I saw a spoilers from insta a while back and knew it'd turn out like this.... how are you Zhenya stans doing? You okay? Need a hug? Come here
Hi if you see me around that's probably because I do long analyses on stories so tl;dr: I analyzed Kaal and Warrior and gave my takes on them
Man I was always rooting for Prince Kaal after all that noncon. I'm loving that warrior is actually progressing fairly well with Prince Kaal by his side you can see the character development in both of then (though you don't usually see it from a porn no plot series like Warrior's Adventure)
Here are my takes:
- I liked how Prince Kaal developed. He was characterized as, at this standard, a good guy. In the beginning he was described as kinder than most nobles despire his superiority complex, but he has every right to think so. One, because he's a prince and two, he has good insight. You can see his exchanges with the Warrior get kinder and kinder each interaction. One instance was how he warned Warrior against that duke, and the other was in the last part where he waited a month for permission from the Warrior (which btw is a massive change if you consider how they first met)
- I can see what characterizes the Warrior. In my perspective, Warrior is kinda like... a pornstar. If you think about it, some pornstars suffer mental issue because, well, some of them are treated like shit but their body responds to it. What I notice in Warrior's Adventure was that literally none of his mature scenes were consensual. They were usually forced on him or like the guard mentioned in the last scene, that the Warrior usually doesn't fight back against them. But you see in the last part of this that the Warrior made a huge change. This was the first time he truly wanted somebody, and while he's in his right mind and sober. How do we know that? He beat up tbe guards that tried to assault him.
IN SUMMARY I like this story in relation to this author's series as a whole. It's a far reach from normal, typical green flag stories, but for its breed, it's somewhat good.
Jeez Ash I mean I've heard of couples goinf at it for more than 3 days in other manhwas but this guy is really relentless. Props to Lyle
Next thing you know he's gonna shove a sword hilt up there. Wei Wuxian's done it once. Somebody's gotta do it again.
Just a beginning note: I'm not attacking anyone so don't be offended. I'm making a statement and a rant. You all are entitled to disagree with me, but I hope you understand where I'm getting at.
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I'm not justifying him for what he's done, but I'm tired of "oh just leave him" or "he's such an ass". Like, I get it. I hate him too. But it kind of makes the characters seem one-dimensional. How can you read an entire manhwa up to this point and not think about the nuance Mingwa is putting into these characters? It's honestly annoying. There's two sides to it too, which makes it worse. There's the Jaekyung worshippers and there's the Jaekyung purgers.
I have not heard from a single fan here about the story itself. Do you guys realize how hard it is for Kim Dan to leave this guy? First off, he has feelings for Jaekyung. I know for a fact that *some* of you in this comment section have fallen in love with some toxic person and couldn't get out or refuse to see the truth. Secondly, it's his job. Do any of you remember how Kim Dan is stuck in this job because he was fucked over in the beginning? People are going to use him and abuse him WAY more than Jaekyung is right now. Thirdly, I know that Kim Dan is a meek guy. He doesn't stand up for himself, but what can he do in this situation? He's emotionally drained, overworked, and worried about a billion things. He can't just walk out like you guys say he should.
As for Jaekyung as well. You can see that he's frustrated. You guys are denying him as a person. You forget that he's aggrivated because being in a tie basically means that the people who are trying to harm him are *winning.* It's not about just Jaekyung winning, but it's also about the fact that these corrupt ass people are going to abuse other MMA players. Jaekyung in my eyes is a symbol for resistance. He's resisting corruption by proving to these people that no matter how hard they try, they can't get him out of the ring. Because if they do, they could control bids and manipulate MMA players, undermining their skill and turning MMA players into pawns for money and gain.
And to my point, I'm utterly frustrated at these people for not realizing this. We're at the climax of the story. You can see that in Mingwa's season end note and you all refuse to see the story as a story. Just think about it a little more, will you?
Honestly, I see your point but I feel like mingwa didn't do a good job in showing all those in the story, hence making it seem like the characters are very one dimensional and shallow. That's why it's kinda hard to infer all of that at first glance. Basically, I mostly have beef with mingwa's character writing and storytelling lol
Let's go! I've been waiting and looking high and low for someone to reiterate more than I could! Darn it!
Seriously.. Everyone thinks BL has this one standard, not just BL actually, every single plot, probably. Yow, if it's only the temper side of Jaekyung and emotionally wrecked Dan you get out of this story, then it's such a shame cause Mingwa has written such dynamic characters in a not so typical setting in BL. As he/she always did!
Opposite to the majority here, I'm actually excited to see what the next chapter will unfold. May those manipulating bastard of a cheaters get what they deserve! Ugh!
This is a genuine question because I like the thought you put into your character analysis, so pls don’t take this as a jab
How would you speak to their development though (whether together or individually)? Weekly updates can make it hard to keep up with the bigger picture, but I feel like we haven’t seen much (if any, but pls correct me if wrong) growth. As you mentioned, Dan has always been used and abused and that hasn’t changed in the slightest. To me he’s neither grown nor receded, as if he’s stuck in limbo. Arguably, he has the potential to change, but for the story to be this far in and he’s neither better or worse really diminishes the quality of the pacing imo. Jk has at least budged *somewhat* I’ll give him that, as I feel like he’s starting to second guess/question things regarding Dan instead of bulldozing everyone with no regard. But it’s a little exasperating to be this far with so little to show for it. The story can’t go on forever, so I’m worried whatever development they have will be poorly rushed:/
SORRY FOR RAMBLING, I’m just really curious haha
Preach girly
I get that! I'm actually just a big nerd, that's why I think more deeply about the story. I see a lot of texts (outside of comics) that need me to really think about them to get the message. You're absolutely valid for just reading the story as-is. I get the frustration with Jaekyung lol
Same here. I also hope Jaekyung gets not a redemption but some kind of explanation. I'd perfer if he expresses his humanity than suddenly turn into a green flag, you know? It'll male more sense that way :D
Same I prefer a slow progression rather than a rushed one because I rather experience the change the characters are going through rather than just being told directly that "oh they've changed now" yk
I wanna see them experiencing the conflict with themselves on-screen rather than off-screen. It makes the story more interesting and the readers more immersed.
Also, I feel like jjk has like little to absolutely no monologues so it's kinda hard having to guess his intentions all the time. And that's where we feel detached from the character and it's harder to understand their actions... Or maybe it's just bad writing idk
I'm so glad you challenged my stance, I appreciate you for taking the time to comment! ^^ From how I see it, I like to take a look at the individual scenes and compare them. I like to look at development not as whether they've improved, but rather how they've become complex. As you've said, weekly updates make it difficult to gouge character development and I understand where you're coming from. Here's something I learned outside of reading comics. There was a post somewhere, probably on reddit, that said that if you wear a shirt with a certain color and change it slightly by one shade every single day for a year, you'll appear as though you haven't changed your shirt at all. But if you compare a shirt from the beginning of the year to the end of the year, you'll see that the colors are completely different. That's how I personally view this situation.
I also totally get your concern. I was rereading BJ Alex the other day and the character development felt a little forced lol. From my gilded vision, I genuinely hope that Mingwa gets to express their characters smoothly and with good pacing. If I'm disappointed, it'll be my fault. Nonetheless, my rant was just me hoping that people think about the story in a more nuanced way than just "oh he's hot" or "just leave him" you know? You questioning things and my stance especially means you aren't included in my primary audience. I thank you for that :D
I actually like not knowing Jaekyung's thoughts. It's the essense of a limited pov that makes it interesting and open for speculation. But of course we have different opinions on the matter and I respect that.
Haha thanks for taking time to respond! I LOVE convos like these but rarely indulge on this site. Truthfully, I find myself more often frustrated with this story, but similar to you, I want to know WHY jk is the way he is.
I love your angle on the complexity of the characters. Dan has the odds stacked against him more than ever (gma’s worsening illness, confusing feelings for an abuser, and now his reputation/job on the line). I just hope we get to see him do something about literally anything. I don’t care if it’s good or bad I honestly try to avoid stories with “weak” characters like Dan because even tho I know why they’re like that it still drives me crazy LOL I just keep my frustrations to myself mostly and cross my fingers. Too many stories on here lately have been so quickly and insufficieny “resolved” so I’ve been on edge
True! I don't really get this hype over redemption arc or something every time.. Like there is a certain plot that will require that, but I don't see that here being necessary.. Unfortunately, you cannot discard the fact that each profile has their own character. And that makes them who they are. Whether or not there was a trigger to how they transformed into their present selves, that, we should let the authors cook the unveiling. Cause that's what's makes it a story. That is when a momentum will build up. And actually, this latest chapter is already a proof of that.
Also, if we are talking about suddenly becoming a green flag, Jaekyung has already some bits of it too. Let's not diminish that all because, well of course valid, how he treats his sxmates.
I can remember a few, like among all seme, green or red, he's the only one who has charity program. Has all the money but continues to use that rugged keychain. Took the effort to investigate Dan's situation and find out about his grandma, even got the patience to entertain her.. I mean you know, he's not good but he's not worst. There's innate character in that man and obviously Dan and the other coaches can see it. It's no wonder Dan is trusting and loyal to him.
Nah, there's some deep underlying there. And I see him introvert, I think? For all introverts, I don't mean to offend.. I can actually relate to some scenarios with him cause I'm Ambi.. So sometimes I'm like that too. Blunt when required and necessary..
I genuinely wish Mingwa won't read any comments so as to not affect her pacing. It's going so well in my pov..
(Srs) Do you think it was rushed? Following a trend? Or maybe it’s her writing style? I wouldn’t think it’s her writing style considering how (personally), I wouldn’t completely say better, BJ Alex’s characters were. However- with how the story has been progressing and how quickly the chapters are being pushed, I’m assuming it’s because it’s being rushed. Not any hate on my girly- I just think that we need another season for girly pop to find her balance again
Wait, I got a question. You said that the story is already very far in. But to me- maybe it’s because I left the story for a year and came back(reread everything in 2 days) and am now following it normally- it feels like we are still in the first or second arc (like not much has really happened in story progression) or maybe that’s exactly what you mean? Like- it’s already been 1-2 years that the story has been going on for, and nothing really feels like it’s progressing.
I meant chapter-wise, not necessarily story progression-wise! That’s kind of the frustrating thing about weekly updates is that it takes a year to get around 50 chapters. My complaint with the story is I feel like 50 chapters is MORE than enough time for at least a few things to happen, but it feels like we’ve barely gotten anywhere within the plot and I feel like there’s so many things we still have to learn (like about Jk). So we basically agree haha! I was concerned about the pacing because if it keeps progressing as it is now, we would have to be here for another 100 chapters LOL (I’m mostly being dramatic). But too many times stories try to wrap up all the issues rather quickly without much sense, so I’m hoping that doesn’t happen here
Ah yeah then we both agree- tbh- I was kinda disappointed that after 1-2 years of me leaving- we only had gotten to the part a couple chapters before the “rival” (pretty golden boy )- like- I really wanna like this series- but the only thing that is really keeping me reading is the fact that the art is so godly or rivals other mangas/manwhas I’m into… but if you have any recommendations please share!! And don’t let my name fool you- I’m still reading this sin /j
Title's longer than reincarnation manhwas