babes come comment at my topic instead of making a vague statement for your oppression olympics You see this is what I mean by selective memory because it’s so damn obvious people are hating on JJ whether it’s here or tiktok, if I had all the free time I would link you to every one of the topics but you can go back yourself to read it. Everyone only see Leo as the “bigger victim” in all of this, disregarded how horrible he was as a boyfriend (you say acknowledge, but they also take lightly of the things he did as something that isn’t a big deal), and blaming JJ for staying in the relationship for 5 years “without communicating”. Even tho we have said we don’t know if JJ never actually communicated people still didn’t want to admit it until the author had to explicitly show it through this chapter and then they go “well… Everyobody makes mistakes ykno” even tho y’all were quick to label him as a useless boyfriend who couldn’t communicate and stayed as doormat for 5 years. If you think the shoe doesn’t fit then you don’t have to feel offended about it LMAO. But let’s not have selective memory here.

Exactly. We never even said Leo stans are making shit up we just said people refuse to see things from a larger and unbiased perspective because the narrative has always been from Leo’s POV. So it’s easier to sympathize and feel sorry for him, and resenting his partner instead even tho we SHOULD HAVE KNOWN there’s two sides to everything. Majority of people didn’t even try to understand JJ’s POV because people were too invested in Leo’s that’s why they demonized him a lot as a horrible boyfriend even tho they’re both at fault. Only when the obvious is laid here people started having selective memory about their biased opinion and say things like “we would never do such thing!” but they have been subconsciously.

Also a last PSA, my topic is meant in a general sense. If the shoe doesn’t fit you then you’re fine. But let’s not act like majority of people didn’t do what I mentioned because it’s very obvious they did.

Haven't read any that demonized Leo that was not in the chapters, I.e cheating or being a slut. All I read was point out what Leo did wrong, that was enough grounds for someone to quit and break up. Because I would also argue that those were not in the chapters and those would be a far reach. From skinship (say he's drunk or Italian) is a far from cheating or flirting. That's mad. But again, haven't read those.

The argument was always and supposedly only about how Leo was wrong that he was never told anything and how he behaved is not enough grounds to upset anyone and break up. Because they are.

My whole original post is regarding the fact how some jj stans have claimed and made false lies about leo in this comment section. It happened almost every week and for every post luckily people replied to correct them, and jj stans proceeded by deleting their comment rather than accept the fact they were twisting the story to fit their leo narrative. If you want to talk about "the jj hate" "the leo hate" "whos the real bigger victim" that is it's own separate topic. I'm not referring about having strong opinions because this story is full of strong opinions for jj and leo. my post is about people STATING lies about leo. Look i've seen hateful opinions saying they feel leo is narcissistic or full to blame, like whatever, that's an opinion jj stans feel, ok but TO KEEP STATING that a lie is fact is not ok with me and thats what my original post is about. I was originally not going to post this since it looks like the plot is heading towards healing but its not just me that noticed that the drama started incoming when jj stans starting coming in for this chapter calling out everyone as selective readers after this chapter. and for the next time don't go ahead calling people babes it makes people uncomfortable but apparently seems to be a habit with the jj stans to call people names.

Well the shoe didn't fit since my post is about some jj stans who made lies saying they were facts and then people corrected them and jj stans went on to delete pretending nothing happened. My post never said i was insisting or trying to convince people on a certain opinion?...

"We never even said Leo stans are making shit up " well thats because leo stans never made up shit about jj, sure there are different pov and opinions formed but leo stans never claimed jj was cheating or that he had a public instagram account for clout, because that would be LYING about jj. it seemed to me the jj stans who lied and deleted their posts were desperate to have people on their side for jj to point of making false claims which was useless because the author would be sharing more pov's like last week. im not saying it was you but there were accounts here who made up lies and had to then delete them when people told them to reread the chapter. theres a big difference between having a strong negative opinion vs lying. and my post that you replied to was me referring to the jj stans who have lied about leo. you can call out and try to say all leo stans have selective reading but dont turn a blind eye to the jj stans who had no reading skills at all

So don’t quote me next time if the shoe don’t fit. Because it’s clear your point and my point are different. I’m talking about people who have differing opinions and people were attacking anyone who would even try to understand JJ’s pov. When I first read this (this was in the early chapters) I literally just said I sympathize with JJ and people attacked me. Then I saw a few other people doing the same. Whenever they make a neutral opinion about how both of them are wrong before Leo’s behavior was shown, the thumbs up and down ratio would be JARRING (10 thumbs up vs 21 thumbs down) and all the comments are just going “WELL LEO DID HAVE HIS WRONGS BUT JJ IS AT FAULT HE DIDNT GIVE LEO A CHANCE TO CHANGE” (and all the other excuses with mass people defending them)

Again, THAT is what I meant by selective memory. You clearly seen my post and what I talked about I never said about false claims SO DONT QUOTE ME NEXT TIME.

This is so immature
Leo is an adult he can make time to his partner if he want just like how he make time to go to bars as u can see in the chapter when leo showed love to JJ he was smiling and JJ actually Was Happy!
So idk what u on about tbh
And yes Leo has a lesson to learn and he is learning it rn

jj is an adult too and can communicate but he didnt. he chose to grape him instead.

and whats wrong with going to a bar ?

Nothing wrong with going to bars but if u can make time to go to bars u can make time for your precious person as well but leo didnt
Btw JJ might have been bad at communicating but Leo was bad as well also he took advantage of JJ and hurt him so he is getting what he deseeves as u can see

From what it seems, JJ accepted Leo's gifts and actions though. He felt shy with the shirts but still wore his, he didn't want to be filmed but didn't seem to be angry at Leo either. But isn't it kind of selfish to ignore your partner's feelings/boundaries?

The trip thing: Leo never actually explained the schedule thing, what he told JJ was different than what he was thinking. He told JJ "let's not, I don't want to be chased by fans" (which is technically still valid, but is not about his schedule). They could have made alternative plans, "sorry I can't change my schedule, but we can go to the trip another time or maybe we can go on a day trip or have a date night". Which is made worse when five minutes later, Leo gets a call from his friends and dips. He's going to a bar, where he's bound to meet fans or others, so why is that fine? So is he so busy he can't spend time with just JJ or does he just not want to spend time with JJ? Does JJ have to be the only one to change his schedule for Leo? (Everytime he has to pick up Leo, JJ has to cut time from what he's doing.) Does Leo think them just sitting together is enough?

going to a bar is a couple hours vs a trip where you have to take days requested and his job isnt like some office 9-5 where you can request ahead of time. he has press and training, and events and races. like i said he had no intent to hurt jj by turning down the trip idea. he tries to make precious time for jj and invites him to join him too, even bought him a car with the idea of driving by his side.

Sure I would use someone who is precious to me to win in my races and go hang out w my friends and random girls at bars and when they are fed up with me id buy em a car they never asked to have and not even think about apologizing 14y olds mindset

what boundaries? jj never said to stop or said he feels uncomfortable unless you tell me what chapter did leo continue to hurt him by ignoring his boundaries. i cant believe that these precious photos of them is you trying to make leo a villain out of it.?

going to a bar is different than going on a long trip. and its showed before leo invities jj but jj doesnt like going to social events. i remember jj supporters getting mad at leo for inviting jj saying he wad forced but now people are mad leo goes alone for an afternoon with friends. my main point is INTENT. leo had no intent to hurt jj by going to a bar. vs jj had intent to hurt leo

its a ficitional story why you so pressed. not everyone is going to have the same opinion and if you cant handle a simple discussion without calling names then dont comment under my posts then? have a good day

Gurl u get it fr
These 14 year olds are embarassing not knowing how to be in a healthy Relationship

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Are you being obtuse on purpose? If someone tells you, hey please don't do this, you shouldn't. If someone tells you, please don't take pictures of me or don't touch my back, are you still going to do it? JJ has told Leo things before like don't film me or don't put me on the spot. And you are shifting the focus to the precious photos, when its not about the photos but about the principle of Leo listening to what JJ wants. When JJ told Leo to stop in the first chapter, Leo ignored him. What's the excuse for that? "It's okay because JJ liked it?" (╬￣皿￣)凸

No Leo didn't have the intent to hurt JJ but that doesn't matter at this point, because he did. And you shifted the conversation again. It's not about Leo going alone or not, it's not about the length of the trip either. If you bothered to read what I said, I said Leo didn't tell JJ no because of his schedule, he said no bc he didn't want to be surrounded by fans (which he would be surrounded by in a bar as well, so does he care about being surrounded or not?). And even if Leo did mention his schedule, it's inconsiderate to say "I'm busy so we can't have a trip but I am going to go to the bar on short notice" rather than saying we can change plans, rather than a long trip that'll take time to plan, we could squeeze in a date night. Leo just said no, gave no chance to discuss alternative options and dipped. Intent goes out the window when you can't accept you fucked up. If I tell a woman, wow you look pregnant, my intent may not be to offend but guess what, I just called her fat bc she isn't pregnant.

my post is all about INTENT, read it again if you have to. i am not shifting focus because my pain point is INTENT. "it doesnt matter anymore" of course for jj supporters the grape never matters.

and for the photos, that's leo way of showing love. he wants the memories and his account is private so its for himself. jj wouldnt even put this against him but agree to disagree.

Both of them are at fault fs. Leo took Jj’s feeling for granted because of too much security and comfortability in the relationship, while Jj bottled up everything instead of communicating. You’re right about Jj, that was dubious consent even if Leo’s the one who planned it.

And also when it comes to intent, still doesn’t excuse Leo’s behavior. He may not intended to hurt Jj, but he still did. He was too comfortable and just as he said, take advantage of it.

And yeah, clubbing and traveling is ofc different lmao, what they are actually implying is the ‘respect’, or insensitivity. You refuse the other, while accepts the other in front of that person is actually very insensitive. If you’re in that position, you ask your friend, he/she refuses then proceeds to accept someone’s invitation in a heartbeat. Even if the time it’ll took is different, that’ll still hurt. It’s just about being respectful and mindful, mostly if that person is your lover.

Leo knows he’s wrong, and he’s talking accountability for it. (Idk about Jj cause that man fs will leave the country).

the clown noises and hypocrisy in this comment section lmao. What's your point literally what's your point?? He didn't wanna get photographed but leo took his pictures oh no how evil of him to do that

Oh ffs it cut off my comment but my point was yes the intention is important

im not pinning anyone at fault. and my post isnt about whos fault it is. im just talking about intent. and i didnt say that excuses leo's behavior

i know they both have issues to work on and like you said leo is already reflecting and taking accountability but my post is just about intent.

i do have to disagree where you said "that was dubious consent even if leo the one who planned it" i dont think leo planned to be graped, ive read other manga stories where they both agree to be fwb even if its painful but that does mean its ok to grape.

either way im glad leo is doing some time alone to think and be better in the future and like u said idk about jj since hes leaving

First. I'll agree to disagree on the photo part. Maybe we aren't getting what we each mean? Idk, agree to disagree.

Second. I explained that intent doesn't matter in some cases. I didn't bring up JJ because that one is clear cut, JJ intended to hurt Leo, I'm not denying that. What I'm telling you is that for Leo even if he didn't intend to hurt JJ he did. First chapter, Leo coerced JJ into having sex, the fact that JJ felt like just a dildo doesn't change because Leo didn't mean it. Actually that makes it worse, because why would Leo see it as okay to use JJ like that? That's not okay.

Maybe if I say like this you'll understand. When JJ was talking to Peter at the gym, Leo felt hurt. At that point, JJ was literally just hanging out with a friend, nothing serious and no bad intentions. Seeing JJ smiling and talking to Peter hurt Leo, was it intentional? No, but that doesn't mean it didn't hurt. That's my point. Just because someone doesn't mean to hurt you, it doesn't mean you don't get to feel hurt by it. What matters is realizing you fucked up and Leo is barely getting there. I'm not saying Leo is an evil master manipulator, I'm saying he's been unintentionally hurting his lover and he needs to realize that.

Did you read what I wrote. It's about the principle, if someone tells you to not do something are you gonna do it anyways? Ultimately, JJ let Leo take the photos bc he loves Leo. I'm not saying that it's evil but I'm saying that it is inconsiderate to brush off what your partner says, even if it's something small like taking photos. I mean, when they were in the warehouse, JJ also ignored what Leo wanted out of anger. That's bad, you can't just walk over what your partner wants is the point and it applies to both but the issue is when Leo is excused bc he's just a little guy *sigh*.

For your other half of the comment, here's the tldr of my other response:

Just because someone doesn't mean to hurt you, it doesn't mean you don't get to feel hurt by it. What matters is realizing you fucked up and Leo is barely getting there. I'm not saying Leo is an evil master manipulator, I'm saying he's been unintentionally hurting his lover and he needs to realize that.

i think this is where we agree to disagree because to me, intent matters in all cases. if someone runs over my pet with intent vs someone who runs over my pet by accident. intent plays a huge role everyday. yes leo hurt jj, im not denying that ever.

leo hurt jj and jj has hurt leo. nothing will ever change that fact. but intent is something that impacts the way i look and empathize with characters. i know leo doesnt have a black heart and didnt mean to hurt him which is why this whole chapter leo is reflecting on his actions he wasnt aware of hurting jj because he never had the intention to do hurt him but he did.

Fair. I get it. Personally though, intent isn't as important as taking responsibility is. Using the dog example, if someone runs over my dog I would very angry if they shifted blame or didn't own up to it. "You're pet was too small! I didn't do anything wrong! Blah blah blah!" If they said, "Sorry man, I didn't mean to and I didn't see your dog" I would be less angry because they took responsibility and although they didn't mean to hurt my dog they admit they did wrong and apologized. If I bumped into someone by accident, I didn't mean to, but I still apologize. If I messed up at work, I would take responsibility and rectify my error even if I didn't mean to.

But yeah, I guess this boils down to personal views. So agree to disagree. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

I'm sorry that they're coming for you bc I agree with this comment the most .In my opinion it's ALWAYS the fault of thr person who gets annoyed by things but refuses to voice that and keeps a grudge and one day breaks lose on thr other bc the other person most of thr times never does anything with malice but bottling ur anger for small things will make u react woth malice (as in thr example of JJ here)

yeah i see, i think this is the arc coming up where leo is the one realizing and hes thinking of the past in a new way he didnt before and hes reflecting
and i hope to see jj also reflecting even though he'll be leaving, but yeah ╮(￣▽￣)╭

right and his reaction really struck a cord with me, all i hope is that with next season or arc he wont bottle it in with leo or anyone just for the sake of himself and others #－.－)

and omg for the most part i think everyone was chill but it was just that one person who freaked out on me, i didnt even notice they called me immature right of the bat. i should have just ignored them awell (⊙…⊙ )

that’s why there’s “dubious consent” in the statement

The way you worded that out feels like you’re victim blaming (I’m not relating this to Jj btw). Some people are not confrontational I hope you know that, they’re having a hard-time voicing out their feelings (

+ or even expressing themselves. They may have faults too for not voicing it but the depth of it being more at fault than the one causing harm is so funny like what?? So the person who speaks freely without self awareness for their words that it might hurt, disappointment, etc to someone is not at fault? Cause you stated “ALWAYS the fault” of those who stayed silent.

Yeah, I want to see them both reflecting and growing. I would also hate a chasing arc, I think a time skip then both reuniting to actually fix the relationship would be much better.

Sorry if I ever did sound too confrontational as well!

I don’t like him

it was probably like, wait on the other to text first because u don’t wanna see clingy or thinking the other person doesn’t want to talk to u, they both equally responsible

Koutaka is a coward, he cl0ses himself and does not let others know what he is thinking. He has been like that from the start, since the time Chitose first met him. Which in the end causes his rs with Chitose to fade. Idk I kind of like that his character has flaws. It makes it more realistic. I think he will change, but idk if it will be shown next chapter or will just be let for us to imagine.

Is this completo?

yes it is but ppl on this fucking site dont understand what consent is

tragically on brand for mangago

unfortunately

no cheating they will only do cheating roleplay with only each other

Well cuckold stuff isn't cheating because it's consensual

Wait I need to know exactly what ntr means cause I'm seeing two different definitions

Hmmm kinda meant cheating while in a relationship, loosely translated as cuckold

cuckload - suppose A & B are lovers in which one partners(A) cheats which someone(C) & their lover (B) watches them having sex & gets off while watching it

I know what cuckold is, though I wouldn't consider it cheating because it's with permission. I just didn't know what ntr was

Thank you

Thanks though

cuckold IS CONSENSUAL & ntr - IS A CHEATING WHERE IN THE END PARTNER GETS STOLEN FROM THEIR PREVIOUS LOVER .i.e. A & B are lovers but B and C cheats & in the end after cheating B leaves A & get together with C or others .

Woah ntr is crazy, gets stolen afterward? That's actually insane who even came up with that

also depending on the situation cuckold has variation one in which partners involved are all informed
& 2nd case when when A & B are lovers but B cheats with C or others but never informs about it to A .... Still A finds about the cheating but instead of confronting he enjoys getting cheated

This is a crazy trope wow, thanks for telling me